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No, it’s not regardless of ervah status; it’s ervah status is lower than others, and therefore is not always considered ervah for all purposes. The chiyuv to cover hair is most definitely based on ervah.
Does a lack of planning on your part (in getting where you need to be in order to daven on time) permit you to violate dina d’malchusa dina?
Are you so certain that it’s a violaton of dina d’malchusa dina??
I guess if you have $250 to burn if you get a ticket, that’s your choice, but that’s a lot of money that would be better put toward tsedakah.
People waste $250 on much worse things than catching a minyan.
Finally, how would you feel if you had a valid health issue, NEEDED to use a handicapped spot, but they were all taken by people who “just needed to run in for five minutes” and then got distracted and ended up shmoozing, keeping you from getting the medication you NEED for Shabbos?
We can play the “how would you feel if…” game with just about anything. We could also play out worst case scenarios to exaggerate our point. I’ll give it a try:
How would you feel if you were in aveilus for your father, l”a, and hadn’t missed a kaddish all year. You gave yourself an extra ten minutes to arrive early, despite the fact that you were busy taking three elderly people to their doctor, and then to the pharmacy for their medication which they NEED for Shabbos, but got caught in traffic, and arrived with only two minutes to spare. There are seventeen handicapped spots available, but no regular spots.
So, how would you feel?
To be clear, I’m not in favor of taking handicapped spots, but I am in favor of reason.
So I take it that until all the chilonim become frum and share in the spiritual burden, the chareidim can stay in the beis midrash.
Benignuman,
His statement that it’s not ervah when people don’t cover it is said concerninmg krias Sh’ma, not issur.
Yes. Maybe he really meant she has wonderful middos and Torah values (Toirah iz di beste sechoirah).
The story doesn’t say why he wanted to stop the shidduch; maybe he wanted a girl with a p.h.d. (papa has dough) and found out that the father is poor.
But obviously, it’s horrible advice to tell someone to marry an incompatible wife for her salary.
Baloney or pastrami. Whatever you want.
There are a couple of age appropriate books about upsherin. I think the one by Yaffa Gottlieb was nice.
Oomis, of course you’re correct, even if it were otherwise frum women.
Benignuman, the gemara in Berachos lists hair as an “ervah”, but it’s more kal than other things considered ervah. Also see Igros Moshe O.C. 1, 42, where he clearly considers uncovered arms assur even if most frum women dress that way.
Benignuman,
I’m probably misunderstanding you again, so I’ll tell you what it seems to me that you’re saying, and you’ll please correct me.
You seem to be saying that the halachos of tznius follow the standard of the day, and therefore, it is muttar for women to dress the way we find most people in society dressing. According to this, it’s okay to wear shorts, and worse, which I will not detail.
I doubt you mean this, so please explain.
They depend on the norms l’chumra, not l’kula, except, according to some, with hair.
Now that you mention it, in the address bar you can clearly see the original title.
Benignuman,
A woman has to cover her hair in public even if that public consists entirely of other women, and even if she lives in a society where it is the norm to walk around with uncovered hair.
Any normally covered part needs to be covered, even in the exclusive company of women. I know of no way in which covering hair is more chamur than the areas that need to be covered even before marriage.
My knowledge of how frum women conduct themselves at pools comes entirely from reports from my wife.
I wasn’t c”v insinuating otherwise.
I can try to find one, but it should be a simple kal v’chomer, since other parts, even for married women, are still more chamur than hair – it is muttar meikar hadin to have hair uncovered in the home, but not other, normally covered, parts.
I don’t know how women conduct themselves at the pool, but even if you’re correct, and even if it’s not a mistake, it could simply be because there’s no need for the hair to be uncovered; in fact bathing caps are usually required.
The guy in the shaila definitely is a drinker.
Who changed the title and OP? LOL – it makes ybrooklynteacher’s post incorrect.
Actually, the bathhouse is much more kal regarding tznius requirements.
You started by asking “If I drink…”, now you’re saying that a pig is drinking it. There is a way of making this not a stirah, and based on the fact that you block people’s driveways and break their windows, it’s not such a dochek.
Any time a mod edits a post, you will see a message in bold.
Why can’t a mod just write his own post?
Because it’s easier this way.
ZABACHUR,
No one decides which yeshiva to attend in an online forum.
WIY,
You mean a room which is for people who claim to be kids.
You can’t have him towed unless he was first ticketed. No legal tow truck will take the vehicle.
Mdd, I’m not sure how the source makes a difference. A member of a community which keeps this minhag is compelled to keep it either way (it’s not a minhag b’taos), and if this is not your minhag, you don’t need to keep it, since it’s not halachah p’sukah. The source of the minhag would seem to be academic.
Even if it weren’t, it could still be a completely honest error.
Drink the coffee.
OOM, you read Mishpacha this week?
Ah… so this is an old machlokes.
It’s probably assur to fast past chatzos, but you could get around that by taking a drink. Why don’t you just eat healthy?
Popa, I don’t agree, but even l’shitoscha, people who live near shuls or k’domeh would be constantly blocked, for a few minutes at a time.
Golfer, also, I’ve always heard it called Vaad Arba Haaratzos, not Kehillos.
Has anybody seen it or heard of it as Vaad Arba Kehillos?
Popa, WIY was talking about when someone was already parked in their driveway and you blocked their car.
I think at least 200,000 were from one poster (different screen names).
Yes, very clever.
Please document your claim, otherwise I will consider it manipulatively false.
Even if untrue (I have no idea), why does it have to be “manipulatively false”? Why can’t it be an honest mistake?
I think Ateret Torah has a girls’ school on Coney.
…Google “Bet Yakov Ateret Torah High School”. You’ll find the address is:
2166 Coney Island Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11223
I’ll send boro park mensch after it with his two truck.
You probably only need one truck.
(I didn’t want to be a kafui tov for the “Ivor’s” correction.)
Lakewhut, So if somebody breaks the rules he won’t get a kollel check? Makes sense.
There. Fixed.
Benignuman,
Sorry, I misunderstood you.
Daniela, that’s a machlokes.
Popa, I was going with VM’s ukimta.
You’re asking if we’re choshesh l’chumrah that maybe it’s cow’s milk. But then. mah nafshach, it’s only one issur.
Benignuman,
Because you can’t accept the possibility that it is legitimate perspective tothink the “share the burden issue” has underlying ulterior motives, without calling it paranoia.
Basar b’chalav is only with a beheimah tehorah.
You would agree, though, that parking in front of a fire hydrant would potentially be a chillul Hashem, right?
Did you really regret marrying your wife?
He surely didn’t mean that; there difference between an infatuated couple that is dating or engaged and a couple married for years.
Even those in favor of genetic testing to prevent incompatible marriages don’t advocate married couples getting divorced based on testing.
Mdd,
I never said I don’t understand their taanos.
Benignuman, that’s one of the most closed-minded comments I’ve seen.
VM,
I don’t know that there’s a whole lot of lomdus here; I think it’s as simple as saying that an issur d’rabbonon can’t be chal on an issur d’oraiso.
If you hold c”s is assur, you become karov l’meizid; if you hold it’s muttar, it’s probably an oneis.
long-dormant goal of eliminating the Yeshiva World
Why do you think it’s long dormant? Have they become tzaddikim? Or they see an opportunity?
Because Chaza”l describe the sinah which anti haaretz have towards talmidei chachomim as a very powerful one (I would bite him like a donkey).
We’ve seen throughout our history how this has played out, certainly in the medina.
If the equity which they claim to be seeking were sought after in other areas, we might be tempted to wonder which motivation were stronger. That not being the case, however, it’s quite obvious which is the motivation and which is the excuse.
Q:Daas Yochid why after this thread lay lost and forgotten for a whole year did you feel the need to bump coffee addicts request to close this thread???
A: Lol 🙂
I’m feeling sorry for the OP. This was supposed to be a thread for votes. Not discussion. Most of you apparently did not bother reading her post.
Perhaps before we address the issue of how, and in what language, posters should be allowed to WRITE their posts, we should encourage the good members of the CR to READ.
Was that a yes or a no?
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