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September 11, 2012 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm in reply to: Did Neil Armstrong really land on the moon?? #896858gavra_at_workParticipant
hang on, did bin laden really die?
how about saddam hussein?
Bin Laden was a member of the Bilderberg Group, and was eliminated by the order of the Illuminati.
Saddam is alive. They killed his clone, and he himself was ables to escape & is now a member of the Blue Man Group (ever wonder why they are blue)?
gavra_at_workParticipantgavra_at_work: don’t you mean live and let die? (That seems so familiar for some reason….)
Dr., No.
gavra_at_workParticipantIf they were behind the mechitza and participating by asking questions, I certainly would have left.
What if they would have texted their questions on a Kosher phone? How about a non-Kosher phone?
Just trying to get to the bottom of this 🙂
September 11, 2012 5:15 pm at 5:15 pm in reply to: Did Neil Armstrong really land on the moon?? #896850gavra_at_workParticipantIts those FreeMasons again!
gavra_at_workParticipantPBA: Had the girls been behind a mechitza, would you have left?
September 11, 2012 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm in reply to: Circumstantial Evidence and Science in Jewish Law #896389gavra_at_workParticipantProof can always be used, and actual Eidus is never required, even by Gittin (according to many Rishonim & the SA). Can you be more specific?
September 10, 2012 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm in reply to: Men's Wearhouse. Shatnez labels to avoid? #896168gavra_at_workParticipantYou can tell that it is Slichos week. Sorry.
September 10, 2012 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm in reply to: Men's Wearhouse. Shatnez labels to avoid? #896167gavra_at_workParticipantIf the label says Shatnez, avoid it.
gavra_at_workParticipantWOW = World of Warcraft? Is it a computer game or a board/card game?
That is the first result from Google.
gavra_at_workParticipantIt is a minhag thing. Some do it and some don’t. It probably depended on which town in Europe the person who was in charge of the section was from.
Live & let live (in D’var Reshus).
gavra_at_workParticipantIf it was a vacation/trip, you would make it work. Think of the lost sleep as a Korban. I have the same problem, and am trying to motivate myself as well.
September 7, 2012 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm in reply to: Judy Brown, Author of "Hush", Declares herself an Atheist #895679gavra_at_workParticipantThat is what happens when you are tought that the sun is not a star.
There is no room for Sheker in Hashem’s Torah.
gavra_at_workParticipantFalse.
Some believe because they know nothing else, and are purposly kept ignorant. Nothing to do with having “an enriching life”.
September 7, 2012 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm in reply to: Rav Aharon Leib Shteinman tells Yidden to shun secular education #895829gavra_at_workParticipantRav Lazer Yudel Finkel is known for pointing this out. When asked why the Americans learn as well if not better than the Israelis once they get to Bais Medrash, he responded that the Israelis never played when they were young, so they make it up when they get older. The Americans played when they were younger, so they are refreshed and able to learn when they are older.
I believe it was Rav Nossan Tzvi. Sorry about that.
gavra_at_workParticipantThank you for closing the “What’s your proof?” thread.
gavra_at_workParticipantIt’s NOT JUST FROM THE TORAH that I know this.
Since the Mods refuse to close the thread….
I assume that you have an additional primary source of Matan Torah (other than the Torah itself)? Please share it with the rest of us.
I was going to say more, but will try not to do so (for now).
Interestingly, a major proof against the “600,000 people saw it” proof is the revisionist history movements of the 20th & 21st centuries (such as Stalinism, 1984, and the Charaidi community). Statements like “everyone in Europe was learned and wore black hats/straimels” prove how history can be twisted by an elite.
gavra_at_workParticipantThe conversation:
Sam: But reason A, B, C!
Iced: You Kofer!
Sam: But what about the Svaros?
Iced: You Kofer!
Not much of a conversation.
September 7, 2012 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm in reply to: Rav Aharon Leib Shteinman tells Yidden to shun secular education #895827gavra_at_workParticipantvochindik/Joseph:
So you will be willing to do IVF, and not care about the conception of the child in the womb? That is the Teshuvah of Rav Moshe there, and he slams the Chassidim who say “conception is holy” and do not allow IVF. This is because Rav Moshe based his P’sak on Halacha, not “ideas” or “traditions” like the Chassidim do (with their furry hats becoming Kadosh).
P.S. I don’t mean any disrespect to Chassidim. I try to be live & let live when it comes to Divrei Reshus (such as wearing a furry hat or a Burka), but I am trying to prove a point.
September 7, 2012 12:43 pm at 12:43 pm in reply to: Rav Aharon Leib Shteinman tells Yidden to shun secular education #895826gavra_at_workParticipantI will not dispute Rav Shteinman. Secular education includes alot of anti-Jewish ideas (ie in science, psychology etc). Yes, our kids should learn Torah. However, many kids are coming out of the hareidi system HATING to learn, bc they are studying and studying and studying long hours instead of being children. At least the secular system knows how much learning a child can tolerate, and when it’s just too much..
Rav Lazer Yudel Finkel is known for pointing this out. When asked why the Americans learn as well if not better than the Israelis once they get to Bais Medrash, he responded that the Israelis never played when they were young, so they make it up when they get older. The Americans played when they were younger, so they are refreshed and able to learn when they are older.
gavra_at_workParticipantI’ll agree with Sam here. Those who have proof, great. I will not be the path for those who have proof to lose their emunah, since all proofs can be disproven.
Mods, I ask that you close the thread.
gavra_at_workParticipantI second Wolf.
September 6, 2012 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm in reply to: Rav Aharon Leib Shteinman tells Yidden to shun secular education #895810gavra_at_workParticipantYes. It doesn’t mean that they can’t each hold differently. The whole shita of Chassidus & Tznius is based off a Machlokes Amoraim (and maybe even Tannaim IIRC) regarding the floorplan of the Bais Hamikdash. Just because it is old doesn’t mean we can’t still argue about it.
gavra_at_workParticipantIf I had proof, then I would be a Malach. Fortunately, there is no proof.
September 5, 2012 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm in reply to: Rav Aharon Leib Shteinman tells Yidden to shun secular education #895784gavra_at_workParticipantIced please inform where in the gemara you find trigenometry and calculus?
Easy. Kesubos 93a. See below (mods please allow the link).
http://www.ma.huji.ac.il/~raumann/pdf/Man%20with%20Three%20Wives.pdf
September 5, 2012 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm in reply to: The Torah's View of the Husband / Wife Relationship #895004gavra_at_workParticipantOne could say there are many shades of grey in a relationship. Sometimes the grey is more black, towards being dominant/tyrannical. Other times, it is more white, towards making the deciding choice after all input is had. Just because someone is in a grey area does not make him/her abusive.
To explain, there is a grey line between the husband being the king and being abusive, just like a king can become a tyrant. Having the final say does not mean that one side will not convince the decider what the proper the direction is. Communication is key.
As Chazal say: “Zoche Nasis Ozer, Lo Zacah, Nasis K’Negdo”. If one is Zoche & wise, their wife becomes their support. If not, she becomes an adversary. A supportive relationship is not abusive.
gavra_at_workParticipantI don’t see Rabbi Frankfurter’s comment to imply that Chareidim intend to democratically (or otherwise) attempt to come to majority political power in the State of Israel. He seems to be speaking theoretically, not something he believe will happen in actuality.
Yup. I have a bridge to sell you.
September 5, 2012 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm in reply to: Rav Aharon Leib Shteinman tells Yidden to shun secular education #895782gavra_at_workParticipantYou have to excuse Shein, he has never heard of Rav Nehurai.
Rav Shteinman did, and was quoting him.
Lo Am HaAretz Chassid.
gavra_at_workParticipantHe was “Poretz Geder” and that makes him Passul. The fact that he had an IPhone is not the issue.
September 5, 2012 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm in reply to: Rav Aharon Leib Shteinman to shun secular education #894961gavra_at_workParticipantYou have to excuse Shein, he has never heard of Rav Nehurai.
Lo Am HaAretz Chassid.
gavra_at_workParticipantMalachim technically also have free will however it is almost as if they dont because they are in the presence of Hashem so it makes it EXTREMELY DIFFICULT almost impossible to rebel when Hashem is in your face so to speak.
Correct. See BB 74B (which I have brought here before).
gavra_at_workParticipantLike!
gavra_at_workParticipantnishtdayngesheft: Back seat drivers don’t have the right. Only front seat drivers do. However, some of those who could be front seat drivers are turned off by lack of transparancy.
I think we agree.
gavra_at_workParticipantGAW
You have to face the reality of the situation, You can either live in a fantasy world, or you can accept reality.
Do you really think no matter how many times it says dont boot kid, that a Satmar Gvier would give to a Zionistic MO school or Vice Versa
I seriously believe that if the parents were Nisbayish to the point where others knew that people were collecting Tzedaka for them, then we would have significantly fewer non-payers. So did Chazal.
And yes, I do believe that the Satmer (or other Chassidish) will pay for the MO, and vice versa. I have seen it with my own eyes. It does mean though that you need to have tolerance and compromise, which is non-existant in most communities, especially in-town. Out of town, where it is stick together or have nothing, there is more tolerance for other types of frum Yidden.
gavra_at_workParticipantThe Gemara says that the Satan acted twice L’shem Shamayim. Don’t overdo his Tzidkus. Do you really think the sinking off the whole Malchus Yisroel and its demise was Lishem Shamayim?
Weather you accept that Terutz from the Satmar Rav zt”l or not, don’t mock his words as a Shita of Avoda Zara.
1: You must have a different Gemorah then I do. See BB 16a & Keddushin 81a/b. And yes, that is his job. Without it, there would be no purpose in living.
2: I don’t mock Rav Yoel Satmer Rov. He is not the one who said Satan has his own powers. If he did, then yes I do hold him accountable and it is Avodah Zara. Zaken Mammrei is or could have been the Gadol Hador.
gavra_at_workParticipantZD: There is Halacha and Chazal regarding what should be done. Pashtus if a parent refuses to pay, the school should start a specific collection for the child, announcing that the parent refuses to take care of his child and the yeshiva is collecting for him/her so that he/she can go to yeshiva & stay out of public school. IIRC, it is Offen a Gemorah Kesubos that I have posted here before (maybe 49b?).
gavra_at_workParticipantHowever, one of the curses of our generation is that nonpayment of tuition often results with the child being refused admission and left either home and rejected or roaming the streets and rejected.
And whoever does this is a Shofech Damim. I suggest whomever lives in such a community where the Rabbonim allow such a thing and where those who do it are lauded should leave, as obviously that community cares more about its Gashmius than its children.
Come to think of it, I don’t believe you. I can’t believe that any Jew would be so cruel. I’m not calling you a Shakran, but you must have misheard.
gavra_at_workParticipantSchools should do this. Parents who cry and bla bla bla… if thats the schools policy and you don’t like it send ur kid elsewhere – they wont do that coz usually there’s not too many options with frum schools… after 15 years of this being implemented PROBLEM SOLVED!! they’ll carry on surviving the same way they have been for the past 50 years for 15 years only and slowly it will improve as they keep getting paid back!
Except that:
1: There is no way to enforce it. It has been tried (such as second mortgages, legal documents, etc.) and end story, no yeshiva will remove someone from their home due to nonpayment.
2: Costs never really go down, because life support for your son in law is more expensive than tuition.
gavra_at_workParticipantnishtdayngesheft: Those who do pick up the shortfall SHOULD make those decisions. It is their money.
gavra_at_workParticipantLittle and Gavra, this comment is for you. I asked a local administrator what would realistically happen if the pipe dream of vouchers were to come true. The answer? Tuition would rise by the amount of the vouchers. Are you folks hearing this??? I thought I would puke.
I’ve heard the same. However, at least with vouchers there would be some sort of responsibility to the government, and to actually teach something.
gavra_at_workParticipantDid hashgacha pratis end in 1948? If the State of Israel exists, it’s obviously only because of the Retzon HaBorei
Did hashgacha pratis end in 70 CE? If the Eretz Yisroel was destroyed, it’s obviously only because of the Retzon HaBorei.
Did hashgacha pratis end in 1939? If the holocaust happened, it’s obviously only because of the Retzon HaBorei.
They all are/were Ratzon HaBorei. So?
gavra_at_workParticipantMy point is that to dismiss the creation of the State of Israel as a “Ma’ase Satan”, especially when there were clear miricles involved in its creation, is to deny the role of HKB”H in running the world.
It also is pure Avodah Zara. Satan has no independent power in Judaism. If you believe in “Ma’ase Satan”, then you are a Catholic.
gavra_at_workParticipantTalmud Torah Kneged Kulum. Even though a woman shoudn’t be working, if it is to enable full time Limud Torah by her husband it is more than worth it.
Don’t steal my answer! I said it first.
gavra_at_workParticipant“What a terrible thing to say! Someone might think it actually says this. “
It doesn’t?
gavra_at_workParticipantWhy would learning in Kollel be a “worthy tradeoff” to allow her to work if it is detrimental to her children, and forces her to compromise on tzniyus?
Talmud Torah K’Neged Kulam. Don’t you know the Gemorah that says a woman should sell herself in the Shuk so that her husband can learn Torah?
(I couldn’t find it either, but it seems to exist. Puk chazi mai amah devar).
gavra_at_workParticipantWait!!! I have it!!! Let’s just get Bill Gates to give billions of dollars to the yeshivos!!!
Why stop at Bill Gates when you can go to the printer itself?
Oh, that is what they call “vouchers”.
gavra_at_workParticipantThat’s unfortunate gavra at work, is it that askanim need to see the books(no trust?) or that the mosod is hiding something?
That’s a big issue with todays mosods. NO TRUST. All parents think that their tuition money goes in someones pocket for their car lease and not back into the building?
How did this happen? Maybe that’s why there IS tuition crisis!!
We all need to trust each other with nothing to hide.
Un Resolved?
gavra_at_workParticipantIdeally, one should marry at 18.
Ideally, one should not take money for learning.
Ideally, one should pay full tuition.
Ideally…..
gavra_at_workParticipantIf I repeat things three or four times, maybe someone will listen?
“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”
Albert Einstein
gavra_at_workParticipantThen the askonim would be able to see the yeshiva’s books. It will never happen.
gavra_at_workParticipantWith no disrespect to Rav Yoel Satmer Rov, he had nothing to do with it.
The Amish on one side and those like Arnold Rothstein & Meyer Lansky on the other did more for the inability/distaste for people to beat Jews for their clothing, at least in the Northeastern states. But watch out once you cross the Mason Dixon line (excluding NYC south known as Florida), as Sam said.
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