gavra_at_work

gavra_at_work – Your are correct that Children can tell a lie from a mile away. That does not cause OTD. Something happened to the kid for this to happen.

I’m not saying that it did. I have no idea what happened. I do know that if the children see the parents only following the Torah outside the home for others to see, then they will have no reason to follow it both inside & outside.

No normal kid goes OTD.

Sheker or Scotsman, I’m not sure which. Yes there is a “reason”, but it could be as simple as the Rebbe telling the Bochur that “if you can’t learn Gemorah, you will be nothing”, and the child is broken, because it is hard. That is not an “abnormal” child (perhaps an abnormal Rebbe). It may be someone figuring out that the outside world DOES have what to offer (after being told from age 2 that they are all insects who are Mezaneh all day). That is not “abnormal”. I could go on and on.

HaKatan:

Don’t you really mean the Illuminati and the Freemasons, not the Rothschilds & the Elders of Zion?

Maybe the Zionists are really aliens from another Galaxy who need our world to power their spaceship back to Zorg?

Perhaps the Zionists are conspiring with the Iranians to wipe out the “real Torah Jews”?

Or maybe it is just the opposite, and the Charaidi Jews are conspiring with the Iranians, together with the Men in Black, the Blue Man Group and the Green Lantern to wipe out the Zionists?

I’m so confused.

no, its not. The reason why there’s no capital punishment is because it’s a sofic chi. not because it’s mutter!

Really. I thought it was because that is what the Torah says to do.

“Is there not some hypochrisy here? “

No, unless you also believe that payment to the father of the fetus is sufficent. even in the case of Anusha or Ervah.

Silly, as both last year and this it was Rav Elyashiv. Next year it will be Rav Shteinman.

Of course, that doesn’t sell papers.

My point wasn’t to Pasken or to say these Gedolim are wrong, but to point out that there is a strong religious reason for those from the Frum community who don’t want to join up

This sentence is self contradictory. That is OK, though, as I believe my point has been made.

If someone *truly* has the talent to be the gadol hador, no rosh kollel, in his right mind, would turn him away.

I hope you are right. It certainly doesn’t work that way with star Rabbaim, where “tenure” (not real, but who will fire a so-so Rebbe?) does not allow new blood (who would be better for the children) to enter.

avhaben: Thank you for your knee jerk non-answer. I guess you really don’t know.

Health: Your response is a much better one. I don’t have an answer for you and wish that women were not in combat in the IDF. However, since Rav Aharon Lichtenstein & Rav Aharon Shteinman (both Gedolei HaDor) agree that there is room to serve in the IDF, I can not fathom how it would be “breaking Halacha”. I assume they have answers, even if I don’t.

Most kollellim have entrance standards. They do NOT take anyone who walks in off the street and announces he wants to sit and learn. This is because there are only so many potential kollel positions available. You cannot expand kollel indefinitely simply because at some point, we can no longer financially support them.

This is not the case in Israel, or Lakewood. It is true in Out of Town communities.

In addition, your rejoinder about Minor League ball doesn’t really stand up either. Minor League Baseball doesn’t turn away those who don’t have a prayer of being a Derek Jeter either. The minor leagues are filled with players who have no chance to play at the major league level, let alone be a superstar. True, you have to have a certain level of talent, but you certainly don’t have to have the potential to be a superstar.

Yes, but you have to be able to be a Minor Leaguer. You can’t play on the level of a high schooler and expect to last.

Lastly, you missed what was perhaps the most important point — it takes more than talent to be the top at any field, be it baseball or learning or just about anything else. It takes drive, determination, effort, perseverance and a genuine love and desire to do whatever it you’re doing. Most people don’t suddenly wake up one morning with those qualities — they’re largely innate qualities that one often has or does not have. To be the “next Rav Pam” you have to have those qualities — and someone who has those qualities is *already* learning and striving toward the goal. He’s not a computer programmer or lawyer or accountant looking to quit his job. Someone who has that rare combination of qualities could probably do nothing else but learn.

I agree fully, and that was my point. We don’t “cut” (to use a baseball term) anyone who doesn’t have “drive, determination, effort, perseverance and a genuine love and desire” to learn and tell them to go work. If we did, then we could reduce the number of slots needed and do better work with what remained. Instead, we allow them to linger, taking up the spot of the next Rav Pam. Therefore, we have to expand the Kollel and not miss out on “the next Rav Pam”.

A haven that frum jews all over the world are petrified of being citizens of, or their kids being citizens of, because they will be forced into an army which tries to force them to break halacha.

Whose Halacha? The Hesder Yeshivos seem to have no problem with the army.

Yes, the Museum (to use the term of Rav Aryeh Levin) of Charadim will not survive the army, and neither will those who expected to live in a museum/ghetto. Your “American” friends just don’t want to be Dati Leumi or Chardal, and feel the need to identify with the Charaidim. As such, they can not join the army. (Or, they are simply scared).

WM: Your comparison does not stand for the following reason:

In Minor League baseball, only the cream get in. Those who have shown no aptitude for baseball do not get up and decide “I’ll start now”, and get a contract. Furthermore, if you don’t make it to the minors (e.g., you are mediocre in college), you have to get a job doing something else, thereby reducing the number of required spots.

Both of these are not true in learning. If someone decides in Bais Medrish of Kollel that they want to learn, they are given the option to do so. Furthermore, those who have no chance of “becoming the next Rav Pam” are not told to get a job, but are allowed to remain in kollel, expanding the number of positions needed.

“You really believe the “type of feelings (arousal) it will cause” are different in different communities? “

In case my response is blocked, yes. That is why Minhag Hamakom is applied in clothing standards in Halacha.

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If in fact you are identifying his contituency as Chardal or moderate frum and being aligned with Amsalem and to the exclusion of regular frum why would people tout that he has smicha from a Frum institution? He has thus clearly divorced his hashkafah from the haskofos of that institution.

I know personally dozens of graduates of Ner Yisroel who identify hashkafically in way similar to R’ Lipman, and who are part and parcel of the yeshivish community.

That is because the Ner Yisroel community is nothing like the Charaidi Bais Shemesh community. In fact, most Ner Yisroel Bochrim & grads would not be allowed to live in the Charaidi communities there, and would be tossed out by force if they somehow managed to get in.

Would the Chofetz Chaim zt”l wear a “Straimel”? so why do you?? don’t try to be a diffrent type of jew but rather a smaller version of the better jews thats “masai yagiu maasai lemase avosai abraham….”

Would Ezra Hasofer zt”l wear a “Borsalino”? so why do you?? don’t try to be a diffrent type of jew but rather a smaller version of the better jews thats “masai yagiu maasai lemase avosai abraham….”

I think I will use a handkerchief, like some women put on their heads when they light candles. Rav Kehana was known for wearing one, so at least I know that I am good there.

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Joseph:

Better to be quiet and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.

You have removed all doubt (not as if we had any doubt before, but just in case we did).

Ayin SA OHC Siman 90.

I am confused, I thought there was a shidduch crisis, young people on the street in full view of the community should not politely greet each other with a ” Good Shabbos”? In Mea Shearim, or Gateshead probably not, but most other places why not?

It may lead to mixed dancing.

Or worse, cutting out Yenta the Matchmaker. How could we be so cruel to destroy the parnassh of a fellow yid?

Members of the Religious Society of Friends.

ZD:

Had someone else taken a picture with them holding a smartphone and sent it in to their children’s school (or if the picture was casually seen by the Hanhala), they would have to look for a new school.

Can you blame them for being careful?

Actually, Torah must be learned with “Eima, Yirah, Reses & Zeyah” which translates as “awe, fear, trembling and sweat”.

This would automaticly exclude women.

Women don’t sweat, they glow

(Google it, it has been shown to be true scientificly :-).

Live and let live = Eilu V’eilu + no Bais Din, so we aren’t killing anyone, even Toi. (whom I hear why someone might want to, but still we hold back. The Government does not see it the same way, and Kanoim Pogim Bo doesn’t apply where the Malchus would (rightfully) kill you back. Hence Let Live & Live.)

OC, Health – Baruch T’hiye.

Pretty chauvinistic to decide if she has time she shouldn’t use it for her brain, but rather help someone with their housework.

The Torah is “chauvinistic”. This idea of housework over mitzvos is the very reason why women are Patur from Mitzvos Aseh Shehazman Grama. Ask not on the post, but on G-d Himself.

Gavra: “Twisted”? It it the human nature of men to notice when a woman is dressed as such. It isn’t twisted. Hence women’s obligation not to dress as such.

Only if they are dressed “as such”. As the old (untrue) statement goes:

“Just because I am dressed like a Wh-re (Zona), doesn’t mean you can treat me as one”. It just isn’t true, not in the Jewish, work or outside world.

However, there is a chasm of difference between dressing like a Zona and “obligated to be dressed tzniusdic so as not to cause men to stumble as far as hirhurim( and histaklus) are concerned”. One can dress “normal” and still not make the Meah Shearim/Beitar crowd happy, and even cause hirhurim by many men if they see her. Such a woman is not Mechuyav to dress in a Burka or Goth so that men won’t look at her as a woman (as opposed to a Goth).

Al pi halacha (not just hashkafa), a woman is prohibited to dress in a manner that will cause Hirhurim.

1: That is different than what MDD said. I could probably source that.

2: Source in Halacha?