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MP: We ARE providing a (proper) education in Klal Yisroel. Our wonderful mechanchm working hard together with parents are providing a wonderful education, based on the Torah hashkofos espoused by the gedolim shlit”a, to our tinokos sheel beis raban.
AND IT IS WORKING!!
Yet, we still need additional tools to complement that. One of those tools are filters.
BS”D
WADR, I don’t think that is the case, especially in these inyonim.
The Gedolim educated their children about growing up (Hamavin Yovin). I remember a story of a Gadol (Don’t remember who) teaching their child at 13 about the various changes that are going on in his body, how his Yetzer Hara newly affects him more, and the best ways to deal with it. Most importantly, about the fight and how to win the war even if a battle is lost, and don’t expect to always win every battle.
The parents of our children are avoiding these hard issues, either due to their own squeamishness, them thinking that discussing it is Assur, their own ignorance, or some other reason. The bochrim are therefore not prepared for life (the “how to fight” aspect). This can be done in a Toirahdik Oifen, if we had hadracha on how it should be done.
Personally, I believe a filter is useless, unless it is a whitelist, ISP based, like YeshivaNet, plus a Wi-Fi/3G blocker. A monitoring service is better, but will not help if a child wants to see. Your child can go to the corner store & buy a prepaid cell phone and download anything they want, and you will never know, no matter what solution you buy.
My Posek didn’t Assur the internet. I think that’s reason enough.
This. Furthermore, I wouldn’t consider any P’sak of Eretz Yisroel or Chassidim binding EVER.
Besides, having a hetter for Parnassa is serving the almighty Dollar instead of the Ribbono Shel Olam. Afar L’Pumech of those who say the internet is assur, but muttar for parnassah. Working on shabbos is assur, but mutter for parnassah as well.
I use unfiltered telephone (I hang up anything I don’t want to hear) and unfilterd mail service (I throw stuff straight into the wastepaper basket if I dont’ want to read it). We deal with unfiltered books (we don’t look at “inappropriate one”). We try to deal with unfiltered people (anyone have any success not hearing Loshon Hora?).
But if there was filtered telephone, mail, etc. I would sign up. So would others.
It depends on who you think runs the world. If the world is run by chance, then the cheaters seem to come out ahead. If Ribbono shel olam runs the world, you should just do the honest thing and let Him worry about the heshbonos & justice for the cheaters.
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BS”D
I don’t like the question.
Every activity has a Torahdik way of doing it, and a non-Torahdik way.
Baseball can be played like the boys in Yeshiva Darchei Torah and the famous “shaya” story, or it can be played like a vilde Chaya.
Every action that a person does can be learned from, and be used to become closer to Hashem.
One does not become a Ba’al Middos by locking themselves up in a room and not knowing what a basketball is, but by saying “hike” to the American who asks for a Brocha to make a special connection (like Rav Sheinburg ZTL), or letting the special needs child hit a home run.
far east
Because it’s Poe.
GAW – I don’t think I disagree with you, but please don’t put R’ H. Shechter in the same category as those other *#&!* you mentioned. Don’t call him a Gadol (whatever that is), but that was a bit much.
OK, so who decides what? Why is R’ Norman (the Rosh HaYeshiva of YU/RIETS) any different than R’ Elya (the former Rosh Hayeshiva of Philly) any different than R’ Avi Wiess (The Rosh HaYeshiva of YCT)? Is it the hat size? Club size (Hamavin Yovin)? What?
Poe.
BTGuy: Why can’t you not “know”, but still remain/join for the social aspect?
What happens if a BT likes the social aspect, but doesn’t get the restrictions? The same question for a non BT?
Logician: Is that any different than when ANYONE uses the term “Gadol”?
What kiruv? These guys are often born frum.
Why be Jewish? If the reason is Chulent, then they are doing right. If the reason is Hashem, then they aren’t. Kiruv tries to get you to do the second by pulling you in with the first.
Being socially Jewish allows you to take the Geshmak parts and leave the difficult ones.
Yes YU has gedolim Rav Herschel Schechter being one of them. Regardless of your opinion on MO, YU in fact does have some gedolim
Sure. Next thing you will tell me is that R’ Avi Weiss is a “gadol” too. How about R’ Boteach? What about R’ Stormin Norman?
End story, none of them hang their hats on themselves, they use Rabbi Soloveitchik as a crutch for their Crum MO “kulahs”, that are really just a search for an excuse to do whatever they want. Yes, there is a Rishon for that too!
Poe.
You don’t appreciate the kedusha and tehara of the Gerrer Chassidim
Boruch Hashem. Me and the Steipler, it’s good company to keep.
Better than having the Commendant keeping me “company”. ;-(
Give me a break. MO do not follow their own “gedolim” either. It is a basic tenet of current MO philosophy that rabbis have no reason to follow other rabbis who know more torah than they do.
YU has Gedolim? YU has the Rav like Lubavitch has the Rebbe.
Poe.
i mean is’nt that the point of the CR, to be a place where anything can be discussed freely and with respect.
Obviously not.
The purpose is to pay homage to the Gedolim, and let all know that the only way to Olam Haba is to follow the Gedolim (specificly my Gadol, not yours. Certainly not the MO YU “professors”).
extra ecclesiam nulla salus
Hopefully they will have a better showing than the Mets, who can’t seem to get anyone to show up.
They get the whole kiruv thing, but don’t take the hook.
Your complaints are like asking a fish why it didn’t take the hook, but did take the bait.
When in doubt, get a prenuptial.
I would be concerned enough to mention it outright.
This addresses your question as well. If a woman learns torah, she will not become closer to Hashem through it. If she says she is, you know that it is not Hashem she is becoming closer to.
You have just refuted the entire concept of Da’as Torah. Mazel Tov.
GAW – I don’t know if you’re being serious, but I like your solution.
Thanks. I am serious.
<troll>The Gedolim have Assered such devices. Any tefila will C”V go to the Koach of the SA, C”V!!!!
BURNING YOUR DEVICE RIGHT AWAY IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN REVERSE THE DAMAGE!!!!!!! </troll>
Mods the language being used here isnt fit for the teens and children that we are told time and again use this site. please mod the comments or delete the thread.
I happen to agree.
That being said, since it is not being deleted, I have a point to make to Shalom bBrooklyn:
If the government was so gung-ho about the problem, they should provide the material(s) themselves, like they do with other materials of a similar use (made of latex). Pres. Obama is attempting to force a religous entity to go against their creed by including such items in what they must purchase. Where does it end? Forcing Yeshivos to hire missionary teachers? This is why we have a First amendment, to protect religious entities from government coercion.
I agree with Logician. Just because it is Kosher, doesn’t mean someone else will eat it.
Ittisa and I had a real fight over this one. We came up with a modest solution.
Rabbonim who we give do not get anything homebaked.
Anyone else who gets must be someone who would be willing to eat in our home. If not, they don’t get any Mishloach Manos. That way, we don’t worry that they aren’t enjoying Ittisa’s (and a Mashehu of my (I did shlep the flour)) hard work. 🙂
It is a great idea.
Not for married women, but for singles. It potentially is a gamechanger (much more than NASI). If I was a Rov, I would encourage girls back from seminary to join.
As in Angel?
Why would anyone want to do that? Why would a Frum paper have such a thing?
In fact very often even secular education of chasidishe yeshivos /schools surpass those of the public school system.
Whoopie! !@#$%^& unions are in charge of public schools.
As a side point, the 3800 doesn’t include all of the voucher monies gotten from the city/state for “After school care” which goes straight to tuition. That is why there was such an uproar when Bloomberg wanted to cut Priority 7 vouchers, all the “low tuition” schools are living off of it. That’s not even bringing in the schools that have official “CONTRACTED CHILD CARE” from the city, but (I imagine) always seem to be full when someone outside wants to join.
Should time be spent in Chosen and Kallah classes about what it means to be married, form a partnership and how to cope with stress, finances etc.?
No. All it will do is prevent shidduchim and make bochrim leave Kollel, or even worse, prepare for the possibility.
As an FYI, that is talking about Mishloach Manos, but the issues with Kinyanim are the same.
Why can’t he use Eved Cannani? There should be no requirement to be Zoche to someone else.
sushe:
Assuming that her husband doesn’t want to give for her? A mishna in Nedarim:
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Is there any resentment by those in the 125 -150 range that those in the 70 – 85 range are effectively in the same financial/class as themselves?
Echad HaMarbe, V’Echad Ha’Maamit, U’Bilvad She’Yichaven Libo L’Shomayim.
There certainly is resentment towards those who are not “Yichaven Libo” and cheat around the system. But someone who tries their hardest and still needs the help? I haven’t seen it. Hashem gives, and if He decides to give more or less, it is the same.
What about a minhag shtus such as g’brochs or not eating in the succah shmini atzeres? Or when the reason for the minhag no longer exists? Well you’ve got numerous g’dolim and poskim who will permit you to change; find one.
Being Machmir on Pesach by definition is not Minhag Shtus, even if the Chumra is Shtus. I believe it is a Noda B’Yehuda.
Not eating in the Succah on Shmini atzeres is a Minhag Shtus, but being that the Hagaos Maymoni (quoted by the MA & Taz) tries to defend it, we shouldn’t go there.
Depends which yeshiva. Mind telling us? It may be perfectly normal and expected, like Hamodia censoring the concept of women driving autos.
Gavra, does the husband have to give in addition to his own to be yotzei her, or is she yotzei with the same mataznos the husband is yotzei himself with?
AYLOR.
IMHO, a minimum of 4 perutos should be given (as per Popa’s MB).
mitzva she’zman grama doesn’t apply to Purim at all.
Her husband can give for her, and she will be Yotze via the din of Eved Canaani and/or Zachin.
Cherrybim, you are so wrong! The Beis HaMikdash did have a mechitza — during Simchas Beis HaShoeva when many women came. That mechitza is the mekor for having a mechitza in shuls or at simchos (even if women do not dance).
As I’ve said before, this is the Machlokes whether a mechitza is required in this day as well. It is a Machlokes Rishonim. Rashi in Succah and the Rambam in Yad hold there was no physical Mechitza, just a separation. Rambam in POerush Hamishna is Mashma there was a physical blockage.
Later day Poskim (such as the Satmer Rov, I believe) say that even though there was no mechitza in the Bais Hamikdash, we need it due to Niskatnu Hadoros.
TT: You’re welcome.
For those of you asking about whether she is spending a few extra dollars because of a water bill, STOP.
I don’t see anyone doing that. Suggestions on how to squeeze out a few extra bucks are always needed.
BTW, mortgage payments ARE a form of savings, but only for the very long term, like a a 401K, and more volatile.
As far as the question, IMHO, it depends on how much cash (as in green pictures of dead presidents & Mr. you can access when needed. Do you have a HELOC? Access to a Gemach? Open Credit? Any of these things make having reserve cash for a crisis less of a requirement, as you can “raise” cash easily via debit.
As a side point, anyone know who will be speaking? Sitting at the Dais? Etc.?
No, we didn’t install water-saving things. Whom do I call, the water biller?
Google “water saving shower heads”
What does it mean, “a valid Shitta”?
i see no reason why the women need to go.
I see no reason why the men need to go. 🙂
gavra: Water price has risen quite a bit in NY over the past two years. The amount I gave was what I allotted for this year (not what we spent last year) as the city anticipates further increase in price due to overhaul of old water systems, and I wanted to be sure we were covered.
Still sounds too high, but you would know better than me.
Have you tried installing water saving faucets, showerheads, etc?
gavra: Any bottled water we buy is included in groceries. Or are you suggesting life insurance instead of showers and clean clothes?
Your water BILL is $1500 a year?! Did you check for a leak? That really is way too high, even for Brooklyn (I would think).
tomim tihye: Drop the water and buy term life insurance!
Previous events didn’t have a mechitza because the weakness of the tzibur made it necessary to accept bedi’eved loopholes and exceptions. It is good news that we are coming back to ourselves. This quarter million dollars is definitely going where it’s needed.
If you check who is new on the Dais this time around, you will know who are real Gedolim (the new guys) and the fakers (the ones who were there last time, when the flesh was weak).
Special Yarmulkas for Curling?
From Wikipedia:
“Curling is a sport in which players slide stones across a sheet of ice towards a target area. It is related to bowls, boule and shuffleboard.”
I just came up with the solution. If can get every frum man to apply for a marriage license with another man (mutatis mutandis for women), we will overwhelm their system and they’ll be forced to accomodate us! There is no way they can find a place for all those licenses so they’ll be forced to can the whole thing.
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I don’t think anyone believes that as a solution anymore.
What can be done is have a guy (or girl) “marry” a sibling for the tax benefits. There is no way SCOTUS will call any such law against non discriminatory.
soliek: I am in awe.
TCG – PBA responded to your question to me quite well. I will add that polygamy is less problematic than toeiva marriage, and has been practiced for thousands of years (as well as being legal m’ikur hadin.)
Agreed. I’ll just say that the government should not be able to tell any two consenting adults what they can or can not do behind closed doors. If the government feels the need to certify that relationship (for some strange reason), they should do so for everyone.