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@commonseychel,
You are saying that it is a torah hashkafa to not thank a president or person that helped you and deserve thanks because they are not “good” ?
And Trump is the only president to be “good”?
And thanks can only come in a public letter signed by gedolim ?@commonsaychel, That is exactly what I meant. I am not sure how it was misinterpreted.
I meant that it is not a torahdige hashkafa to say that ,” thank you letters to presidents from the gedolei hador are RESERVED FOR GOOD PRESIDENTS.”A Pashute Yid,
“obama did not get one thank you letters to presidents from the gedolei hador are reserved for good presidents.”That is not my understanding of the shita of the gedolim on writing thank you letters. It also does not sound like the Torah’s hashkafa.
Health,
Trump has the exact opposite of a defeatist attitude. That is why he is still trying with the 2 joker’s who are not practicing law – Giuliani and Jenna Ellis. They are practicing public relations and idol worship to DJT.
The president of the US , who is a personal billionaire , and just raised 200 million dollars ,has the choice of the best lawyers that Harvard and Yale Law ever produced.
None of them will go near this case with a 10 foot pole because his case is a complete embarrassment. Similar to his whole 4 years.Please tell us which case that you personally brought to the Supreme Court.
I would really like to know.Even Trump himself admitted on Sunday that his case will probably not make it to the Supreme Court.
“Well, the problem is, it’s hard to get into the Supreme Court,” Trump said on Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures,” after host Maria Bartiromo asked him when he expected his challenges to make it to the justices.
“I’ve got the best Supreme Court advocates, lawyers, that want to argue the case, if it gets there. They said, ‘It’s very hard to get a case up there,’” Trump added. “Can you imagine, Donald Trump, president of the United States, files a case, and I probably can’t get a case.”
Trump said that his cases, which legal experts have described as far-fetched, should make it to the high court, but did not predict that they would. ”
It is only possible in Trump’s America that 70,000,000 people believe that the only way that they can win the presidency is to lose all the cases in every single lower court and in every single state whether they had Republican Governors or not, but still win in SCOTUS because Trump appointed 2 judges.
It is bizarre. I listened to Mark Levin and that is exactly what he believes and what he tells his listeners.
Coffee,
Looting too. The point was that toavos are not the only cause of destruction of society.
They all should have arichus yamim vshanim.
Yamim al yemay melech tosif
Charlie Hall,
As a follow up to “FDR didn’t close the borders. A Republican Congress and President had done so in 1924. ” Any alien who at any time after entering the United States is found to have been at the time of entry not entitled under this Act to enter the United States, or to have remained therein for
a longer time than permitted under this Act or regulations made thereunder, shall be taken into
custody and deported…” , I heard from an Adam Gadol ( who was quoting another Adam Gadol) that the 1929 Stock market crash was a punishment from Shomayim for the way America started to turn it’s back on refugees and immigrants.Just ponder that, when the right claims that all the liberal toavos are the exclusive reasons for Hashem’s anger but then they couldn’t care less about refugees or immigrants.
The dor hamabul’s fate was sealed because of gezel. Also called white collar crime. Insider trading , , borrowing and not repaying etc …..
TOVP,
Your question was are anti-trumpers actual liberals? You are asking in a jewish frum coffee room, so I assume that you mean to ask the jewish frum members of the CR.
If you would only have asked economic issues , I could understand.
But you asked if we believe that all whites are automatically inherently racist or all policemen bigoted.
Those are not real questions. They are shtuchs. Because some far left liberals and POC proclaim to believe them does not make the beliefs less asinine.
And, yes I am a social conservative like everyone who tries to keep the Torah way of life. Helping other people, and certainly the unfortunate, is part of the Torah way of life.Frum anti-trumpers are in the minority and have been libeled , marginalized, discounted, and trashed by the frum media for the past 4 years. As if we all are neturei karta’niks or not even frum because we are anti-trump even after moving the embassy to Jerusalem or after Rubashkin’s sentence was commuted.
One of the best summaries I have heard about the (former) republican party (now called Trumpism party ) is that Mitt Romney and John McCain were the leading representatives of republican ideas 4 years ago and now they are despised in the republican party and they did not even change a single view.Jewish frum never trumpers did not all of a sudden become liberal’s over the past 4 years.
Similarly, just because a frum jew supports trump does not lessen his belief in chayim aruchim and וכן בשביל כל פיקוח נפש, ואפילו ספק פיקוח נפש מצוה לחלל עליו את השבת, ולעשות בשבילו כל איסורי דאורייתא, שאין לך דבר שעומד בפני פיקוח נפש, כי לא נתנה התורה אלא למען החיים שנאמר אשר יעשה אותם האדם וחי בהםI am sorry for my uncalled for question. I ask that you mochel me.
PS. There is a bigger discussion and maybe you can start a post and that is how did 80% of the americans who voted for trump (56,000,000 people) decide – only after trump lost and called the election unfair – that it must be that the democrat’s stole the election via massive fraud (that cannot be proven! ) ?
If Trump would have acted like all other president’s and conceded would you still believe the narishkeit?TOVP,
Your question was are anti-trumpers actual liberals? You are asking in a jewish frum coffee room, so I assume that you mean to ask the jewish frum members of the CR.
If you would only have asked economic issues , I could understand.
But you asked if we believe that all whites are automatically inherently racist or all policemen bigoted.
Those are not real questions. They are shtuchs. Because some far left liberals and POC proclaim to believe them does not make the beliefs less asinine.
And, yes I am a social conservative like everyone who tries to keep the Torah way of life. Helping other people, and certainly the unfortunate, is part of the Torah way of life.Frum anti-trumpers are in the minority and have been libeled , marginalized, discounted, and trashed by the frum media for the past 4 years. As if we all are neturei karta’niks or not even frum because we are anti-trump even after moving the embassy to Jerusalem or after Rubashkin’s sentence was commuted.
One of the best summaries I have heard about the (former) republican party (now called Trumpism party ) is that Mitt Romney and John McCain were the leading representatives of republican ideas 4 years ago and now they are despised in the republican party and they did not even change a single view.Jewish frum never trumpers did not all of a sudden become liberal’s over the past 4 years.
Similarly, just because a frum jew supports trump does not lessen his belief in chayim aruchim and וכן בשביל כל פיקוח נפש, ואפילו ספק פיקוח נפש מצוה לחלל עליו את השבת, ולעשות בשבילו כל איסורי דאורייתא, שאין לך דבר שעומד בפני פיקוח נפש, כי לא נתנה התורה אלא למען החיים שנאמר אשר יעשה אותם האדם וחי בהםI am sorry for my uncalled for question. I ask that you mochel me.
PS. There is a bigger discussion and maybe you can start a post and that is how did 80% of the americans who voted for trump (56,000,000 people) decide – only after trump lost and called the election unfair – that it must be that the democrat’s stole the election via massive fraud (that cannot be proven! ) ?
If Trump would have acted like all other president’s and conceded would you still believe the narishkeit?Free collage for all? No.
More taxes and regulations? More taxes for the rich who trump gave a tax break to. Regulations based on safety not on money.
Open borders? legal immigration
everyone white automatically inherently racist? no.
All policemen bigoted? no. only those who kill unarmed black people not threatening them
Pro abortion? no frum jew is pro abortion. the debate is whether abortion should be legal
Anti 2a? anti a fascist president who wants to stay president by disenfranchising 80,000,000 americans who voted him out.
Iran nuclear deal? whatever keeps the israel, american and the world safeDo the pro trumpers really not care that 265,000 americans died from covid? a disgrace.
tvop,
Can you please read it and post some of the info ? I really want to hear the claims.
The Georgia SOS Brad Raffensberger who is a Republican has confirmed that there was no fraud in the Georgia voting. Trump Lost because more people voted for Biden. Based on that , I believe that everything in that lawsuit is worthless.After you read the lawsuit, you can also, read the REPORT OF THE 116-XX SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE UNITED STATES SENATE ON RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURE’S CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 U.S. ELECTION written by the Republican Senate which concludes that Russia helped Trump win the 2016 election. Trump and Fox news lied for 4 years that it was all a Democrat hoax.
The trump cult is so sure of itself that they claim that the massive fraud was so perfect that it was done in a way that could never be proven. That is exactly what someone who knows there was no fraud but wants to allege it anyway would say. These people would buy the Brooklyn Bridge if trump told them it was for sale.
This is a refuah after the makka.(and after the refuah)
Brooklyn and Queens were already allowed full capacity.SCOTUS did NOT say that Cuomo cannot limit the amount of people attending religious services.
He definitely can when there is a pandemic.
He just needs to write the EO differently.A win nevertheless.
Rational jew,
Is the counting of ballots done by one person in a basement ?
The potential for fraud on a massive scale beggars belief.
That some people couldn’t see the counting is meaningless.
The election system in each state is a very public event with many layers of management and accountability.The Democrat’s wouldn’t mind a recount in any state.Count as much as you want until you are sure that you counted correctly.
What Americans cannot stand is throwing out valid votes because you don’t like the results.
Or undermining the whole system based on stupid conspiracy theories.Health,
On Jan 20th, in Washington, is Joseph Biden’s inauguration as POTUS.
You can watch it on Fox,AON or newsmax.Trump will be golfing and spending all the money his supporters sent him the past 2 weeks.
I have suspicions that Melania will be meeting with her lawyer.Rudy Guliani has a terrible record when it comes to accusations that are actually true against Biden.
1) He went to the Ukraine with the sole purpose of finding dirt on Biden , even going to the lengths of extorting Ukraine for evidence against Biden, and came back empty handed.
2) He says that he has a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden with evidence of illegal and improper activities. That was a swing and a miss number two for him. .
3) He has gone to court 31 times against Biden winning the presidency and lost 30 out of 31. That is strike three and he is OUT.He spends a 90 minute news conference trying to prove to America that even after 2 weeks from the election and 30 losses in court, he still has the ability to prove that Trump won without showing a single piece of proof.
Claims, allegations and conspiracy theories are not proof.
Jenna Ellis, a legal adviser for the campaign, said at the press conference that the group was laying out an “introductory statement” with more to come, and called the team an “elite strike force.”
They have nothing!
Charlie,
Today, Guliani and his cabal made it sound like that they have all the time in the world to prove their BS to the courts and America is stuck without a president elect until they finish.
Guliani also said that since they have so many affidavits they have to be taken seriously.Can the democrat’s hire a team of lawyers to get affidavit’s from the 2016 election showing the massive amounts of voter fraud that the republicans committed ? There are no time limits. They can simply walk into court with affidavits.
Overturning the 2016 election would be the perfect ending to 4 years of trump.Besalel,
To expand a little on what you posted and the predicament that the US finds itself in.
This is not only a political divide.
There are Americans who minimize Covid-19 as a major killer that demands precautions be taken. ( I am not referring to the debate on the proper precautions/shutdowns.)
They do not trust the facts and numbers of deaths that are reported.
Some of them even got sick and died because of carelessness.Many Americans get their news and opinion exclusively from media that they are comfortable with and when that media makes them uncomfortable, they just move on to the next.
There is no resolution to this issue when all news that people disagree with is Fake.
It has become that there is no truth or reality. Everything can be called a conspiracy.Can 73,000,000 people make peace with the fact the Biden won when Trump never concedes and says that the election was stolen? Answer: No.
Could they make peace if Trump admits that Biden won fairly? Answer: Still no. Because OAN and Newsmax will never admit to it.Mrs. Syag,
Biden could be president for the next 4 years and in 2024 you will still believe that he has a mental issue. Nothing will shake you from this. When facts fly in the face of your preconceived notions, you have to reverse course.
Trump also lost the narrative of the elections being fraudulent by firing the head of the DHS Cyber and Infrastructure Security Agency who debunked all of Trump’s claims.
He also lost Michigan’s Wayne County when the republican’s on the election board certified the results for Biden.
The only thing trump won yesterday was his golf game.
By refusing to concede and allow an orderly transition he is endangering the security and safety of all Americans. That is the nature of a cult leader and not a president of the USA. The GOP allowing him to get away with this hoax shows us that they care about party over country.
Trump gets blamed only for the advancements in Nuclear capabilities that Iran has gotten in the last 4 years. Those are all on him.
Syag,
Your response to my comment is about the number 24 hours ? Wow.
commonseychel,
Are you working for the person who was simply appointed as senator from Georgia ? The one who is currently the wealthiest senator? The one who is being investigated for insider trading ? The one who is pals with the new QAnon representative in congress Marjorie Taylor Greene ?
Looks like it.You have selectively edited and taken out of context speeches and letters from Warnock.
This is the dirty politics that Loeffler is engaged in as she follows her hero Trump.
He lost and so will she.Warnock is not an Anti-Semite and has not made any anti-Semitic statements.
His support for Jews and Israel is unequivocal. He opposes BDS.He has been a friend to Atlanta’s Jewish community throughout his tenure at the Ebenezer Baptist Church and a regular speaker and visitor to Atlanta’s synagogues.
He stands with the Jewish community, Jewish values, and stands with Israel.
I hope he wins.
CommonSeychel,
You give Trump too much credit for losing. Whatever he did, it was not enough and he lost.
Biden won despite the fact of what Trump did.By the way, Trump is the master of lumping groups of people together.
Mexicans, Muslims, Immigrants, Blacks, Women, Blue States, Pocahantas, etc….
Or as president elect who is 24 hours a day in front of TV cameras and surrounded by secret service and reporters, it is clear that his mental acuity is 100%
KGN,
It is bizarre that you still believe that there is an issue with the Biden mental state.
Even Fox news has given up on that tactic.TGIShabbos,
I admit that Trump has given Israel a lot of victories that they have not gotten in the last 5 administrations.
A solution to the Iranian and Palestinian issues, however, were not one of them.Ben levi
The left is not afraid of transparency.
I would love a recount to show Trump that he lost twice.
If you are keeping track he had lost over 10 lawsuits and won one.
As any lawyer knows, Trump cannot waltz into a judge with affidavits and get what he wants. There are two sides and the other one vociferously disagrees with the Trump side.
They also have witnesses and affidavits refuting every claim of Trump’s.There is so much fear mongering going on right now from the Trump supporters even before Biden is sworn in and develops his cabinet and administration.
I am not surprised, but I am saddened that they will not even give him a chance.
Ben Levi,
Trump supporters are constantly caught in a trap of a slippery slope. This might be why Trump lost the electoral college (and the popular vote again )because Americans realize that it never stops at stage 1.
Trump is starting with “suing to determine that accurate legal results ” and when that fails spectacularly, they will move to stage 2 which is that the state laws established were illegal and then stage 3 , stage 4 …. until they end up with simply a slogan that BIDEN STOLE THE ELECTION.
Trump needs to be stopped at the first stage and told that he lost the election and his term is up on Jan 20, 2021.
If Trump wants to trash elections and democracy let him move to Russia with his friend Putin.This way we cut out the 4th stage, which many red hatters believe already based solely on the fact that Trump lost. (Just read the title of this post).
I will be saving this thread so when the Jewish Republicans on TYW claim that they accepted the results of the elections and that they were never planning on impeaching Biden when they get the chance that claim would be totally false.
I disagree with every single doomsday and worst case scenario.
It didn’t happen under Obama and will not happen under Biden.Israel going to war with Iran ?
Iran theoretically dropping a bomb on Israel ?
Your hatred for the democrat’s has influenced your way of thinking rationally. Almost like there is a BDS syndrome. Almost as if you are rooting for the worst case scenario.
What’s to gain?
Hashem made Biden the president.Do we still believe that Hashem runs the world?
I repeat, pray hard and try to be mekarev Biden.
Was Obama just elected President or Biden ?
If my memory still works, 2008 – 2016 Obama was the President and not Biden.Trump was in office for the past 4 years and the world and the Middle East changed in these years.
No prognostications can be based on what Obama did.
Do Jewish Trump supporters want Biden to throw Israel under the bus or should they pray and work that he helps Israel? They should start doing hishtadlus and the first thing is to be mekarev Biden and not call him names or projecting what he will do.
I will be so happy after Jan 20, 2021 when I don’t have to read anything else in the CR or YWN about President Trump and we can discuss President Biden.
Trump will completely lose his false image of being a winner and he will have no power left.
Anyone who does not realize that this is what is going to happen is divorced from reality because they listen to and read too much fake news.
CS,
If you have ever listened to Harav Avigdor Miller zt”l, (Passed away 20 years ago) you will know that the frum oilam was always told to vote Republican.
This is not a chidush. There was no change in thinking.The chidush is the excitement and unprecedented enthusiasm.
CS,
It is also still popular in the frum communities and media to believe that Trump will be taking the oath of office on January 20, 2021.
If that turns out to be true, I will believe the reasons you sited for the enthusiasm.
It that turns out to be false, then your reasons are not the real reasons and you will need to come up with a new reason which might surprise you. (and ujm)
Tsc,
I will repeat. The AP called the election in 2016 at 2:22AM
Was Trump’s nomination official yet? No.
What about in 2012 or 2008 or 2004? No,no,no.When the votes are counted , the winner is projected and IT IS OVER. That is the way the system works.
Trump is clearly a loser and a very sorry one.
He will stop at nothing to burn down America. Even in his last 2 months.
Stop treating him like a baby with hurt feelings.He has zero chances of overturning the will of 75,000,000 voters.
The AP is the gold standard when it comes to presidential elections. They have been doing them for over a 100 years.
They predicted that Trump won at 2:22 AM Wednesday morning in 2016 when it was a major surprise for him to win.
Trump had no problem declaring victory immediately.He is just a sore loser. Especially, since he knows the personal and financial ramifications that this will have for him.
In short, he is not going to retire into the sunset like all ex-presidents.Ujm,
Yawn.
Trump lost fair and square. It was a landslide. With all these statements and lawsuits he is sealing his legacy as the worst president.
I already have my inauguration day planned for the absolutely largest crowd ever, with masks and social distancing of course, in Washington.Ujm,
You have no proof for any of this.
Accusing the other party of what you are guilty of was always Trump’s modus operandi.
The 75,000,000 Americans who voted for Biden will not let the Trump’s steal the election.
The more you show your true anti-america colors, the worse history will record 45ths time in office.
Maybe you can call for another civil war.Ujm,
You are correct. I mean how many republican legislatures from states that believe in US democracy will change their electors to Biden.
The truth is. Your whole plan will never happen. Mark Levin should apologize and retire for this stupidity.Did you count the Democratic legislatures that will reward trumps electors to Biden before posting this ?
Trump has ZERO power right now. He is a lame embarrassed duck.Here we have the President of the US showing off his great patriotism and sterling character.
The Trump campaign released a statement Thursday, saying:
“IF YOU COUNT THE LEGAL VOTES, I EASILY WIN THE ELECTION! IF YOU COUNT THE ILLEGAL AND LATE VOTES, THEY CAN STEAL THE ELECTION FROM US!”
This tweet is all you need to know about the character of right wing radio talk show hosts.
Mark Levin:
REMINDER TO THE REPUBLICAN STATE LEGISLATURES, YOU HAVE THE FINAL SAY OVER THE CHOOSING OF ELECTORS, NOT ANY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, SECRETARY OF STATE, GOVERNOR, OR EVEN COURT. YOU HAVE THE FINAL SAY — ARTICLE II OF THE FED CONSTITUTION. SO, GET READY TO DO YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY
12:43 PM · Nov 5, 2020·Twitter for AndroidShows a great deal about their totally fake patriotism and fake belief in democracy.
Health,
I 100% agree with you that democracy is a two edged sword and that the people in this country are becoming more immoral.
democracy is not the ideal when morality and religion are supposed to be the guiding lights of the society which is one nation under G-d. Because it ends with “liberty and justice for ALL.”Health,
All the examples that you and I gave were not true or false opposites. They were tremendously far-fetched generalizations.
Trump was found worthy of being impeached by the House and many of his band of thieves were indicted and sent to jail. Some he pardoned, because he is the law and order president. (Sarcasm)
Their are many prosecutors that are waiting for him to leave office to indict him. This is not a secret. Biden was never impeached or indicted.
By the way, Hillary is still waiting in her mansion to go to jail. Obama also.
Vote Trump if you want take healthcare away from pregnant woman and their babies.
Vote Trump if you think cops should wantonly kill innocent people.
Vote Trump if you are a millionaire and want to pay less Taxes .
Vote Trump if you want s 1,000 Americans to continue dying per day from covid.
Vote Trump if you Hate all human beings born in Gaza and the West Bank.
Vote Trump if you Love Immorality.
Vote Trump if you want to fool people into spending billions on a wall and mexico will pay for it.
Vote Trump if you do not care about the Federal Budget or Deficit.
Vote Trump if you don’t want him going to jail.