mmmm thats not all you said… and “polish” is definitely not apikorsus. be careful when you use that term and as SIDI said bring a source.

Unfortunately for the Yetzer Hara is what you mean, right?

RSRH, I appreciate your point about not having things done for us but why do we say 3 times every single day Ki Lishuascha Kivinu Kal Hayom if we don’t hope he’ll come right away, and what about the Maamar Razal in Sanhedrin “Zachu Achishena…”? What is this “other” approach?

You sound like one thirsty fellow. That’s probably why it’s hard for you to relate to it. But the fact is, when you are not thirsty you don’t enjoy water, as opposed to anything else you would eat or drink, which has a taste even when you’re not hungry or thirsty.

It was bound to happen anyways considering Israel’s stance on security, its just an advanced realization of that potential. There is relatively no danger if Israel just changes its stance to a no tolerance policy. But its getting late before we’ll have to rely on miracles again.

love you anyways

I get that there are alot of harmonious marriages between one and the other, but might you agree that BTs and FFBs are often (not always) very different from each other and relate better with someone from a common background (probably more by FFBs who are less adaptable)? Maybe this is partly what it is and is often misinterpreted as a rejection when the Baal Tshuva is also at fault for having an inferiority complex and thinks that the Tachlis is ‘acceptance’ by FFBs, which is demonstrated absolutely by marrying into Frum families (and also hypocritically shun BTs while doing so) and that a rejection is a rejection of them when it’s really (also) a rejection of their silliness? It may be a whole vicious cycle and I’m sure FFBs are at fault for exploiting that weakness with a lack of sensitivity and acceptance and just by being inconsiderate (and who knows maybe there’s just some truth in the discrimination, but not because of lack of merits or character…)… whatever. Rant. Love you BTs.

Csar, what happened to al tadin es chavercha ad shetagia limkomo?

“An apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.” It’s definitely at best a generality, but it might have some validity. Unfortunately for some, its easier to jump to conclusions than to make an informed inquiry to test it. Either way its not a good basis for being judgmental.

Till Alos Hashachar.

Pomegranates from different places have different numbers of seeds. But some goy did a count over a large variety and large amount of pomegranates and the average was 613! If you see there if you count the 1000 seed pomegranates you can throw the average off balance but its still very interesting that when he stopped counting that was the number. Said he would but hasn’t updated since that count. Don’t know if that’s what was meant by the elusive makor. Search “613 seeds” fifth entry.

Sam they never denied the literal interpretation. I know that because they kept Shabbos.

Zalmon and thinkingverydeeply, this obviously was not an opinion unique to the Niturei Karta.

Here are some sources (note 58) for the fact that Leasid Lavo the Halacha will be like Beis Shamai and a discussion about the reason for it:

http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=16067&st=&pgnum=121

Fried and MBD

Sam2- whats wrong with this thread?

This is not much of a “sign” but it is somewhat conncected to the topic, so I’ll mention it: If someone says this Sela I’m giving to Tzdakah so that my son lives or so that I get Olam Haba, he’s a Tzaddik Gammur (Pesachim 8a). Tosfos explains that as long as he won’t regret it if it doesn’t come to pass, this statement applies.

So sometimes you can “test” Hashem, but at the same time it might not come to pass.

The original question seems to be talking about something else though.

We really don’t need any more reminders that wer’e in Golus, Chas Vshalom! If you say something like that you are really steeped in it, by thinking that something like this is Geuladik!

The Lubavitcher Rebbe was of the opinion that you can use either Havarah, just not in the same davening.

http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14942&st=&pgnum=474

That’s not how a normal Yid approaches a subject. You don’t just call out thousands of Yidden because of some supposed svoro that you came up with, you ask a question and hopefully some of those very learned “oy” pronouncers who undoubtedly know more than you will answer. disgusting.

…unless its against other Yidden. Or it can end up by other Yidden if you don’t put your foot down. Maybe also if the man is deranged. Or if you’ll get beaten up.

what’s wrong with a zoo?! You can make the special brocho Mishane Habriyos and contemplate Niflaos Haborey!!

It seems from Chovas Halvavos Shar Habitachon, Ikrim and Yalkut Shimoni 473 that Bitachon is number 1, but only if it is strong enough. The help from Hashem is actually a reward for his strengthening his bitachon (not if that is why he strengthens his bitachon). This of course is in addition to number 2 which applies to someone who hasnt reached this level of bitachon, in which case he may know that he is not neccessarily deserving of hashems help (but hashem might do so anyways). In addition, his punishment was not only a “preventative measure” but also a cleansing for his soul emenating from Hashem’s kindness so that he can reattain and attain higher spiritual heights while alive and in Gan Eden. Also punishments in this world are lighter than in Gehinnom again from Hashem’s compassion. But again notwithstanding this if he strengthens his bitachon in hashem that hashem “will” save him (and for example is completely at peace, and doesn’t worry at all) then #1 applies to him still.

That makes no sense. Out with it.

Shu”t Tzafnas Paneach Chelek 1 S 14: “The remedies mentioned in the Gemara (though nowadays not applicable) are a part of the Torah Shebal peh.”

As opposed to his medical books (you could read them in the bathroom), the specific instructions in Hilchos Deios Ch. 4 come from the Gemara (migdal oz, malbim, hagahos bnei binyomin, tzaf”p).

(But thats besides the point because even if not it still is bigeder Torah that you can’t read in the bathroom. See Lechem Mishna Hilchos Talmud Torah 4:1 and the end of the Rambam’s hakdomo.)

For bad midos, see Rambam Hilchos Deios.