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Dear BY,
Is this Holocaust denial? “Surely European Jews were saying the same thing in 1935. They at least had an excuse cuz nothing of the sort had ever happened before.” Jews had just started getting rights not even a hundred years before this. By 1935, they had already lost them in many countries. And, they had not forgotten that things could go bad quickly…..
Cultural rot is a problem. However, it is not genocide.Not really sure what everyone is talking about. This reading of the law forces people to act normally. Do not discriminate against your employee for things that do not affect your business. And your employee has to act normal, because anything that either gender could be fired for, he/she/it can be fired for too. CJ Roberts is setting up a legal basis for people to be obligated to a human standard, no matter how they self identify.
Dear Health,
“They brought in the National Guard” And shot four students protesting in Kent State. Which led to more protests, and really boosted the anti-war movement. Which toppled JE Hoover, director of the FBI. Then the real madness slowed down. But the FBI (and the riots) could be slowed down still more…..Dear Akuperma,
“the last city to be destroyed in any sort of warfare was Hiroshima” Vukovar? Aleppo??
Dear Som,
“IN FACT study’s that show that an unarmed white man is twice as likely to be shot then an unarmed black man”
Mathematical correction. Twice as often. Given that white population is over four times the black population, a black man is 8 times more likely to be shot by police than a white man. [I used google to find your ‘study’. It says twice as many.] The same mathematical error appears in the first point you made. That point is still valid, if overstated.Dear Health,
Trump had to pay out two million for improper management of his non-profit. There are about 30 investigations surrounding his assets today. He has faced nearly 4000 lawsuits. What is your point?Dear Grand,
What is your issue with ANTIFA, you miss the concerts?Dear Abba,
I do not live in NYS anymore. I was not referring to NYS or any specific state. If we must listen to the Police even when they are taking advantage of us, that boils down to now constitutional rights.
It is a sketchy story. I was not there. You say what the civilian should have done. The civilian is not getting paid to do a job, and has no way to be trained how to deal with an obnoxious cop. It is too much to ask, for every Police Officer (especially on the beat) to be properly trained?
I can’t get the Floyd story straight. Was he in the car at one point? Partly in the car? Not sure why it matters. If you cannot control an intoxicated individual without killing him, you are awful at policing.Dear Health,
Who is the drug pusher today? The maker of oxicontyn? The kid down the block who bought a bit extra so he could sell to his neighbor? What would the Death Penalty for Drug Pushers Law look like?Dear Common,
I am very thankful that I am no longer in yeshiva. I still have no need for a career, but thank you for the tip. The math is correct. Unless NYC means only BP. You seem to be petrified by the fact that coronavirus has not been eliminated yet.Dear Common,
That is good news. It still correlates to 75,000 more infected people than a year ago.A lot of people have high horses.
If we boil urban crises down to yes or no questions we can always blame the poor. So, in that spirit, I have a yes or no question, myself? If society has reached a point that it can absolve it’s responsibility because there are others to blame, is there any reason to retain TaNaCH?Dear Health,
If you knew a way to punish people out of drug dependency, you could be a millionaire.
Death penalty and life imprisonment is something to consider when a detective cannot fabricate evidence and invent suspects to advance his career. But that is a different topic. Are you seriously advocating the death penalty for drug use?Dear Two,
k. My friends that are non-violent and are okay with police, buy, sell, and take drugs in safe suburban neighborhoods. The Police have not been able to stop the spread of drugs in these communities, even though there is a lot of cooperation between residents and the Police. How in the world would Police stop drugs in Fashion District, LA Garfield Park, CHI or South Bronx, LA?Dear Abba,
The evidence that he resisted, is very, very, sketchy. At best, he was intoxicated or nervous. “If a cop tells you to do something you do it.” In a Police State. A story in BP. Teenager sitting in a parked vehicle. Cop: Move the car! Teen: I don’t have a license. Cop. Move the car! Teen: I don’t have a license. Cop: Move the !@#$%^ car, or I will have you arrested! teen moves car. Cop books him for driving with out a license. [Teen paid court fees, and had one year of probation.]Okay. Let’s see how this works. How would marriage make life meaningful?
Dear 29.
He became a double agent.Of the ten countries that got hit hardest by the pandemic, the U. S. is ranked last in preventing major outbreaks.
“I don’t agree with the fact that it has to be so diificult”
And you are right. It is not a fact. Not even an opinion. It is very close to an open lie.
Our community has twisted everything to make it about the shidduch. Like I am meaningless if I do not get one.
Dear Two,
j. I lived in a notorious neighborhood in NYC for two years. The Police were called for an ongoing murder attempts. Somebody drawing a gun. Extreme fist fights. Arson at night. [Gun shots? No way! Stabbing? Maybe if it was a young person. They would tell the dispatcher, that the victim has a terrible burn, or fell of the roof so that only EMS would come.] A large amount of the neighborhood had open warrants, or was on probation, or was doing something unlawful. (Drugs or guns.)Dear Two,
g. First off, a clarification. I meant less training and gear than a SWAT team, which will still be a lot more than they have now. Because they will not have to fund many different units. And, there will be a major reduction in the amount of salaried officers. Which will enable an increase of pay to all remaining officers. This part is (reportedly) supported by some notable police veterans.
when a crime happens….” Not anymore, criminals are usually apprehended through technology. Phone records. Video surveillance. A standard burglary today, the Police come down. They interview the bystanders, hunt for fingerprints, take videos. Go back to the station and file a report. Run everything through a computer and then look for the suspect. (Or, they say oh you must mean him. He lives on the worst block in town. We do not go there anymore. Next time the SWAT team goes there, they will pick him up. He already has 3 open warrants.) There is no need for Police here. A CSO can take down the information and record the evidence. [Some places have been doing this for decades.] If, the burglary is ongoing, than the trained unit comes. And they are trained to track him and arrest him on the spot.
“Not really sure..” Nobody is certain how any changes will play out. A lot depends on the residents and the politicians. [The way I differentiate between a good activist and a bad one, is if they blame everything on the current scapegoat. Do not believe them. They are in it for themselves, and are grasping an opportunity, A good activist, will always point out that it is up to the community to make the most of their chances.] But the idea here is that the less Police on the streets, the more it will be about community safety. When there is just the necessary amount to keep the peace, the less ability the department can be used against the residents.Dear Abba,
That is exactly why I do not have an opinion. The current setup, is not good in reality. There is no reason to trade one bad situation for another. If the new phase will continue with commitment, trust, and a bit of goodwill all around, it is probably worth a shot. Even if it seems like a long shot.Nobody can drink somene else’s wine without permission.
Dear Zion,
I have been looking for a source for when Nevuah stopped. I am unsure if it ever did stop.Dear Haimy,
The idea you mentioned from the Berditchever is a known response given by Mendelsohn to some priest.Is there any reason to assume that most Jewish men were bearded 1500 years ago?
Moshiach is independent. If he is owned by some group, than they could each bring their own.
Dear Two,
j.”This means that rape, physical assault, armed robberies, and violent gangs are preferred over the supposed systemic racism.” Again, I understand the idea is to ‘Defund’ while getting better policing. These neighborhoods, do not rely on the Police for protection from violent criminals. Just because the Police are downsized in the bad neighborhoods, it does not mean less policing in the suburbs.
Another view, is that there is a way out of violent crime. There is no way out of a communal system that does not serve the people in the community.Dear Two,
h. “What is this based on” Factually speaking, I made it up. Irvine is a modern and wealthy city, full of education centers. Ferguson is low on funds, with an undereducated and poor population. No police policy could fix the disparity. Which is just as good. I doubt the residents of Ferguson would appreciate living in Irvine.
i. Racism does not have to be systematic to ruin the designs of good governance. Add in class struggles, corruption, and lack of oversight, and all it takes is a few racist cops (or politicians) to make it about life and death. It does not have to be one specific issue. As long as the government is ignoring a group of the population (or an area of the city) one cannot argue that crimes will not happen because of the ‘peace of the country’. Criminals have to be cowed by society at large. Not by conflict with just the Police.
The advocates for ‘Defund’ think the crime rate will go down. Because of a stronger sense of community, less resentment in poor communities, and a more accountable police force. I think we can agree that as is today, law enforcement cannot solve the drug problem in inner city communities.Dear Two,
g. As of now, municipal police departments divide cities into defined areas, and dived uniformed officers into shifts. Each shift covers the whole precinct, with most officers getting steady roles. [Accident reporting. Routine home emergencies. Patrols. Etc.] After an officer has been working a precinct for some time, (two years?) they ca apply to join a specific unit. [Drugs. Trafficking. Illegal guns. Cyber. Anti-terror. Etc.] There are certain events that require cooperation of many officers. [Siyum hashas. Presidential appearances. Riots. Highway closures.] (I pulled this together from various sites. Maybe someone can clear this up for us.)
In response to your statement about needing “a competent and strong police force” for violent crime, I understand ‘Defund’ to mean a much smaller troop of everyday uniformed officers, with the bulk of 911 first responders being social workers, mental health professionals, and community service officers. Most of the specialized units will be merged into the county’s and state’s police forces. There will remain a well trained group of officers for each shift to handle dangerous situations. Something like a SWAT team with less training and gear. In this setup, large gatherings and highway construction will hire private firms for security and traffic control.Dear Two,
I am enjoying the conversation. To me make it easier on myself (And the wonderful people who moderate for us.) I will break it up into smaller posts. please point out to me if I miss anything.b. My point with Hatzolah was that a response is required for every 911 call. Fire, EMS, and anything else only come when they are needed. Anything undefined, they send the Police. When I was learning in Lakewood, I called Hatzolah for an unstable person who was lying in the street. If I would have been in a city and called 911i the police would have come. A lot of policing has nothing to do with crime. Suicide attempts. Lost children. Traffic control. Accident reports. Drug overdose.
The police brutality storyline will go away when people go back to work. Even if the bad cops are removed by then, it will not be enough to heal relations on the ground. The goal is to start a process that allows these neighborhoods the possibility of becoming better places to live. (This is one version. There are a lot of other ways to connect these two different parts of the communal system.)
Activists are pushing for a trade off of inner city spending. It appeals to (normal) Mayors that do not have the time or understanding to devote to fixing these communities. This way the City does not have to overspend to fund these projects. The money is there if they downsize the police force.Dear Som,
I apologize. I did not see your post until now. I think she means something like they did in Camden. I doubt it will happen in Minneapolis.Dear Abba,
Suppose you where in charge of a shul with 3000 seat capacity for Rosh Hashanah. Would you let anyone who claims they have antibodies into your shul? Face masks (Except medical grade.) do not help the wearer.Dear Bk,
This is not about Trump. Antifa groups rose out of the original anti Nazi groups in punk rock. It is really odd how this is getting thrown around here (of all places!), as a political debate. It was a struggle over who should direct the belligerence at music venues 40 years ago. The strategies of coping with violence has carried over to extreme groups of the right and the left. Neither one cares for your vote.Dear Reb Eliezer,
” As the generations became weaker, more and more commentaries became necessary. This is how the gemora came about.” Rav Sheraira Goan writes that Talmud preceded the Mishna. Either way the gemora is dialogue. That makes it difficult to call it commentary.Dear Rational,
It seems you are correct. Though I saw pictures of boarded up Jewish stores.Dear Two,
Agreed. Racism is about inferiority and superiority. I think there are two different ideas in racism. People who think of themselves as better than their peers may assume that their race is superior. Alternatively, it is far easier to assume knowledge, than to acquire it. When people see differences in race, they make assumptions as opposed to inquiring on the topic.“More likely to do something”
No. Assuming that all of the are that way, can be racist.“Religious Jew”
No. it is not inferior or superior to have two sinks.“Using statistics and prior life experiences”
Is very subjective. Especially in regards to race.“Reasonable and not racist”
My take is that it could be irrational. But, we are irrational about our own safety. Maybe we could say it is rational to be irrational about my own safety. My thinking for my own safety is justified. But so is the indignation of the innocent members of that race.I have no reason to think you are racist. (I even double checked this thread and your profile, in case I forgot one of our recent posts.) I wonder how much disposition I have to racism, based on my second definition above.
Dear Milhouse,
My best wishes to my most loyal supporter! A nuclear arms race is rational…… I hope you win one!Dear Health,
The news in ‘Minnesota’ could look at what went down in Camden NJ……..Dear Shady,
Exactly. While a minyan is just a number and could be ‘joined’ and have ‘a majority’, Teffilah b’tzibbur is an activity and would need the full group’s participation. It was very unpopular here, when I brought it up in regard to porch minyanim.Dear Health,
You can be very polarizing. Could you tell us why?Dear Two,
As I mentioned, I do not have an opinion (yet) on this. Let us explore what the range of possible is.a. True. Inner city communities are generally underfunded. (They do not vote much or participate.) There is not much extra room because they do not hold hope for revenue increases. There used to be advocacy to spend less on policing bad neighborhoods, and more on policing the surrounding areas. (I believe this was implemented successfully in Brooklyn.) Today, they are advocating to have smaller a police force, and more social spending. (They think the two problems are related.)
b. As noted above, police do a lot for us that is not law enforcement. (We call Hatzolah and other organizations. They only call 911.) Basic education, youth centers, etc. are connected with decreases in violent crime.
f. Please name these politicians or point give a quote. I am not sure what you are referring to. The ‘Defund the Police’ idea is from community activists. Not politicians.
g. Only part of the force, polices violent crime. In my understanding of ‘Defund’ that part of the force would remain, and probably get higher salaries and more resources. If we abolish then the Feds or State Police handles violent crime. This is done in some countries. However, there does not seem to be any real traction for ‘Police Abolition’ now. So, there is not much written on how it could work.
h. Strong policing is necessary when there is strong incentive to commit crimes. Nobody claims that strong policing will turn Ferguson, Missouri, into Irvine, California,
I. It is not new. But the Mishna is pointing to a complete or competent government. One that is unbiased toward it’s citizenry. Which is where racism comes in.
Dear Huju,
I have noticed some of those in the frum world today.And, what is all this about the U. S. doing the most testing? AS of this week, the U. S. is twelfth in tests per million population. And by far the most people that are getting tested multiple times. If anything it is under counted the amount of cases here compared to Europe. I do not think this is politics. We have mostly rural areas, and great distances between city clusters. The virus travels much faster than basic testing.
Dear Wolf,
That is great for you, but it would follow that you are cruel enough that my entire existence is a mere figment of your imagination.Dear Mistykins,
If we are using that meaning of think. then just turning on the news is in itself the same proof. Alternatively, we could reassure ourselves that the subjects of todays storylines do not exist.Dear Milhouse,
The problem with racism is not irrationality. What is rational could be harmful, uncontrollable, unsustainable, or the wrong way to act.Dear One,
The Jews do not control the vote in NYC or NYS. What should they do? No candidate who would fit well with our community has a chance in NYC. (Besides Mickey Mouse.)Please stop insulting Marxism. Your Mayor is only an half-competent flip-flopper. He never commits to anything, so how could he be even slightly Communist?
Dear Someone,
A mayor is not elected by a national vote. Mayors are allowed to be racist, anti-government, radically religious, or any other extreme. As long as they have (somewhat positive) name recognition, they get reelected.