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‘So the media likes to say we have the most cases, but we do, by far, the most testing. If we did very little testing, we wouldn’t have the most cases. So, in a way, by doing all of this testing we make ourselves look bad.’ May 6
“Don’t forget, we have more cases than anyone in the world, but why? Because we do more testing. When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.” May 14
“If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any,” May 15
“You know, testing is a double-edged sword. We’ve tested now 25 million people. It’s probably 20 million people more than anybody else. German’s done a lot. South Korea’s done a lot. They called me, they said the job you’re doing (trails off). Here’s the bad part. When you’re testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people, you’re going to find more cases. So I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down, please.’” June 20
Dear Health,
“DID NOT press charges against Biden” and “he resolved all his issues w/o a Court Case” seem inconsistent.Dear Health,
My point was that we have no first hand or readily available evidence that Mr. Biden is guilty. You could think whatever you want, but RE is not obligated to have an opinion. Especially when he is saying ‘as far as I know’.Dear Shnitzel,
Do you think our community would be more centralized for it?Dear Shnitzel,
We could go back and forth. I want to try to play out your idea instead. So, we have the candidates appealing to the community, perhaps an independent community panel that educates and provides access to the politicians. Larger families that are struggling with budgets, will vote for school vouchers and lower property taxes. Older voters would want quieter communities with services for the homebound. Legalizing marijuana and lower driving ages will be controversial. And, the doofus candidate who hollers about some toievah will have access to all the yungerleit who normally do not follow politics. (Which is possibly Lakewood’s biggest bloc.) And then will come the government conspiracy candidate. And then…..Dear Shnitzel,
Your make an intelligent argument. However, (1) if the askanim to not get what they want from the politician for the community, (But they do get a pot of cash.) than there is a serious failure of leadership in that community. If they do get what they want for the community, yet the focus is on the corrupt deal, something is wrong with the whole community structure. (2) Most of America just votes for whomever. Based on party, race, media coverage, or some meaningless opinion. (3) If Yidden would care less about politics, they would just vote accordingly and move on. Then, other than political insiders nobody would know that the Jews are swinging the vote. It used to be like this in Lakewood. (They resorted to accusing the askonim of bribing voters.)
Elections in the USA are not the same as in an Italian city-state. Elections do not mean much to the social contract of everyday Americans. The political bureaucracy pays significant attention to who votes and especially to larger blocs. While I have full faith in you to vote intelligently, any politician that has been at it a few years can make some religious statements and hoodwink a bunch of Frum voters. (What went on in Lakewood when I was there.)Dear Health,
What you choose to believe, is not someone else’s (fact-based) knowledge.Dear Som,
That is an impressive list! Most Trump supporters cannot list more than 2 or 3 items. (Still, for those that check these things, Trump has lied more than any american politician ever.)Dear Coffee,
I agree that it should be that way. The basis for impeaching the 42nd president was that Americans look up to the President as a venerated symbol of America and Freedom. In Europe, the president could be less glorified than the vice president.Dear Grand,
Biden who is as bland as wallpaper, a militant punk rock leftist? Do you know how old Mr. Biden is? Or have you confused antifa with an organized political group?Dear Ben,
Trump’s ethical standards in all areas, is much lower than Mr. Clinton’s. Mrs. Clinton may put up a contest in one or two areas. Mr. Trump’s story of success has been divided between, Times Square, Palm Beach, and Hollywood. t would take tremendous duplicity for a career politician to live such a lifestyle. Mr. Clinton could not host those depraved parties while meeting with the press to make believe that every american would become rich.
You can support Trump. I can give solid reasons if you cannot figure out your own. But please do not make his moral disregard into a virtue. His lifestyle is completely abhorrent.Dear Common,
Pick a number from one to ten. We seem to tangle more when we agree.Dear Pekak,
Haimy was not asking out of galus. He was asking to go to camp. We do not need power for that. Just a seat at the table. And he did not mean those camps.Dear Common,
Until very recently, being pro gay rights was left-wing. Going back to nineties, it was hard left. Pro-abortion is still left. Personal life styles? Check. Also, the California liberal was practically invited to NYC by Rudy.Dear Health,
You are correct in the context of Law Enforcement. If these were civilians, (One armed civilian gets into a struggle with an unarmed one…… The unarmed one grabs the taser and runs…) I think he would be guilty. It is my (meaningless, it is only me) take, that when bad policing happens, the officers should be tried as civilians. What gets magnified in this story is, that there is a constant reevaluating in policing to guess if a suspect is dangerous. There is no clear way out for the cops or the suspects. It forces the suspect to balance his freedoms and his life. And it forces the cops to balance being too safe now versus being too deadly later.Dear Joseph,
The first time the taser was fired, (during the struggle) it was not at anyone. [And, how can you tell who fired it?] When The Officer finally used his gun, it was not self defense anymore.Dear Shnitzel,
Joseph sees a connection. Neither reality could be possible from his point of view. If he blocks them out for the same reason, than that points to a connection.Dear Health,
It seems to me that the Officer did get hit by the taser. Who cares that he is sleeping in the drive-thru? get him out of the way and move on. What investigation will you do? See if he is communicating with soviet spies? Two officers couldn’t cuff him after him being compliant. If one officer would have tried to immediately book him (For
what?) he would have gotten away for sure.Dear NOYB,
Why did the officer create this self defense situation? This is not to say the suspect was one bit justified. The officer was stupid. What was he going to do when he ran after him? Knock him down? Ask him for the taser back? Offer him a ride home? If the officer could run a bit faster, he would have gotten tased in the face. He was not protecting himself at all. Finally, when the suspect is running away and no longer an immediate threat, he shoots him.Dear Som,
What was the officer thinking by chasing him? If he was afraid for his own safety he should have used lethal force as soon as he lost the taser. If the suspect was not a danger, he should have let him run and radioed for a manhunt. If they chased him for assaulting them and disarming an officer, they did not have to kill him. (No idea what the law is in Georgia. Nor do I care.)Dear Som,
“That’s not true…” I read up a bit. Blacks are over represented in police shootings relative to general population. Blacks are underrepresented in scenarios that include mental illness (by far the most defined category) and ‘suicide by cop’. (Second largest category. The majority are white, only four cases were blacks.) Blacks had the highest percentage of being unarmed. Source: National Library of Medicine PMID: 27745606If I read your point correctly, you mean that blacks being eight times more likely to be shot by police unarmed than a white person. Agreed. If you want to point to all cases, than it is twice as often that a white man is shot. But only twice as likely for a black man. Unless you were referring to homicides in the general population.
Dear Common,
1. Rudy was much more on the social left than he is today. He was tough on law and order. Which is why we voted for him.
2. The ethnic cultures assimilate. Even their festivals and parades, become Americanized. If we want to have a more diverse religious bloc, we should turn to the new immigrant communities.
3. If we had not splintered our own bloc, we would have less trouble with the Anti Frum left. Since every splinter votes and lobbies individually, it takes a large effort just to get a consensus against a common adversary.
“there is no common ground anymore” Agreed.Dear Doing,
He should have shot him in the leg instead of chasing him. There was plenty of time to take good aim.Even better question. If a mishkav zochornik would come to you to help him get a pair of tefillin, what would you do?
This basic Torah Hashkafa is unknown to some because it does not exist, and is not referenced anywhere. Though, there is a major emphasis throughout all Torah sources on the greatness of the lone individual who dedicates himself to what s/he was created to be. Does anyone really think, that some homosexual, illiterate, self-absorbed punk is the next Avraham Avinu? Hashem put me in a world with people that are self serving deviants. My role is to not emulate them. Despising them, would put me more in their camp than with the Avos and Dovid Hamelech. If you spend your time, thinking about them you become them. Just ignore it. We have better things to do.
Shooting him in the leg would have been enough.
Dear Common,
I was wondering if the Zarda case would be discrimination according to the ruling. The customer was uncomfortable with the way he worked. If he was transgender, he could argue that a female would not be fired. Being gay does not seem to be a defense. He still has to be sensitive to the customers like any other male employee.Dear Som,
It is definitely not the legislators job to guide the nations culture. It is the job of the clergy (Totally absent.) cultural icons (Make to much money.) and educators (HA!). But I do not get you. You want them to be able to act however they feel like and claim that is their ‘identity’? Why is it an affront to you if they do not get fired?Why is it about worst case numbers? There was a chance to avoid the good bulk of it. The U. S. is the hardest hit country. With resources that are still being kept idle. There is no way to sugarcoat it. Huju wants to make light of it. But humor is insulting to some attempts to continue denying reality.
Dear Someone,
The sin of Sodom was neglecting the poor. There is no reason for this ruling to scare anyone. All they are getting is the ability to keep a job. That does not make a difference to me and you. Of all the things that are failing in our community, this is what will bury American Orthodoxy??????We would have more clout if more of us would vote. And vote with the bloc.
Dear Health,
When this law is written, please make sure that it would not include giving tylenol to someone with a headache. I do not know what goes on in your house. But our communities would be drastically affected by your ideas. [Even more than abolishing all Police.]Dear By,
“They at least had an excuse……” I disagree completely. Jew-hatred was part of Europe for hundreds of years. With major massacres in almost every generation. On top of that, Jews in many countries had lost their rights that we had worked for decades to achieve. Contrast that to today, where there has never been a massacre in the Western Hemisphere, and we have not lost any rights or even been singled out as a group. Americans are getting more agitated, they are just unsure of who they hate. There would have to be a very organized leadership, or anarchy to turn this into a genocide.
Just to correct a few things. Radical thinking is not entrenched any where in America (yet). We are too diverse and just do not care enough to be consistent enough to be radicalized. (This is mentioned in why the U. S. is host to many cults.) If those allegations mean Mr. Biden is not a good person, than what can you say for the President? I have no idea what you call freedom, and how it is being threatened. The Novi you mentioned is brought in the Midrash as Eliyahu. (As a bystander, not a prophet.) The Neviim would cring from your thinking. It relies too much on societal values.It is worth repeating, that anyone with symptoms (Even the Rosh Yeshivah.) must daven at home for yomim noraim.
Dear Health,
I was not comparing coranavirus to ebola. I was contrasting between the difference in approach. When the Feds take an all hands on deck approach to Global issues, it seems like they are making a big deal of nothing. But, there is a long list of successes of catastrophes that have been (largely) averted. Compare that with the present, where those in national positions spent three months in denial, two months talking stupidly, and are now projecting it to be almost over. I am not against the politics of it. I am pointing out that you are giving credit to an administration that has made it very clear that it is not their problem to solve.Dear Joseph,
I apologize. I was focusing on the second point, and did not think how to write out the first one. The First Amendment is aimed against forcing any set of beliefs on the people. It enables any religious expression people choose, but it does not enshrine that people will have religious worship. It does preclude any curtailing of free speech.
That was what I meant. But know I think it could be read as all having to do with the right to assemble. Meaning, that religion is being enshrined through the masses right to assemble. (And the right to religious freedom is to be read implicitly into the constitution itself.) Accordingly, the double standard is obvious. [Just according to this interpretation, i am unsure why the Government is allowed to order a lockdown to begin with.]
In conclusion I think I made it clear that I do not know much about how this works out in everyday legislation and government. Since this thread is all over the place, maybe someone can clear it up for me. But I still think that the Governors were thinking along the first reading when managing two different public crises. Which lead into my second point; But the idea here was that religious people would be careful about social distancing, because they tend to be more conscious of the communal good. [As opposed to their own personal right.]Dogmatic fundamentalism is not evident in Jewish classical literature.
Dear Health,
If you were around in the sixties, you may not be aware that encyclopedias are available online. From Wikipedia (Kent State shootings):
The fatal shootings triggered immediate and massive outrage on campuses around the country. More than 4 million students participated in organized walk-outs at hundreds of universities, colleges and high schools, the largest such strike in the history of the United States. The student strike of 1970 further affected public opinion at an already socially contentious time over the role of the United States in the Vietnam War.
But if you were around in the sixties, you should have known this.Dear Health,
“college or university” If you say so, I would not make such assumptions.
Back to the the sanctity of other people’s property. It does not matter to me the term. Are you so anti ethics, that all those grievances can be dismissed because there is no obvious criminality?The President himself supplied our answer! “Do you think I’m stupid?” Trump, on avoiding the Vietnam Draft.
Dear Joseph,
The First Amendment does not exactly cover services. But the idea here was that religious people would be careful about social distancing, because they tend to be more contentious of the communal good. [As opposed to their own personal right.] I imagine this could make things even more difficult for religious lobbies behind closed doors.Dear Health,
The Obama administration had H1N1 in 2009, Ebola in 2014, and Zika in 2016. They more or less did the job. The feds today, have completely backed away from this pandemic and told the States to deal with it. Nobody saw the U. S. getting hit so hard. This thread started about The President ignoring the reality on the ground. If you want to transfer power back to the States, then keep on supporting Trump. There is no reason to lie about the pandemic. This is clearly not something he ever intended to deal with.Dear Nerli,
What Jews did the president stand up for? Which Jewish interests has he protected?Dear Just,
If everyone wears a mask, than everyone will wear a mask. Once some people stop…On the Torah part, if anybody cares. Who comes first, says nothing about the respect that is due every person. Am I allowed to dehumanize the Levi, to save a Kohen? Can you really read parshas noach with or without any commentary, and miss that every human life is regarded? Have you not seen that the three cardinal sins are laid out around human dignity, and together with the mitzvah of preserving life? Did you skip the Neviim, that equates the Yidden with the other nations in the eyes of Hashem? How much of Tehillem discusses the equality of men, and the loftiness of the human spirit?
One can look around at society today, and justly condemn this individual or that group. But if he goes to the Torah, and could not find enough self-criticism to point only at himself, than he misses the whole point.Dear Alteh,
The Rosh Yeshivos do not go these parks, so they do not see it and tell us to keep them clean. Similarly, we are told to put away the seforim in the Bais Medrash, but we do not put away the milk in the dining room. We are told about the music by weddings, and not to dance like fools. But we are not told to behave by funerals, even after people are seriously injured.Dear Haimy,
Not sure if I practice the religion you practice. Pretty sure you are incorrect about freedom of religion. You are correct about Satmar.Dear Shnitzel,
How would the right wing commentators, know what the left wing is attempting? Do you feel like the left wing commentators give an accurate portrayal of what the right wing is about?Dear Joseph,
What is Jewish Culture? I always thought, that we absorbed Gentile culture through our more assimilated and lax brethren. If the mother is raising the children and looking after the house, and that is the way it is in every jewish house, what kind of Culture can there be?Dear Someone,
You could use some American History of the Twentieth Century. But you would say it was written by liberals…