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To non-political
He’ll say anything to get the upper hand and then he’ll deny it a day later. He’s a total Chabad fraud.
To NOPE
I’m really not interested in discussing the question of TV but I’ll just say that it came up about 2 years ago in YWN that I have a TV( I don’t have one now.) Anyway posters wanted to yar and feather me so I asked Rabbi Fishelis if it’s such a serious offense and he told me it’s absolutely permitted. So we can put this subject to rest.
To the group
Last week I asked Nope a simple question, “Do you agree with what Rabbi Feldman said about Manis Friedman?” I got back a doctoral thesis but not a yes or no answer. Instead he said that Rabbi Friedman had no right to challenge Manis until he called him to clarify what he meant. Nope opens up a can of worms. He’s now saying that when someone makes a controversial statement we can’t accept or reject it unless we first speak to the author. Sounds nice except for one problem. How do we get clarification from dead Rabbis? So this leads to “maybeism.” Maybe Rav Shach didn’t mean that the Rebbe is crazy. You get the point. Your move Nope.
To non-political
I’ve been dealing with Nope for a long time so I know where he’s coming from. He’s a Chabad apologist. He refused to say whether he’s Chabad or not so I don’t call him Chabad. He’s now trying to cover up for Manc Friedman. Rabbi Feldman called him a Kofer for stating publicly that today no Jew can be punished no ma what he does. This is a clear denial of the principle of Schar Veonesh, so Nope twists what Rabbi Feldman said so that he’s not really saying he’s a Kofer and that Rabbi Feldman was obligated to call Manic and have him clarify what he meant. Another statement of Manic Friedman is that Mitzvahs are not commandments which must be kept rather they’re nice things which we do to fulfill G-d”s needs. So Manic holds that G-d d has needs literally which is also Kefirah. To this point Nope cited a Rashi which says that G-d has needs. Nope is very skilled at twisting and cherry picking statements from Chazan to cover up for Chabad. The simple and correct Pshat is that Manic is a Kofer. Similarly Cumin is a Kofer for stating that the Rebbe runs the world. This is part of the Chabad playbook. When they say he’s Moshiach it doesn’t mean they think he’s Moshiach. When they say he’s god clothed in human form they don’t mean that. Nope is clever but he’s a liar Good luck dealing with him.
,To yankel berel
Now that we’ve proven that L Rebbe wasn’t a Novi which lie should we work on next? How about the Rebbe is Moshiach. The son of a Chabad Rabbi offered this proof to me, “Tell me someone who’s more fit to be Moshiach.” This is how ridiculous their false religion is. The problem is not so much the Lubavitchers but the fools who defend their lies and Kefirah.
To Non-political
About ten years ago I called YU and asked the voice on the other end if I could speak to Dr. Berger. It was Dr. Berger. We spoke for about a half hour. He was delightful..I told him that Boteach wrote an essay in which he said that the Rebbe’s goal was to rule the world. I thought Boteach was nuts for saying it but Dr. Berger told me that the Rebbe spoke on numerous occasions about conquering the world. I’m not an alarmist. My eyes are open and I know what Chabad is all about and it ain’t good. My Rov said, “The Rebbe’s Gaavah was so big he convinced himself that he’s god.” As you can tell I’m very reasonable. I listen to and respect other opinions even if they differ from mine, but I don’t tolerate liars. They know who they are and I always expose them for the trash they are.
To ujm
Shlomo Hamelech said that there’s no hope for a fool who’s right in his own eyes. This is Yaakov Yosef A. He has this idiotic line that Rabbi Feldman and I have to contact a Kofer who rejects the fundamental of Schar Veonesh and ask him to explain his view. There’s nothing to explain he’s a Chabad Kofer.
To Nope
So you agree with the Rashab (thanks for correcting me) and Rabbi Miller You obviously respect Gedolim. Does that mean you also agree with Rabbi Feldman who said Manis Friedman is a Kofer?
To Nope
I spoke to a major Posek who said that having a TV is not even an Issue DRabonon. So yes, Rabbi Miller’s position is hardly the last word. Moreover, if you agree with Rabbi Miller that owning a TV is Ain Lo Cheilek Olam Habo then how do you justify owning a computer? And if you’ll say that you only watch clean things then I’ll say I only watch news. Again, Rabbi Miller’s opinion is very far from Halacha.
To Yaakov Yosef A
You wrote, “I don’t get why people are so excited to say that there is punishment. Of course there’s punishment.” The problem is that Manis has declared that there is no punishment. Are you too stupid to understand that or do you simply refuse to accept the truth?
To Nope
Fine. If you accept Rabbi Miller’s contention that people who own TV’ s have no Cheilek in Olam Habo that means you agree that there is punishment in this world. How does this jibe with Manis Friedman ‘s position?
To Non-political
Let me share a story. A few years ago a Lubavicher Rabbi asked me if I read Dr. Berger’s book. I said yes so he asked me to share with him something from it. I told him that Dr. Berger said that 8 senior Rabbis at Oholei Torah claim that the Rebbe is god clothed in human form. The Rabbi said to me, ,”Everyone knows that.” He then “explained” it to me. We know that every Jew has a spark of Elokus. And Rashi said that Moshe was equal to all the Jews so he had all their sparks. Now the Rebbe is the Moshe of our generation so he has the sparks of every Jew who ever lived. So if you add up those sparks it equals to Hashem. So please don’t tell me that Chabad isn’t forming a ne religion..And I’ll add another point. You sound like a conventional Yeshivish Yid who trusts Gedolim. In the beginning of Dr. Berger’s book he speaks about his exchanges with Gedolim. He said they all agreed with him that Chabad was lost but they had no intention of doing anything. My guess is that they’re afraid of the lawsuit that Chabad would start if a Psak was made against them.
To Sechel
I understand where you’re coming from. As I’ve stated I have a lot of interactions with Chabad and so I know how you guys relate to each other. Is the Rebbe a Novi? Of course he’s a Novi. Does he run the world? Of course he runs the world. You’ve been lied to from the day you were born I know you won’t accept that but it’s the truth.
To ujm
I’ll try to explain where Yaakov Yosef A is coming from. He’s not interested in what Rabbi Feldman said. He has a right to that position. What he he no right is to tell others that we can’t accept what a Godol is saying. And that’s what this buffoon is trying to do. He’s also a liar having said that he’s walking away from this thread. Maybe he needs a Refuah Shleimah. Arrogant jerk that he is. If he’s so troubled by the bombings let him go to Yeshiva and get off the internet.
To Non-political
You make a valid point which I will address. It is my belief that Chabad is morphing into another religion. No one is obligated to agree with me. All I ask is that I be given the opportunity to express my opinions and to that point I thank the moderators of YWN for running this and other similar threads. To be sure there are many great Rabbis who have the same view as mine.
To always ask
There is no question that the concept of Tinok Shenishba exists. What is subject to debate is how far it can be expanded. According to NOPE every irreligious Jew is automatically a Tinok Shenishba even if he was originally from and walked away from the religion under no duress. Please feel free to ask more questions, Unlike NOPE I will respond with honest answers.
To yankel berel
Let’s not be too tough on Sechel. The more he writes the more he exposes Chabad as a false religion . So let’s not scare him off like we did to Menachem Shmei.
To the group
Nope quotes a Rashi that would imply that Hashem has needs. Rambam states clearly that G-d has no human characteristics. When the Torah says things like He gets angry etc it must be understood anthropomorphically. Checkmate.
To ujm
You did a great job calling out that jerk. He has no interest one way or the other. Yes, all he wants to do is make nasty comments about the other posters. Hopefully he’ll keep his word and get off this thread. You’ll notice that he never addresses any point directly. This is also Nope’s MO. Yes, Friedman is a Kofer. Not because I say so or because Rabbi Feldman says so, but because he’s trying to undermine the principles of our religion.
To Nope
On YWN postersare expected to answer questions that they’re asked. You, of course, are a VIN weasel and ignored my question. So I’ll repeat it. Do you agree with the Raystz who called religious Zionists Kofrim? And do you agree with Rabbi Miller who said that one who has a TV has no Cheilek in Olam Habo?
To non-political
You’re right. Avraham Avinu taught us that we must mock idolatry. Chabad is an idolatrous religion. Don’t you agree Nope? Of course you do. That’s why you switched to our Wonderful site. I’m sure you have a bunch of anti-Rebbe zingers. Can’t wait to hear them.
To non-political
How dare you suggest that the Rebbe could ever be wrong?
To the group
Nope harassed me when I wrote on VIN. His thing was trying to convince me that Alan Dershowitz is a Tinok Shenishba. He quoted the Chazan Ish that every Jew today is a Tinok Shenishba. I told him that the Chazan Ish was talking about Jews with no religious background. He said I’m right and then changed it that Rav Kook would call him a Tinok Shenishba. Now he goes back to the Chazan Ish. Filthy liar. The first letter of Lubavic is an L it’s for liar. All Lubavitchers along with those who defend them are despicable liars.
To Nope
Yes I hold that Toras Qwerty is bigger than all other Torahs because my Torah is logical and because I speak to a vast array of great Rabbis who agree with what I say. You seem to think that you can quote some Rabbi out of context and think you’ve won the argument. I reject many statements made by Rabbonim as do you. I’m sure you don’t agree with the Raystz who said that all Zionists are Kofrim because that means they have no Cheilek in Olam Habo and you agree with Manis Hamishugah that no Jew can be You’re a Chabad sympathizer so you have the same Din as Friedman the atheist.
To somejewiknow
You misunderstood my exchange with Nope. According to that atheist every Mechallel Shabbos is a Tinok Shenishba even if he was raised frum and chose to leave the religion. I told him that’s garbage so he told me that Rav Kook said so. I told him today that if he wants to follow Rav Kook that’s his right but I don’t. Please read the post again and you’ll see that’s what I wrote.
To Sechel
Why don’t you provide the names of the signers on that Psak Din? I know why. Because 90 percent of them are named Menachem Mendel.
To Sechel
You’re conflating predictions and prophecies. If someone predicted that the stock market would crash and it did he isn’t a prophet. To be a Novi one must state that Hashem told him etc. Since this never happened the Rebbe’s predictions are irrelevant.
To ujm
Now you see what type of lying phony Yaakov Yosef A is. You ask him what he thinks of Rabbi Feldman’s statement and he says he doesn’t care because he doesn’t judge Jews. That’s total garbage. If he has no point of view why does he waste everyone’s time? Moreover he’s condescending and arrogant implying that he’s such a perfect Tzaddik that he see good in everyone. That’s BS. Judaism is a religion of truth. Manis Friedman is a Kofer and he’s spreading his lies to thousands of unsuspecting Jews. So yes he must be called out. And if Yaakov Yosef is too holy to speak critically let him stop giving Mussar to Jews who are following the Halacha of rebuking intentional sinners.
To somejewiknow
Manis Friedman hss no intention of backing down from what he said. He is Chabad and Chabad believes that G-d d has been replaced by the Rebbe and therefore the world is totally Hefkee. Rabbi Efren Goldberg interviewed Manis Friedman recently. Another of his heresies is that Mitzvahs are optional. He explained that G-d has “needs” and when Jews keep Mitzvahs we’re fulfilling Hashem s needs. When Rabbi Goldberg challenged him he refused to back down arguing that since no one knows G-d how can anyone know if He has needs or not.
To ARSo
I need to make a Shecheyanu because you and ujm both supported me. I’m not here to make friends. I’m here to tell the truth. Thank you for calling out Sechel’s lie that the Rebbe was a Novi.
To Nope
I figured you’d show up. To state that a person who was raised fully frum and decided to walk away from the religion is a Tinok Shenishba is garbage. Dershowitz explained that he left the religion at 29 because he had two children and he didn’t want to burden them with Mitzvahs as it would prevent them from reaching their potential. Sorry that’s not a Tinok Shenishba. And as to what Rav Kook meant that’s not my concern, but it’s ridiculous, because it leads to where Friedman went that no Jew can be punished. To be fair, if Rav Kook meant what you’re saying then you have a right to follow him and I won’t say anything, but I have the right to follow rational Jews like Rabbi Feldman.
To Yaakov Yosef A
Your position is acceptable. So is it fair to say that you would criticize the Friedeger Rebbe for saying that all Zionism is heresy? He was clearly implying that Zionists have have no Cheilek in Olam Habo.
To ujm
Thank you. Yaakov Yosef A is typical of many of the posters. They take a ridiculous position and then use word games to trick people into siding with them. He keeps telling me that I have to call Manis and ask him to clarify what he meant. He couldn’t be any clearer, “You can do anything you want and nothing will happen.” This is Chabadianity. I attend a Chabad shul during the week and the Rabbi told me that Gehinnom no longer exists.
To Sechel
That’s not a Nevuah it’s a prediction and someone did die. Second no actual Posek said he’s a Novi only Chabad robots.
To Yaakov Yosef A
I thank you for clarifying the pertinent Gemara however there are three rebuttals to your statement. Number one, Rabbi Friedman said, “No Jew can be punished no matter what he does.” It’s not my job to figure out what he meant. If you don’t believe he said this look at the video. Second Rabbi Feldman clearly understood this as Kefirah. Third, and this is the most powerful response. Hillel taught us the Golden Rule, “Don’t do to others what you don’t want done to you.” This is universal and so you can’t attribute theft, or murder to the exile. No, Friedman isn’t looking for a Heter for himself rather he’s telling the irreligious that he deals with that there are no consequences of one sins. I know you won’t be moved by what I say because you are like most posters. You don’t care about the truth you just want to win the argument. But the facts are the facts. There is still punishment in this world and there will always be.
To Sechel
You ask a good question so I’ll give a better answer. You ask, “We see that even though Nevuah is an Ikkar there were times that we didn’t have it, so too for Schar Veonesh.” The difference is that it’s the Gemara which says that Nevuah will be taken away. On the other hand, it’s some Rabbi who’s saying that Schar Veonesh no longer exists. Now I’ll repeat a question I asked you last week, “Since you foolishly believe that the Rebbe was a Novi give us an example of his Nevuah.”
To Yaakov Yosef A
I reread what you wrote and it’s so despicable that I must comment. You’re suggesting that some Chabad Kofer in Minnesota is equal to Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai. You need serious help. And if you’re comparing the Rebbe to Rashbi you’re in similar need of psychiatric assistance.
To non-political
A blessing on your head. Too many of the posters seek to obfuscate the issues. You take the clearheaded approach and ask Sechel to clarify his remarks which, of course, he can’t because he has no Sechel. All Lubavitchers are trapped in a catch 22. They can’t honestly answer any rational question because such questions expose that their religion is a series of lies. On the other hand, they can’t admit that the.Rebbe was a Kofer because he’s the basis of their entire existence. So instead they play word games hoping the pursuers will get tired and move to a different subject.
To somejewiknow
You seem like a nice person so I’ll respond to your last post. You asked for “my” definition of Zionism. As I said it’s exactly what you wrote at the start, a 19th century anti-Torah movement. Well I’m not secular nor anti-Torah and so I can’t be included among those Zionists whom you hate so much. My only crime is that I seek the welfare of the Jews living in Israel. According to you that makes me evil. According to the Torah you are a Rosha because wishing harm to any Jew violates Veahavta Reiacha Kimoso.
To Yaakov Yosef A
You’re a wise guy and I don’t like wise guys so I’m not wasting any more time with you.
To Sechel
According to your “logic” the Sages of the Gemara were Kofrim when they said that there won’t be Nevuah until Moshiach arrives. Second point. Let’s say we accept your thesis that Manis Friedman meant that Hashem only gives the mildest punishments today, how would he know that? Are you saying that he’s also a Novi?
To Sechel
You obviously mean that the Rebbe was a Navi. So give us an example of his Nevuah.
To Sechel
Apparently u saw the video, since u know what he said. I’ll repeat it, “Because of the long exile no Jew can be punished no matter what he does.” So you say he was exaggerating. Maybe the Friedeger was exaggerating when he said that religious Zionism is Kefirah. Maybe Rabbi Cumin was exaggerating when he said the Rebbe runs the world. I understand that you want to defend these people because you’re Chabad but I have to assume that they mean what they say especially because I have heard other Lubavitchers say similar things.
To Yaakov Yosef A
I don’t have to ask him if he’s a Kofer. There’s a video in which he states that because of the long exile no Jew can be punished no matter what he does. You can see the video by going to a site called Musings of a Litvish Yid. The video will immediately come up. Those on YWN know that I don’t make unsubstantiated claims. So it’s no my opinion that he’s a Kofer. Menachem Shmei knows it very well and that’s why he’s ducking my questions. The Mitzvah to be Dan Likaf Zchus only applies when there’s a Sofek.
To somejewiknow
I thank you for your rapid response to my question. That’s menschlich something that Shmei and certain others know nothing about. This said your answer was disingenuous. I’ll accept the first part but not the second and I’ll explain. Let’s examine the first part. Yes Zionism was a secular anti-Torah movement. Well, it logically follows that those who are not secular nor anti-Torah are not Zionists. This excludes all the people you are railing against including yours truly. You then throw in that Zionism today means anyone who wants the State of Israel to exist. That’s not a definition. It’s your biased opinion. I’ll offer a Moshol. Rabbi Miller said that anyone with a TV in his house has no Cheilek in Olam Habo. He then “proves” it. The Mishna in Cheilek says that those who study Seforim Chitzonim have no Cheilek in Olam Habo and Rabbi Miller defines Seforim Chitzonim as TV. So he gave a definition to fit his opinion. That’s called self serving Torah and it’s garbage and that’s exactly what you’re presenting. According to the second half of your definition one must wish for the destruction of the State of Israel
So it follows that you Daven that the Iranian bombs kill as many “sonei Yisrael” as possible. Am I right?To somejewiknow,
Can you define Zionism?
To Yaakov Yosef
I respect your point of view. In fact I was in Shul this past Shabbos and the Rabbi pleaded with us not to speak any Loshon Hora and so I understand the gravity of the subject. This said Rabbi Friedman’s Kefirah can’t be ignored. There is only so far that you can play the Tinok Shenishba card. Several months ago I had an argument on VIN with this liar who tried to convince me that Alan Dershowitz was a Tinok Shenishba despite the fact that he knowingly walked away from Judaism at 29. Hashem s seal is Emes. When Rabbi Friedman stated that one can eat a pork sandwich on Yom Kippur and nothing will happen to him that’s beyond the pale. And don’t play the Litvish game. I’m a Chossid on both sides although now my Hashkahfa is closer to Litvish. Be modeh on the Emes. Let’s discuss this further. If you make valid points I’ll acknowledge them.
To yankel berel
You should know by now that Menachem Shmei only answers questions that suit him. I would suggest that we discuss with our points between ourselves. As an example I brought up Rabbi Manis Friedman’s Kefirah. To be sure, Menachem wouldn’t comment. Friedman stated that no Jew can be punished because of the bitter exile. I have no idea what that means, but I think he’s covering up for his Rebbe who said he’ll save every Jew. Would you care to comment?
To coffee addict
I don’t think it will shut down so quickly because the posts have been less vitriolic than in the past. One thing hasn’t changed of course. Chabad has been proven to be a false religion led by a false Messiah/god.
To ujm
I’ll repeat my question, “Who do follow if two reliable Rabbis take opposing positions?” Obviously you choose the one you want. Along the same line I can reject what Rabbi Gifter and the Friedeger said even though I respect each of them. Checkmate.
To the groupThere are two types of posters toon YWN. One who blindly spouts whatever he heard from his Rabbi and the other who makes up his own mind based on discussions with his mentors. Ujm is a tropical brain -dead Yeshivite incapable of having an honest dialogue with someone who has a different point of view.
To the group
True to form Menachem Shmei has not answered my question. I’ll repeat it. He correctly stated that the Rebbe was stridently anti-Zionist. The question is, “So what?” According to Rabbi Manis Friedman who presumably follows the Rebbe’s shitah no Jew can be punished. So even if the Rebbe held that Zionism is Kefirah there would be no consequences. It’s like the Torah saying that if one dies x, y, or z he gets Kareis. So according to Chabad Kareis doesn’t apply today. Checkmate.
To yankel berel
It’s essential to Chabad theology to believe that the Rebbe was an actual Novi. The fact that it’s nonsense at best and Kefirah at worst means nothing to them.
To Menachem Shmei
There’s an obvious question that emerges from your latest post. We know from the Friedeger Rebbe’s letter that he held that all Zionists are Kofrim. And we know that a Kofer has no Cheilek in Olam Habo. You then state that the Rebbe was even more ardently anti-Zionist than his predecessor. This would imply that he also held that all Zionists are Kofrim. However Rabbi Manis Friedman said that no Jew, even the worst sinner imaginable, can be punished. I’ll give you the opportunity to respond before using my calling card.
To Menachem Shmei
Would you care to comment on Rabbi Manis Friedman’s statement that no Jew can be punished today no matter what he does? Also his remark that we keep Mitzvahs, not because we’re commanded to do so, but because G-d has needs and having us keep Mitzvahs fulfills those needs.
To the group
Hi I’m back. Thanks Yankel Berel for making me aware of this thread. The issue of Chabad’s view of Zionism is interesting but this is more in my wheelhouse. I was told by someone very close to Rabbi Deutsch that he left CH and moved to BP because of the death threats he was receiving.
To yankel berel
You should know by now that Shmei selectively answers questions. He’s a propagandist.
To yankel berel
I’d like to add to your list of actual heresies. I submit Rabbi Manis Friedman who stated that because of the long and bitter exile no Jew can be punished no matter what he does.