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mexipal:
1st of all there is no charedi bashing that is occurring most people that frequent this site (including you i hope) are upset @ the tremendous chilul Hashem the kanaim are causing and not enough of an adequate response by the chareidi gedolim denouncing these disgusting people.
some of the “gedolei torah” that are in the posters may not be gedolie torah, a gadol betorah would denounce what is going on
so far i have heard only a select few do that
midwesterner:
they are not frumer.
just because they where white and black and and cover there whole arms and legs does not make them any frumer. they are not makyem the mitzvot any better than you or me
10952:
tzniut is only a catalyst they are upset because they want that particular building and that the school is tziyoni. secondly the girls that go to the school dress tzniut according to halacha. don’t confuse halachot and chumrot.
in israel it’s a way of life
ohad, shloimie gertner, meydad tasa, yonatan shienfeld
yeshivabochur,
go learn in yeshiva a little longer and get your halachot straight before you start paskening.
why is this foolish question even being posed?
obviously one should be nice and take notice and maybe even strike up a conversation (oh wait, it would be to mentchlichkiet to do that, sorry)
trying my best,
get a life, let 10 year olds be 10 year olds
whatelseisleft,
do you notice what she likes or doesn’t like?
derech hamelech,
what do you mean you are going “to plead the fifth on Harav Soloveitchik ZL” and what do you mean concerning Harav Herzog ZL?
are you chas v’shalom implying that they weren’t gedolim?
i certainly hope not b/c then you can potentially be considered an apikores (based upon the gemara Sanhedrin 99b).
torahls, what do you mean all these “gedolim”
are you tring to insinuate that they were mistaken because i can assure you they weren’t. there is nothing wrong with going to college if it’s done in a proper setting such as YU, Landers, Machon Lev etc… in todays society college most of the time is very much required in order to make a parnasa which happens to be a chiyuv, (for those who are in shock check the gemara kiddushin, the rambam, …) these instiutions produce people who are serious bnei torah and who earn stable parnasa
hockers,
i sure hope you are joking otherwise i strongly pity you for your ignorance and foolish way of thinking.
it’s true people can make parnasa without going to college, however in order to go into solid professions a college degree or some sort of vocational training is invaluable
furthermore, many people don’t realize especially here in israel that one could still go to college and learn torah
so wrong ,the Rambam who you quote uses harsh words for those who don’t go out and earn a parnasa,(btw, in case your wondering the rambam was a doctor, and if you have ever read ????? ???? you will see that rambam’s idea of pas vamelach is totally different than yours, oh but of course you must know more than the Rambam). i baruch Hashem am in a college in Yerushalayim that the entire make up is guys who learn in the mornings (whether it be in the college beis medrash or the yeshiva/beis medrash of their own choice) and take courses in the afternoon, and yes learn in the evening. and the college that i go to has produced quite a lot of talmide chachomim. As long as it is done in the right setting this is the most optimal solution for most real benie torah
so wrong,
it is you who is the ignorant one. when the mishna is pirkei avot states that it means one should not live extravagantly, rather one should live simply but one could do so with experiencing some pleasures of olam hazeh. do you know why a nazir has to bring a karbon chatos after he finishes his nazir cycle. it’s because he denied himself legitimate pleasures that one is allowed to have in olam hazeh.
so please before you comment, fully understand the sources that you are quoting.
so right or so wrong,
tell me at whose expense should this yeshiva guy sit and learn all day. one can still become talmid chachom if one learns and goes to college. i’m sure even you know of people who have done this. and apparently, you are quite ignorant of halacha. one has a chiyuv to earn a parnasa and a chiyuv to learn. for the ???? ?? this should be the optimal and halachicky viable preference.
tyring my best, it’s not for you to judge what her priorities should be, use a bit of siechel
actually, unless the yeshiva guy has the potential to become a big big talmid chachom, then he should of course learn part of the day and go to college or some vocational school the other half/night. this is the most optimal solution. one must earn a parnasa. and it’s not a chiyuv and it’s certianly not halachikly proper to put it upon the wife’s shoulders.
so right,
apparently you have never read the making of a gadol. the gedolim such as harav Aaron Kotler zl and harav Yaakov Kaminetzky would laugh at you for your silly argument
so right,
there is absolutely no tznius problem w/opening the car door on a date,so please don’t try to corrupt the halachot of tznis to promote your narrow-minded and totally incorrect hashkafa
so right or so wrong,
it does not matter if they expect it or not, if you want to be perceived as a mentch you open the door. and secondly who are you to determine who is frumer than who, apparently sinas chinum doesn’t matter to you
so right,
Why are you corrupting the halachos of tzniut? Tell me what is the tzniut problem. (Owait a second, don’t tell me, nothing!!!!) There is nothing wrong w/ being a mentch on a date. If anything it would be unmentchlachkite if one didn’t open the door.
hello, actually is as good as any hashgacha in eretz yisrael. the ou is very strict in eretz yisrael just like it is in america. the ou follows halacha not chumras like other hechshairim. they have the leading poskim dealing w/ any ?????? that arise. take it from me who has a lot of shaichot to the organization.
popa do you ever read some of the comments you write b/c they are getting to be quite ridiculous. you know what maybe the svara for girls paying should be this, since the girls are going to be supporting the guys anyway when they learn in kollel, let them be mekayem zerizim makdimim l’mitzvot and pay for the dates (just kidding). I am currently going out and i pay for all of the dates w/ my own money not my parents. I think it’s basic mentchlachkite that guys should pay for the dates.
popa have you ever heard of Rav Soloveichik, Rav Hutner, they went to university and they became major gedolim. many other talmidei chachomim have gone to college to be able to get a parnosah and yet still learned. Have you ever heard of yeshiva such as yu, landers, and machon lev they learn and go to college and produce talmidei chachomim, so please don’t tell me that it doesn’t accomplish the same amount when it really does.
john doe,
you have no idea what you are talking about, i live in israel and the ou is as good of a hechser as rubin, badatz etc… stop pretending that you know what the matzav is like when you really don’t have a clue
i live in israel so sunday is a regular day of morning seder and college in the afternoon and seder erev at night
smile, there is absolutely nothing wrong about the video. if you are so concerned about what the maccabeas might think then don’t be on this site.
lemony, did you go to college? and if so what was your major, if you are in to computers/ engineering that sector is booming here. also, what are you going to do about the army?
my freind I never chas v’sha;om insulted Harav Soloveitchik ZL, the Rav was matir celebrating thankgiving out of hakaras hatov for what america has done for us. it has no religious implications, it’s just a day to show hakaras hatov. and again if everyone knew as much torah as Harav Broyde then we would all be in good shape
my friend, if you were to know a 100th of what Harav Broyde knows then you would be in good shape. I hope you are aware of the ???? in :??????? ?? that states that anyone who belittles a talmid chachom is an apikoris
wiy or so you claim, you seem to be using labels quite often, instead of doing it that put your money where your mouth is and kive up to what you suggested, (although your post indicates the exact opposite.
hannety, have you ever heard of derech eretz kadmo latorah? if you have may your opinions would be different
helpful, there is no aveira for a brother/father to dance w/ the kallah. learn a little halacha before you comment.
my friend again, i have nothing against the chareidim and how dare you speak ill of one of the gedolie hador?!!! i hope you are aware of the gemara in sanhedrin that states that anyone who mocks a talmid chachom is an apikores. When the Rav zl uses the word brethren he is speaking out of love and rationalism. He strongly disagreed w/the chareidi approach but he never harbored any feelings of sinas chinam towards them. Hence he still called them brethren, as opposed to many of the chareidim who labled him as an apikores.
my friend, who do you think you are when you write “modern orthodox brethren” there is a reason that moshiach is not here today and offensive comments like that only further show us why moshiach isn’t coming yet. Argue through the use of halacha, arguing w/emotion only fuels the sinas chinam.
helpful, it’s not assur as long as it’s done in a tzniusdig manner. by saying it’s assur just displays ignorance, and mod please tell me which “chachomim” were supposedly mivatel this.
helpful, there is taking the torah position and then there is taking the position that tries to distort what the torah says.
WIY there is no halachik problem w/it. It has nothing to do w/ whether the person is “modern orthodox” (whatever the term means) or “yeshivish”. so please don’t start handing out labels, that is what is really inappropriate.
holy brother, any street you walk on you can find boys and girls “hanging out” RBSA is a really nice community. Are there problems, of course there are, any neighborhood has its’ share of problems. However there are a lot of wonderful things that should be said about RBSA.
hakatan, just remember that w/o the state you wouldn’t be allowed to visit any time you want or sit and learn in any of the batay midrashot Israel has to offer, so next time think before you comment!
so right or so wrong, there is no tzinius problem w/bowling.
my friend, it doesn’t really matter if the arguments of the eim habanim smeicha were opposed to the arguments of other gedolim, he was a gadol in his own right, and by the way if you actually read the sefer, his arguments are based on rational thought process, halacha, and philosophy. so before you bash it, read it and you may actually learn something about Judaism
find something else to worry about
anybody who claims that zionism started the trend of arabs wanting to kill jews apparently doesn’t know history in the slightest bit. The arabs yemach shemam have always professed a desire to kill us. The reason for saying the tefilah for our chayalim has nothing to do w/zionism. It is a halacha!!!! Remember w/o these soldiers the yeshivot and the kollilem wouldn’t be able to function. So shame on anyone who doesn’t say the tefila.
Read The Making of a Gadol(the original version).
Tzippi, what are you talking about?!!! I know plenty of people who work and are beney torah. I know plenty of people who work and are talmidei chachomim. So please don’t tell me that it’s either or. That is slap in the face to these righteous jews who follow this practice. They are the ones who truly follow the halacha.
I highly doubt that any of the Gedolim assured the concerts. It was made up by their mesharism who constantly distort everything that comes from them
ben torah, history has proven to us that no lives can be saved by giving up land. it’s not a question of zionist vs.non-zionist
mosherose: you seem to have “talked about ????” a great deal since you started commenting and I take it based upon all your past posts that you are no rabbi
helpful: first of all check the halacha. 2nd of all talking to your wife such as asking as to how her day was or just stam shmuzing (as long as it’s not lashon hara) is integral too maintaining a healthy relationship. application of al tarbe sicha im haisha has changed today
helpful: i don’t wear a white shirt so is guess i’m not a ben torah in your eyes
popa: that is the wrong approach, doing proper halachick research is the better idea. after you do that then then you could make a decision. (as a rabbi in training that should have been your response.)