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I think part of the problem is that we don’t really remember what things were like before these decisions became law. In the old days, police would beat people during questioning, never inform them of their right to be represented, deprive them of sleep for days, arrest family members to force confessions, and the list goes on.
The courts came up with these rules to reign in the police. The thinking is that if the police know that criminals can walk free if the police screw up, then perhaps the police will be more careful. Also, the thinking is that it’s better to let the guilty go free than to imprison the innocent.
Wolf:
We must daven in the same place 🙂 It annoys me alot, but, as happened to you, when I asked people to daven quieter I was told I have no business asking that. I guess you can’t fight city hall.
MDD:
Are you out in the streets on Shabbos trying to stop the Chillul Shabbos going on right before your eyes? Do you go to the churches to stop the Avodah Zarah? Do you go to all the treif restaurants looking for Jews so you can stop aveiros. There’s no end to what you could be doing to prevent people from sinning. Why pick on this one thing?
Toi:
I DON”T have a live and let live approach to talkers. I ask them to keep quiet. But if I am not successful, I don’t stress out about it.
I don’t know why my comment was not posted, unless it ran afoul of the YWN thought police!! I’ll try again.
Talking in shul is bad, but it’s not the end of the world. Perhaps we should all just “tend our own gardens”. If somebody is talking and disturbing you, ask him or her to stop.
I, for one, am equally annoyed when people daven so loud that I can’t concentrate. I am also annoyed by the Yeshiva boys and kollel yungerlite who can’t stop “talking in learning” even when davening is going on. I do my best to daven in spite of what is going on and annoying me.
Let’s all stop trying to show how we are holier than those “other people” and just serve Hashem for a change.
(NOTE TO THE THOUGHT POLICE: If this is not mild enough for you, then just forget it)
Perhaps you could ease your way out of non-jewish music with classical. Mozart, BAch, Beethoven, Boccherini, for example, wrote beautiful music which is not tamei.
GEVALD!!!!!!!!!!! How did this obviously frei Yid (if one can be a Yid and frei) get into this holy site to say bad things about our holy minhag of wearing a black fedora (which obviously can be traced directly back to Moshe Rabbenu at Har Sinai). Shame on you !!! All our holy tanaim and amoraim, geonim, rishoinim and acharoinim wore black hats !! How dare you suggest that just because it gets a little hot that one should abandon a minhag that yidden have been moiser nefesh over for thousands of years!! If you think it gets hot in summer, remember it can get much hotter you know where…..
I have seen MANY times that a person comes into shul after the minyan has started (mincha) and just starts davening S.E. in back of somebody and proceeds to daven such a long S.E. that the other person is forced to stay in place through Chazaras Hashatz, Aleinu and Kadish yasom. I can’t believe that the halacha demands this.
Secular-Frummy: What about punctuated equilibrium? It’s not necessarily a smooth, gradual accumulation of adaptations.
Life DID evolve. To say that HaShem made a universe that only APPEARS billions of years old as way to give people a choice to believe or not raises even more serious questions than it answers.
Rav Blumenkrantz was a talmid of Rav Moshe, zt’l. Rav Blumentkrantz was a talmid chochom and a very sweet person who was always available for people. I had several encounters with him. He helped me and my wife through a difficult time and was sandek for my son. His book on Pesach is what we use and it is something we could not do without.
Recuerdos de la Alhambra by Francisco Tarrega
How could anybody here explain the thought process of the Rosh Yeshiva?
If only the nations of the world could read this thread, they would see what a wise and discerning nation we are and immediately want to become like us.
RABBI Amsallem is a man who was telling the truth. It’s amazing to me how in certain circles, if you disagree you are making a war on HaShem and Torah. I guess there’s only ONE legitimate opinion and everybody else is evil.
I think a man should look clean. I don’t see why he can only look Jewish if he has a beard.
justmyhapence: “To me Mahler is more inspiring than MBD, Shostakovitch more than Shwekey.”
Agreed. I would add Boccherini, Mozart, Beethoven and Brahms.
Yosefc18: “I dont think mozart or bach is any better than whats on the radio nowadays.”
I hope you are kidding about this.
I don’t know what to tell the OP, but I wish we could find what to do with the ba’alei tefillah who think they are inspiring people but really are not.
As for the OP, well, it seems that halakhic Judaism, as lived in the “frum” communities, has no real place for people with artistic gifts. I KNOW people will say that there are plenty of “frum artists” etc, but the we all know the truth. Yiddishkeit (as lived today in “frum” communities) places no value on artistic creation, or any other creation outside Talmudic Scholarship.
morahmom:
Bernstein’s had a “class” all it’s own. and the food was beyond compare.
Morahmom: Not even in the same ballpark as Berstein’s.
I would like to hear from people who like this sort of thing why it is prefereable to Bach, Mozart or Beethoven, for example. I mean to ask if “jewish” music is really better for a Jew spiritually than a Mozart string quartet.
I was single and married a divorced woman with children. I’m happy I did.
Here are some kosher non-jewish novels:
The Plague by Albert Camus
Moby Dick by Herman Melville
Crime and Punishment by Dostoyevsky
Anna Karenina by Tolstoy
Almost anything written by Jane Austen
Animal Farm by George Orwell
Just a few to keep you busy
yekke 2:
Are you really saying that Rav Chaim is the last word and NOBODY has a right to offer a different point of view?
Face it:
THe chareidim in EY are living off the efforts of the non-chareidim. Yeshayahu Leibowitz described this decades ago. As it is now in the Chareidi world, the only way to be authentically jewish is to study torah and live off the work of others. Is this what we really think Hashem wants from us?
As it is, in the chareidi world view, the only way the jewish community of EY can continue to exist is if there is a sure supply of chilonim to do the work the frum refuse to do. Do we really want a system that relies on the continuing existence of Jews who don’t follow the Torah, just so we can keep ourselves pure?
Nobody REALLY wants Mashiach to come. The coming of Mashiach would turn our lives upside down and nobody really wants that. We want ymos hamashiach to be just like it is now, except with korbanos, etc. To live with HaShem as an objective reality in our lives is too much for us to handle. That’s why Mashiach has not come yet.
Tefillah is called AVODAH SheBalev. It’s meant as SERVICE of Hashem, not an interesting and enjoyable acitivity. Try adopting a position of humility and SERVICE to HaShem.
TO Concerned Member and Tahini:
ONCE AGAIN. My suggestion about Wagner was A JOKE!!! So was the suggestion about the Tocatta and fugue. Lighten up
TO On the ball:
I’m saying that even when it comes to classical music, one needs to examine it closely to see if it’s appropriate for a “frum” person.
to nitpicker:
It was a joke!!!
To On the BAll:
Do you think Berlioz plays less to the animalistic side and more to the higher self?
How about Flight of the Valkyries? or the Bach Toccata and Fugue in D Minor?
Self-esteem is another way of saying self-obsessed. Stop making yourself the center of the universe.
Don’t you know that the only REAL yidden are either Litvish or Chassidish. The rest are all modernish tziyoinim.
What about learning during the other parts of davening. I see kollel yungerleit learning during the brachos of krias shema. I also see that when people come into shul, the first thing they do is look for seforim BEFORE they put on talis/tefilin and get down to davening. It gives the appearance of people who regret having to take the time from learning to daven.
The guy who davened in my shul last shabbos. At least he wasn’t shrieking like Shwekey.
If you tell your kid/spouse that a certain thing they do bothers you and they keep on doing it no matter how many times you tell them, then perhaps that’s a sign of passive/aggressive behavior.
To be fair, I think the OP is talking about the fact that some girls who come back from “sem” are idealistic and have no idea what real life is like. They, for example, expect a boy to be at davening exactly on time and to daven like he’s on fire every single day. If they hear that he comes late to minyan sometimes, that might kill a shiduch for that boy.
something that actually sounds like music would be nice.
Maybe some songs that don’t have any loud, shrieking horns and over-the-top guitar solos. Also, I could do without boy choirs.
Is HaShem our servant or are we the servants of Hashem? Instead of thinking of ways to get what you want from Hashem, how about thinking of how YOU can serve HIM? There’s another religion where the god sacrifices himself for man, if that’s what you really want.
What is wrong with writing/saying the word “seminary”. Why must it be “sem”?
I’d like to know why certain topics are forbidden (i.e. censored) on this site. I tried to start a discussion about (I’m afraid to write the topic because I think it will be censored) something and the moderators refused to accept it. What is YWN afraid of, the truth? Why is YWN too cowardly to have open discussions?
LeiderLeider:
“I appreciate your admonition. Guilty as charged. Now that we have established this and I pled guilty, let’s get this out of the way.”
You appear to have contradicted yourself. First, you accuse all Jews of being insincere by not reflecting on their own behavior and then you tell me that my criticism of you is on point but just “let’s get it out of the way”. Where is YOUR chesbon Hanefesh?
LeiderLeider:
The only person you can write about with any authority is yourself. Don’t speak for other people. What can you possibly know about a person based only on some comments or a post on a website? This has nothing to do with trying to ignore a real question, but please, confine your speculations about hypocrisy to yourself.
I agree with Gavra: If it’s so good, then let the girls take out loans and pay for it. Or maybe the seminaries should engage in fund-raising instead of blackmailing the parents. The costs are just too much to be offset by any good that might come of it.
Joseph,
You are not correct. I suggest you take a look at some of the writings of Rav S.R. Hirsch such as letter #7 of the nineteen letters.
Joseph and Gavra:
First, the goy is also a child of Hashem.
Second: Let me put the question another way. Forget for a moment about which person is loved more by HaShem.
Would you rather have a pedophile, drug dealing killer who is a Jew as your next-door neighbor, or a moral, decent non-jew?
intellegent: my apologies
Gavra at work/Joseph: Just so I understand you correctly. A Jew who sexually abuses little children/deals drugs/kills for money, etc. is loved by God more than a non-Jew who lives a decent, moral life?
Intelligent (?):
“My grandfather always says that the lowest yid is better than the best goy! “
Do you REALLY believe that?
What does it even mean to say “better”. Better at what? Do you mean better in the eyes of “HaShem” and if so, would you (or your grandfather) say that a drug-dealing contract killer who also deals in child porn, and is a Jew, is better than a goy who lives a moral, decent life?
Your comment does not live up to the standard of the name you chose for your user name.