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participant > I do count time talking with them as cheated, and talk accordingly. Maybe you didn’t gather that from my first post.
I apologize I did not re-read the post post-spellchecker! I meant exact opposite: “chesed”, no “cheated”. You have human beings in need of interaction. Maybe some of them live alone and come to this place looking for connection, especially now when some people WFH and lack usual interaction. Find out what kind word or advise you can give them, while thinking Gemora or work in your head. Maybe you can turn them towards a better outlook to life. There was a discussion here a couple of months ago about an Iraqi boy who was suddenly approach by a Jew to help as a shabbos goy and was kind to him, and he remembered that for decades.
I had this happen recently. A person I worked with, who has a very commanding personality was railing about how someone in business did not talk appropriately with him. I suggested to him that if he is really a baal middah, then he should be able to control it, and accept that he does not need to command every not very important interaction. It took him a long time to process this new idea.
REbE > Trump is against democracy
Unfortunately, any reasonable critique of Trump will not be heard. After 7 years already of mostly baseless attacks on him, those who believed those stories of Trump tower server beeping directly to Putin’s bankers already believed them, and the rest of us are just numb to the additional stories, especially as it is now seems to be shown that many of them were started by Hillary’s associates and laundered thru several government organizations.
A big picture of accusations of Trump that you would probably agree with: there are no more discussions about Trump’s crime before he was President’ no more about his crimes while he was President; now the only topic is how he handled last 2 weeks before transition. My prediction – soon, this will pass and he will be attacked for channeling Russian donations into his 2024 campaign and that he is planning for 3rd term in 2028.
in addition to using the search coffee room button, you can try searching google directly with this line:
<your keywords> site:theyeshivaworld.com
or just the coffeeroom
<your keywords> site:theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroomGadol, now you are dismissing every step in Thomas’s career s benefiting from conservative affirmative action. With this approach, we will need to dismiss a lot of people.
Gadol, Justice Thomas had very visible senior positions in Missouri and Reagan administration before becoming a federal judge. Juliana Childs seemingly highest achievements are law firm partner and head of SC Department of Labor, Licensing, and Regulation. She may not be that liberal though – her father was a police officer and her mother moved away from Detroit due to violence there.
Dems are doing disservice to their values (and of their voters) if they nominate an unqualified person. Wise Latina seems to be marginalized, nobody is taking her seriously. Justice Breyer was working with John Roberts to find compromises.
Amom, Maybe if the system will notify every obnoxious poster about every obnoxious post, this will invite repeated posts, appeals to higher authority, attempts to game the mods, etc. People get triggered by information coming at them… Ideally, posters should know that they are moderated and behave accordingly, and mods need to just trim occasional mistakes. Maybe just inform posters about their general percentage rejected weekly
There is reshus to take common risks that society accepted as routine. Also, all together modern tech made us all richer than previous generations. So in theory this enables us to learn more and better. This would be a good reason to permit all tech. If we don’t use this wealth correctly, it is our fault
RebE What about the standing filibuster
When davening, we stand when we address Hashem, and sit when we address Jews (shma). So, standing filibuster is the one when the senator gave up on the chamber and calls on Hashem’s help
I work in a shared space with my family and (sometimes gladly) share in whatever others are doing. If you are forced to be in a place with strangers, maybe think about them as family, and count time you are talking with them as cheated ( and talk accordingly). One of the baalei musar was overheard asking a farmer about his chicken and at the same time murmuring gemora to himself.
A practical suggestion: use earphones visibly attached to the laptop and shake ad if you are listening to music.
We were not safer before cars. Cities were full of manure, milk was delivered slow, spoiled, and probably killed more new yorkers than Spanish flu. Nathan Strauss (Macy’s, Lakewood hotel) spent years trying to convince government to introduce pasteurization. New yorkers didn’t trust science then also.
Avram,
I don’t have an opinion on mandates. I am blessed not to be a congressman, a policeman, or a school principal, so I don’t have to make decisions on that. I also think this is way politicized and used by parties for their advantage. Enforcing rules is a very delicate area and there are a lot of gemoras discussing whether society will accept, whether people will be confused or negligent as a result.I am more concerned with my own, and our collective community, human/Jewish obligations and what should we do.
If mods could provide me with the material they rejected, I could try automating their hard work, so they will have more time for editorials.
I am not sure where this conversation is going, but it seems that everyone is confidently assigning their own view to Hashem and then interpreting events from that position. Maybe some humility is in order.
Also, we may be mixing up our Shapiros, the one I mentioned is niftar long ago.
amom, in many cases of elderly, this is something that adds up to “pre-existing conditions”, especially in a moment of crisis when the person is in a nursing home or other similar condition. It is hard to tell a posteriori whether people would have survived otherwise or not. But given sudden bursts of levayas at the time it happens, it is clear that many of those deaths are untimely.
I don’t know to what degree things are predictable. I know several middle aged, medium unhealthy, people who had one case that was mild and next year second – very hard and even ICU.
This was the matter of discussion between Jewish people and Shmuel, when they are asking for a melech and he warns them that it will cost them. People cling to authoritarians that can quickly solve problems. Not sure what can be done short of educating population in civics and davening.
One example of proper approach was Trump refusing to resolve “dreamers” dilemma via executive action and throwing it back to Congress where it should be properly addressed. There was an attempt, it did not work, but the direction was proper.
jackk, I see, but just picture that you are talking to a friend in person and talk accordingly.
R Yohanan told his students to respect Hashem as they do mortal kings – respect to those you can perceive directly is more real. This applies not just to online discussions. Also, people in cars are often less respectful than when walking in front of someone. You often see people cutting others off when driving, but rarely while walking.Maybe the “root cause”, pardon the word, is am-haartzus. People claim to look for “qualified”, but what they really mean is “minimally qualified”, without valuing maximal qualifications. And it adds up – the more “minimally qualified” people get power, the more they continue pushing other mediocre people into positions of power. So, anyone who can string a couple of words to construct an excuse for their failures, can become President, Sec of State, Supreme Justice… You may disagree w/ say Kissinger, but he is no Blinkin’.
Thanks Syag, Marxist, stories seem to reconcile. This seems to shed some light on how Avira’s stringent opinions are formed: they consist of very precise recollections, but contrary opinions do not exist in this memory, so the overall picture gets distorted. As to veracity, here is a first-hand account: I heard from R Shapiro Z’L from Beth Israel Miami that he went to Israel for 6 days war helping out the Army somehow, maybe as a nurse.
Syag, are you asking for numbers to support the joke? sure, here they are,
0.79 fatalities for driving per 100 million traveled miles on urban roads
< 0.5 for flying commercial
but higher for using general aviation – 10harder to find risk of walking – too many articles about benefits of walking a mile or two 🙂
one reference saying waking is 40 times more dangerous. Surely depends on where you are walking – downtown Chicago may be more dangerous than some other places.We seemingly have a glaring disagreement here about R Kamenetsky’s reaction in 1967 between witnesses. This is very uncomfortable. Can we resolve it?
Federalists are not protected minorities. Ilks also.
Avram, I am glad you are getting on board! Indeed, if you were driving for “fun”, like people skiing or NASCAR racing – seems questionable activity for people who have a mitzva to put a railing on their own roof. So, I would say meaningless driving around would be unnecessary sakanah (and bitul zman).
But if you do need to get somewhere, driving is safer and more efficient than walking (and flying is safer than driving) – per mile, not per hour.
ujm, you seem to be reading from a Soviet textbook, maybe absorbed through some American academics. Ukraine actually was a country for a short period in about 1918. Before Russia, it was Poland and Austro-Hungary. Jews went there on their own having an opportunity to work the estates as representatives of Polish nobles. Crimea used to be Tatar, even after it became Russian. Soviets exiled them all (most died on the way) around WW2 somewhere. One reason Turkey is supporting Ukrainians.
A simple point is that country borders were internationally recognized after USSR dissolved on their own. If Russia can claim Crimea, then Germany can claim Danzig from Poland and Kaliningrad from Russia; Poland – Vilno from Lita; Sweden – Petersburg from Russia; and Mongols – the rest of Russia.
All of Europe seemingly learned to live in a modern world without fighting each other, Russia and Belorussia are the only holdouts.
NIRC > Since when has SCOTUS nomination been about the most qualified individual?
American system is built on interests opposing each other. So there are no rules that every decision is done genuinely according to certain ethical principles. Still, there are some social conventions that help make this fight more civilized. In this case, 75% of Americans oppose binning candidates, so this is not appropriate.
jackk > I find myself at times posting things which I do not really believe in
Patient: Doctor, Doctor, it hurts when I do THAT.
Doctor: Don’t do THAT.oops, wrong thread.
ujm, not sure about anglo-saxon men, but Catholics and Jews are overrepresented onthe court for some time.
A good question. I think this is the answer: it is one thing to have courtesy of appointing a woman when none are on the court, or appoint a black man instead of the other (not that this was appreciated by any true progressive), but now we are making a multi-dimensional grid: someone has to be both right color and right gender. This is most weird for the supreme court – that is supposed to consist of lawyers, not representatives of aggrieved groups. During some previous confirmation when the mental ability of a candidate was questioned, someone quipped that stupid people also need to be “represented” in the court.
I second Gadol’s opinion. Religious parties need to come with a positive agenda that does not sound as self-serving. There are a lot of things religious Jews could do in addition to learning.
Yehoshua was approached by malach hamaves for not learning at night, but the malach did not suggest disbanding the army, just combining the milhama shel mitzva with learning a night.
a debate here will be actually interesting if we could use our Jewish norms to argue, rather than repeating partisan messages that have no regard for emes, just aiming to convince someone. It is true for both sides.
for example, the “debt” discussion purposefully conflates spending, often to allies, with reduced taxation. If I take jackk’s money and spend them in a casino and now “we” owe money – is it the same, as if I return money to jackk and now “we” do not have money, but jackk does?
You don’t have to agree with R Berel Wein, but from everything I read and heard from him, he generally knows what he is talking about. People from Chicago probably have more to say. And his own insight are always interesting, again whether you agree with him or not. Not sure why you are comparing a Rav who specializes in history with some non-religious writers. I think people like him who are able to approach an area of general knowledge with a kosher perspective is a precious resource we need to use. Again, you don’t have to agree with everything, but argue accordingly.
Syag, I would be happy to talk, but you are even more cryptic than I, or your humor is way over my head. If you clarify, I’ll try resonding, bli neder.
jackk, it might be a coincidence but all amputations of Ukrainian territory happened under Obama and Biden, and not Trump. Georgia did happen under Bush, but there was some resistance shown there.
It is unprovable but seems plausible that if occupation of Crimea were resisted or lead to real consecutives, then Eastern Ukraine might not have happened.
Unfortunately, half measures (such as light symbolic sanctions) seem not to work here. George Bush played Trump at Budapest NATO summit trying to convince others to have Ukraine and Georgia in NATO until he annoyed them. Maybe there will be a new defensive block consisting of US,UK, Eastern Europe, Ukraine, Georgia, Scandinavians, leaving West Europeans to fight their greatest enemy – global warming. I am sure Estonians can accidently cut through NordStream 2 on their own.
Hm, not black PS, either a different mod or a different mood.
Do mods have mood? Can I ask this in honor of Adar?
I was just reading about one of the Afghani trying to get his special visa stamped in the last days of Kabul, and he was confronted by the over-worked Statie who seemed to be angry at the previous person and talked to him in a rude and loud way for no reason. I wonder whether mods lose balance after an outrageous post, or maybe have a l’chaim to get it back.
Syag > And the saddest part is that you actually see it as a parallel.
there is no parallel, I am taking it seriously, don’t you know there are more people dying from car accidents than anyone who died _from_ covid and flu combined!?!? I hope you are not encouraging anyone to drive and use cell phones, whether kosher, mehadrin, or treif.
PI, I do not like meaningless praise even less than undeserved abuse 🙂 I am frustrated at the daf speed: in person I was able to sabotage it a little with discussion, but it looks ruder on the zoom.
I think it is not so much the pace, but the monotone speed: famous lines and major issues deserve same attention as figuring out whether the mishna is according to R Yosi or not. I get it why the latter was important for the Gemora to develop halakhic patterns, and maybe even for someone in a semichah program, but I would rather spend more time figuring out implications for the modern life (as this is what Bavli is doing – developing a research method, according to Maharal that we discussed here months ago). I am trying to jump off the daf to research sugyot on a side but don’t always have time. That is why I am throwing provocative statements here sometimes – hoping someone will expand on the topic.Mishlei talk about answering a fool. If you see that your answers causes even more problems, then you need to stop. But it may be worth to have at least 1-2 posts, provided you give reasonable factual information once, and then point how the other side fails to respond. This might help the readers, if not the posters. But don’t get into a fight with a pig.
2008 > what ever happened to “Venishmartem meod es nafshoseichem’??!
This is such a naive cry, might have been from 1950s. We know better by now: who said that driving w/ cellphone is dangerous? How many people got into accidents _with_ cellphones, rather than _because_ of cellphones? You should not count “cases” of accidents with cellphones, they are double-counted by lawyers. Furthermore, most people killed in the accidents did not have cell phones! In 1960, ALL people who died in accidents did not have cellphones!! And if you take cell phones from people, you will take away freedom!!! Teenagers driving without cellphones are not able to see their faces for two years already (as they are masked in person). Also, 99% of all accidents are just nothing, especially if you are young and healthy. So, let the old people not use their cellphones! Protect the elderly.
Mod X > We don’t usually let these through
How is this opinion worse than other opinions? Maybe “evil jews” is a bad turn of words, but his thought is pretty clear and he calls Jews not to constantly find reasons to hate. Some may disagree, but there is nothing treif. I am not trying to argue with the mods, just stating that your admonition in this case is not clear to me.
on the substance, you should have no problem with R Yehudah: if he was so strict with a regular baal aveira, kal v’homer with worse cases.
Conclusion of keeping it quiet sounds problematic, maybe that is what you are pointing out. When I questioned that going back to R Yehudah, Rav suggested that maybe at R Yehudah’s time, people would understand this properly, but at later times, they would start thinking worse about Talmidei Chachamim in general. But, I think, the main thing we can take from the gemorah is that this is a trade-off: on one hand, we want to punish openly to show that we stand to the aveira and T’C; on the other – we don’t want people blame all T’Ch when they hear about such cases. If someone ealrned this sugya further, please share.
Note specifically comparison of Rebbes to Malachim – and rejection of “we need him to teach” in favor of “we do not need teachers like that”. This does not seem to be rejected at the end, only the public cherem. Would it be a leap to apply this notion to books of Torah that are same as teaching Torah? does not have to apply to science books, or fiction, or even Jewish songs.
hey, guys, I said “from cursory reading” as a self-admission of guilt and hoping that someone else looked up into that. Stop beating me up. It is the first time I am doing the daf, first after watching the wonderful siyum with the kids (even after realizing that it was way limited in speakership), and then continued as it helps keep up at pandemic and shared it with kids – so that online learning does not become “do as I say, not as I do”. Before that, I preferred short masechtot so that I could finish in a year, and lose a hevrusa at a half the masechet.
>> whether or not .5 and the .50 that was written on the orders was the same thing.
for several people laughing, these are actually not strictly the same:
0.5 means one digit is accurate, 0.50 would mean two digits are accurate (that is NOT 0.51), so should require a more precise measurement. This may be not what the confusion is about, of course.From cursory reading, gemora should fit any related sexual crimes. Did you see a reason not to?
The only team-player VP in recent years was Dick Cheney. Pence tried, but had a difficult boss. All others for the last 40 years were used to win elections and then sent to pasture.
next page in Moed Katan says that when someone is accused (possibly falsely), there was something there – either he did this avera before, or did it in part, or thought about it, or saw others doing it and did not object. Exceptions are when rumors are spread by enemies and when they are short-lived.
This romantic view of workplace is clearly by someone who is still coming of age, or is a victim of the welfare system.
Avira > Tell them you have doubts about if the wars were miracles,
I can answer that, I think: Hashem introduces himself as One who took us out of mitzrayim – because this is what Jews just witnessed. So, someone who was sitting in a tank in 6 day war is naturally talking about that. You would too if you were there.
Avira, re:IDF, I think you are right in terms of ideology there. I do not ascribe it though to specifically attack on religion, but to the real goal of building a cohesive nation the best way they knew. We all have tendency of looking at the negatives – attitudes towards religion, towards Sephardim, but disregarding the enormous challenge of putting together a country consisting of survivors and immigrants from different countries and surrounded by enemies. It is silly not to appreciate their hishtadlut, and Yad Hashem involved into the whole enterprise.
As to Satmarer and your smarting at 6 day war, I would take them serious if you can point out to this sentiment expressed before the start of hostilities. edited
BG7 > Personally, as a Torah-Jew, I am completely repulsed by Trump’s personality,
I understand where you are coming from, I am just wondering whether everything we hear is completely true. There are obvious political attacks, but then there are things that sound true and they still may not be. Some examples – a lot of stories on how he disregards experts and comes up with uninformed decisions. They sounds true. At the same time, we now know that he was persuaded not to follow – or at least delay – his “gut” decisions, such as withdraw from Afghanistan; we also now have current new CDC head saying that she is trying to change organization, so seems like Trump was correct at side-stepping them when necessary. He is also less polished and also often uses his directness to access voters. Obama/Netanyahu relationship was much worse than anything Trump ever said but it only came to surface several times. Just the fact that 6 years of investigations did not uncover anything inappropriate so far – in such a suspicious business as NY real estate … I have some unbiased info: actually watched Trump’s apprentice years ago with an eye on business decision-making, and found a lot to learn from that. All of that not to deny that he has personality flaws, but they need to be taken in the context and comparison to others.
Avira, I see. I don’t know details on what is happening inside of IDF, but from people I met, those who were chilonim before, stayed that way, and those who were datiim stayed that way. With dati leumi, would them going to other paces instead of IDF lead to a similar loss? Probably, yes. I don’t see IDF doing some specifically eveil thing rather than just being representative of the overall society.