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As long as they don’t hog all the space at the bar.
Many years ago I received a solicitation from an organization collecting funds to purchase Rabbeinu Tam Tefillin for those who could not afford to purchase it on their own. It bothered me that this was considered Tzedaka. After a long talk with my Rav I changed my tune. Suffice to say, there are priorities in Tzedaka and this may not ran near the top of priorities. With your tzedaka dollars, ask your Rav for the best way to distribute them according to the priorities set down in halacha.
“And look at the (lack of) place television has today in the homes of frum, ehrlich, families.”
Who needs it unless you subscribe to cable. You can watch it all online.
Very imprtant. Always choose your camp based on the quality of the Canteen. The staff could be the worst, but if the grilled steaks in the canteen are worth the fifteen bucks they charge for them, that’s your place to spend the summer.
I was being sarcastic. I think the entire “shidduch resume” concept should be abolished. It is demeaning at best. If enough females in shidduchim and their parents said no to a “resume” (at least have the decency to call it a bio) and were opposed to attaching photos, people would get the message and stop asking for them.
And the skverre rebbe is saying that one who is filled with yiras shamayim is unlikely to fall victim of the internet. He implies strongly, that ingredient is missing.
Take away “the inernet”, great, the nisayon will just manifest itself in some other way. I’m not into predictions and won’t say what that might be, but someone who is not equipped to handle a nisayon, is not helped in the long term when his immediate nisayon is removed from him, the yetzer hara will simply find another for him. These are band aid solutions, and very good ones, but long term, a generation steeped in yiras shamayim will easily recognize a nisayon for what it is and deal with it. Of course there will always be individuals who do not or can not, but won’t reach a tipping point where gedolim feel the need to fill citi field and address it.
Unfortunately, the situation has come to the point where girls are just commodities, passed from one guy to another by the brokers in the middle. You don’t need a resume, you need a PR kit to make sure you stand out in the crowd. It is no longer good enough that you are a bas yisroel, who is a tzanua, is machshiv torah and bnei torah. Now you also need the ability to produce madison ave style PR kits and generate hype, otherwise you are relegated to the trash heap of shidduchim. Of course, if you or daddy warbucks can flash around some cash, that is always the best PR kit and is guaranteed to generate interest in you.
I’m told, someone please correct me if I’m wrong, that in NS, those who are allowed to have an internet connection (for whatever reason) may have one, however, it may not be in their home, it may be in their neighbors home.
Be that as it may, my point was, and is, everyone is harping on “the internet” and not focusing on the other portion of his statement. Excitement for yiddishkeit. Filled with yiras shamayim. Where is discussion about that part of the equation? If that remains neglected, the “internet” will just be replaced by something else.
DY. The Skverre Rebbe Shlita disagrees with you. He is on record as having said, a person filled with yiras shamayim and a healthy entusiasm for yiddishkeit is unlikely to fall victim to the internet. Unfortunately, too many people live, what R’ Shafier Shlita calls, “robotic judaism”, they are bored and unenthusiatic aboit yiddishkeit. Into that void comes the lure and excitement of “the internet”. It need not be the dark seedy side of the web, it could be something as silly as spending all ones waking hours playing solitair. In conjunction with facing the challenge of the web, is an even greater challenge, how to instill in each and every person the enthusiasm for yiddishkeit and the yiras shamayim that leaves no void for anything labeled “tuma”to enter. enters.
Well, even the sleeve is disgusting because everyone has to see it. Use your shirt sleeve or the inside of your jacket where it is hidden from view. Better yet, use your yarmulka and put it back on your head.
Seems to me that someone is talking to him/herself on this board
“There is no excuse for using the internet where it is not absolutely necessary.”
This is why everyone needs a Rav. What is necessary for me, may not be necessary for you. Perhaps there should be a prequel Asifa, discussing the need for everyone to have a Rav.
For what it is worth. The name was changed to the Celebrate Israel parade.
“Hence the problem. Who is to say that the P’sak will not change yet again in another two weeks.”
This is only a problem for someone whose actions are guided by posters on the wall, printed advertisements via a third party and second hand information about things a Rav may or may not have said. However, one who has a Rav who guides him has no such problem. The bigger problem, as I see it, (in the Litvishe world) is that very few people actually have a Rav. They learn in one place for high school, jump to someone elses beis medrash for a zman or two, go to E’Y for a year or two, go to BMG or elsewhere for a couple of years, then get married and settle into a community. So at the age of say 26, who really knows this person and can be a moreh derech? Certainly his Rav can pasken the black and white shaylos such as kosher or treif, or it is blood or it is not, or no you may not do that on shabbos or this is how to make an eruv chatzeros. Those questions that are more about hadracha can not be answered because the Rav really doesn’t know you as an individual, so, people have come to rely on cookie cutter style psakim that go up on the wall. Those who issue the “psak” are just hedging their bets and hoping to cover all bases. Even the “psak” issued in BMG that was published and reported on in Hamodia (perhaps other places, Hamodia is where I read it) reads more like general guidelines than an absolute psak.
“Here too the fact is that no rov, and kal vachomer no Gadol, wishes to see yidden going anywhere on the internet, filtered or not.”
May I ask the obvious?
“Is he aware you posted it on the INTERNET???”
. Would his message have been different if he was aware it was being posted online?
. Is your concern one of a public forum or the internet specifically? The capital and bold letters are yours, noone elses.
“seems like they provided Rav Wosner with more accurate information regargind the internet.”
Different Posek, different shaila, but the same idea. I heard recently that an Avreich, a baal teshuva, approched R’ Chaim Kanievsky Shlita with the following shayla. His chevra pre baal teshuva days would get together and play basketball on shabbos. He missed the action and wanted to know if it was permitted to play “kadur sal” on shabbos. The Rav asked him to describe “kadur sal” and he told him 5 people joined as a team with the objective of putting the ball in the basket. R’ Chaim asked, is it not possible to fill the basket before shabbos? (I don’t repeat this story to c’v poke fun of one of our leading poskim, on the contrary, it highlights his greatness and how his entire life and being is torah) in other words, what was Rav Wosner told about the “internet” and how it could be used, and what was he asked prior to the asifa – to address the crowd, or issue a psak. Certainly, with more (or accurate) information his opinion on the matter could change.
Personally, I don’t believe the scoreboard operator or his signature in the newspaper. I like to hear it straight from his mouth. Since a lowly peon like me has no such access, I ask my shailos and receive my psakim from my own Rav. I hear what he has to say, if there are any ambiguities I ask for clarification. Psak via newspaper, bulletin boards and other impersonal methods are for me nothing more than a springboard to ask my own Rav.
40000 people filled citi field on yom yerushalayim.
Why are some equating an expression of dissatisfaction with the Asifa as an argument for using unfiltered internet?
May I suggest buying Mishpacha magazine this week to read the letter from the Rosh Yeshiva of Ner Yisroel and his thoughts on the Asifa, Rav Shaya Cohen of Priority 1 and the representative of Satmar KJ. I didn’t read any other coverage just yet, but there are others who wrote as well.
K-9 won’t slow down your computer if you have enough memory. If you barely squeak by as it is with system memory then adding any filter will slow you down, unless you do your filtering at the router level (open dns for example).
K-9 won’t slow down your computer if you have enough memory. If you barely squeek by as it is with system memory then adding any filter will slow you down, unless you do your filtering at the router level (open dns for example).
Download it from their own website or a reputable site like Cnet. Check your anti virus software settings.
I see, would tante be more appropriate for every day usage though? Someone in shul told me he thought they were using some sort of hungarian word which when he pronounced it sounded like “meemeh” (long e at the beginning and short e at the end) instead of a yiddish word. I know less hungarian than yiddish, so I don’t know if he was pulling my leg or being serious.
“It’s interesting that those with a filter think it was a huge success and those without a filter or who have read the coverage from unfiltered sources believe it was unsuccessful,”
Hmmmm. I have filters installed, pre asifa. I’m not sure how successful or unsuccessful the asifa was since I don’t know what the objective of the organizers was and if it was met, but I can say that on a personal level I was disappointed and inspired at the same time. Disappointed because due to language barrier I didn’t understand a lot of what was being said and what I did understand was not something new to me. On the other hand being together with 40000 yidden, davening and saying tehillim with them is by itself a positive experience and a good mussar shmooze to boot is always a good thing. As for the filters. I don’t find them to be limiting my knowledge in any way. I don’t feel like I’m living under some brutal regime that is surpressing me in any way. I view the filter as a matter of common sense to help keep certain things off my screen. In no way does it impede the things I must do online.
Exactly what is “the klal” doing that he is deliberately not.
Google translate translated aunt as momma again for me. Maybe it knows yiddish is not my primary (secondary) language and figures it can get away with anything.
“kedushadik event”
The dichotomy herein is that people had to be mislead regarding the theme of the asifa to get them to come.
“kedushadik event”
The dichotomy herein is that people had to be mislead regarding the theme of the asifa to get them to come.
“I think most people were motivated to attend because they were put under extreme pressure to show up and didn’t want their children getting kicked out of school.”
Don’t discount this at all. My daughters school sent home a letter before Yom Tov apologizing to parents for DEMANDING attendance at the asifa.
Unfortunately, in the eyes of some they also gave away their credibility.
“The same reason he made up words that wasn’t needed”
Like those ancient authentic yiddish words “kuzin” and “kuzinish” to describe male and female cousins (at least according to those “expert” at google).
Now we have a bunch of expert linguists who learned everything they know about language, old and new, from their good friends at google and wikipedia who for the most part probably never heard a word of yiddish in their life. Which brings us back to this thread and the question why an Asifa addressing the use of the web, whose content in english is far greater than its yiddish content, resulting in a requirement of at least a passable command of the english language, was given over in yiddish, especially when a good percentage of those in attendance don’t speak any yiddish.
Speaking of yiddish, don’t rely just yet on the folks from google to translate anything from english into yiddish, the folks at google might want to hire a few yiddish speakers first. “Hello” translates as “a gut yur” and “aunt” as momma.
“What motivated fifty thousand plus members of one nation to come together and hear sermons, reproach, admonishing them and demanding great change and moral refinement.”
Well, I was one of those people, and I did not go to hear sermons of any sort. I went to hear practical advise how to live with internet access, since that is what the advertisements inviting me to attend, stated.
I stopped reading after your opening line since I was clearly not one of the people you refer to. I’m sure whatever it is you wrote, is wonderful. Yasher koach.
Reading between the lines of many posting regarding the Asifa (in this thread, and others) one gets the sense that there was a message that was to be delivered and initial advertisements pointed to that agenda and message. As planning progressed more and more groups held the organizers “hostage” over various items and before anyone knew it, there was a new agenda with a new message.
If we would have walked away from Har Sinai as befuddled and confused as when we waked away from Citi Field……..
MSS. Now, attached to every shidduch resume it is required to include the last 2 web chaver reports. This way, if you don’t like that they read breitbart, you can turn down the shidduch.
Since I don’t speak yiddish, I only know what others claim “the psak” (not to be confused with “the decision) is. I have not heard a unified response so to me it is meaningless. My Rav is OK with my internet access, so long as I have filters installed. That is my psak.
Its no more bittul zman than the latest blog posting in the coffee room. Some people prefer professional basketball to blogging. Personally, plants vs zombies is my favorite form of bittul zman.
“All the Gedolim officially attending the asifa agreed that unfiltered internet is an issur gamur.”
What does it mean officially attending? Did anyone attend unofficially?
Regarding an earlier comment, I remember many people in the section of Citifield where I was sitting all made the same comment “hamibli poskim biamerica”?
What you ignored is, why you felt it appropriate to distribute something, the organizers deliberately chose not to.
As an aside, how do you think they would feel about its distribution online?
Basketball is a descendent of greek avoda zara? Live and learn.
Shmiras Eynayim is a challenge everywhere, not just in front of a computer screen. I think the fixation with the internet takes the focus away from the true problem. I heard Rav Lieff speak on the subject of shmiras eynayim last summer. I don’t think this “asifa” will be fixated on the internet as much as it will be about shmiras eynayim, of which the internet poses a tremendous challenge.
I admit the short shorts worn by the NBA players 35 years ago made me a bit uncomfortable, (ok, I’m lying) but with todays long and baggy shorts, no problems there. I will be following the US kick everyones rear ends in basketball.
I heard a decision was made not to distribute said booklet because R’ Matisyahu Shlita had an issue with something contained within, why are you distributing it?
People do the same with craigslist.
Quick, lets all join Der Arbeter Ring.
Where is Isreal, is it near Beljim?
Some people have overactive imaginations. “misled” is the appropriate word. The brokerage that brought FB to the public was discussing downgrading the stock PRIOR to the IPO. This was all last week, prior to any Asifa. Securities fraud, and if not outright fraud, shady business, has been around long before the internet and facebook.
this is funny.