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She probably put back Oberlander’s non gebrokts cookies.
Nobody views it as a real chashash otherwise you wouldtn eat it the last day.
What do you mean “real”? Assur meikar hadin? Of course not. A chashash worthy of being machmir on? Perhaps, and the last day being d’rabbonon, is not an arbitrary chilluk.
As for keilim a year later the bleios of gebrokts/ “chashah cometz” dont magically disapear
That’s not so pashut; obviously for most issurim we don’t assume 12 months helps, but for some cases we do, so some are meikil for gebrokts which is merely a chashash.
Someone whose mihhag is to not eat gebrokts doesn’t have misplaced priorities if he won’t eat gebrokts.
It wouldn’t even matter to me if it was an optional chumra, but for them it isn’t.
It’s not about misplaced priorities; it’s about respecting others’ minhagim instead of making up bogus reasons why people minding their own business keeping their family minhagim are somehow hurting others.
As I’ve said, I eat gebrokts, and I see no reason to stop, but those who don’t, don’t. I simply can’t fathom being so obsessed with others’ minhagim which are stricter than my own as to figure out how I can possibly turn their minhag into a selfish thing.
I don’t think he means to multiply 3 times the number of milliseconds to get the total number of lavin.
I think he means one is constantly oiver on three lavin.
Maybe they should buy the quinoa sushi, which is cheaper than the cookies.
Oberlander’s tend to be expensive. I think there are less expensive ones.
What types of cookies, how big were the packages, what companies made them?
The same is true in Eretz Yisroel; if you know which hechsherim do not allow kitniyos, it’s not as hard as you think.
He was also not okay with it in some situations.
So you have to contemplate (if you want to follow R’ Moshe) whether your situation is more similar to the ones he was okay with or the ones he was not okay with.
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And what his honor wrote (asked) about whether the minhag of not eating kitniyos is only on Pesach or also erev Pesach, there’s no (need to) elaborate on this since the Chok Yaakov (571: 2) wrote that it is assur on erev Pesach, and he is quoted by the Maharsham in Daas Torah (453).
From the words of the P’ri Megadim, who writes (444) that matzah made of kitniyos is permitted to be eaten, there is no proof (to the contrary), because he holds that matzah is different.
The S’dei Chemed (Chometz Section, 7:20) also writes that the minhag of our rabbis was to eat only fruit, meat, and the like on erev Pesach, which is as if explicitly forbidding kitniyos, and they also disagree with the above P’ri Megadim.
Do not contemplate (to disagree with) this, and one who does (eat kitniyos on erev Pesach) is a fence breacher.
Source for not eating kitniyos erev Pesach: ?? ???? ??”?
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=32461&st=&pgnum=106
Quoted by ??? ???? ?’, ?”?. He calls one who does a ???? ???.
As someone who doesn’t eat non-gebrokst, I believe that I have a right to call my minhag silly.
As someone who eats gebrokts, I believe I have a right to say that I find it offensive nonetheless.
Burn it.
Something similar happened to someone I know. I didn’t hear what they did, other than stop inviting such guests. 🙁
Also, yes, there was cholov stam in the Feinstein home. What does that have to do with the story?
I have as much right to better/cheaper food as someone has the right not to eat Gebrachs
Market forces win. It’s not about rights. What’s weird is that you seemed to make up that food is more expensive because people are makpid on gebrokts, but it’s simply not true.
The inexpensive non gebrokts stuff uses plain (not shmurah, not 18 minute) matzah meal, but to use 18 minute or shmurah would be much more expensive.
I should have added, the host who has the bocher over, makes all his guests also eat matza from the plastic bag
Sure, not to have matzah crumbs fall into his soup.
The message of Pesach is not supposed to be ?? ?????? ???? ???.
When something is assur mita’am minhag, often the minhag was never to be machmir b’shaas had’chak. An example that comes to mind is waiting six hours for Ashkenazim, where we are more meikil for cholim than Sefardim would be.
When it’s assur, though, it’s assur.
If the Rema and poskim say it’s assur, you shouldn’t be afraid to say it’s assur. The fact that there’s some more “wiggle room” doesn’t change the fact that it’s assur.
One of the people he can go to eats Matza from a bag
I have a cousin who eats his matzah in a napkin while turned away from the table.
When I was shopping in the store, I saw MATZA BAGS, meaning plastic bags you put the Matza in to eat it
Did they force you to buy that too?
Ubiquitin,
The minhag is based on a chashash that some whole kernels of wheat remained in the flour, so the minhag was probably for keilim as well.
ZD, nonsense. You could have bought fruit for dessert, or macaroons for $2.50 a container.
If there was an aufruf this week, it would be tough for the future shver to come.
Who forced you to buy it?
If it were really so much cheaper to produce matza meal products, and there was such a demand for it, it would be on the shelves.
ZD, potato starch is cheaper than matzo meal, and nobody’s forcing you to buy anything (except perhaps matzo, wine, meat, etc.).
Why would you assume that?
Do you also assume that when the ??”? says ?? ??????, he also doesn’t really mean it?
I didn’t think you were such a left winger.
It’s not too late…
However, it is also offensive, presumptuous, and frankly just ridiculous for anyone in any generation to look for chumrot on a minhag.
Yet, that is precisely what was done by some acharonim, ??? ??? ????? ???.
Also, the ???? of the ??”? clearly indicates that it is an ?????.
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/tursa.aspx?a=oc_x2208
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????? ?????? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ???
It is based on minhag, but it is an issur.
I don’t think the kal vachomer works. Kitniyos is based on minhag, and the minhag was never on keilim. Matzah sh’ruyah was based on a chashash of chometz, so keilim would be assur.
Why isn’t a halachic discussion a real issue?
I think it’s pretty offensive to call a minhag kept by a large portion of klal Yisroel “silly”.
No, but I’ve read that they’re hard to milk, here: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/rav-moshe-feinstein-chalav-stam-vomiting/page/4#post-607365, and here: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/rav-moshe-feinstein-chalav-stam-vomiting/page/4#post-608360.
It is very irresponsible to buy without checking the package carefully.
If that’s the hardship in not keeping kitniyos in Eretz Yisroel, that you need to actually *gasp* check the package, we define hardship very differently.
Pretty interesting how people don’t back down from their opinions which are based on misinformation, even when given the facts.
Anyhow, the reason I bumped this is because it’s still fascinating to see the left wing doing backflips to denigrate the minhag of kitniyos (and certainly some applications of it), and it still begs the question of why.
Bump
ZD, I was discussing Eretz Yisroel.
Probably tastes good enough to be worth the effort.
LC,
That is hardly the only reason for kitniyos.
Plenty of Ashkenazim are able to avoid kitniyos without a problem. I don’t see why a ten minute discussion with someone who already knows which hechsherim can be used by Ashkenazim shouldn’t suffice.
If I had a son-in-law who was makpid on gebrokts and keilim, I would kasher or buy new keilim, and perhaps designate some for gebrokts (and we would eat any hot gebrokts on disposable dishes).
I could give up my kneidlach (or the incont of having a special pit for them) for shalom bayis.
perhaps that young COUPLE should invite those parents to THEIR home for Pesach. Problem solved.
Many young couples live in small apartments and don’t even walk in an entire Pesach.
Same city, different neighborhoods.
Not really – he’s referring to two tekufos after milchemes Gog uMagog, and the spiritual elevation that will take place.
I’m not the person (and this probably isn’t the place) to discuss Kabbalah; I just searched and found this, which I think shows that a) the concept exists, and b) it’s probably not a gemara, but it is a midrash.
I would guess if he quotes a midrash, it’s not a gemara.
I don’t know why you say “conquer”; he says:
???? ???? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ?????
Leshem quotes it as a Midrash.
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37426&st=&pgnum=115&hilite=
He doesn’t know where it is.
The polar bear ate an apple.
Horse milk.
She said she had to be at work, even though she didn’t want to.
Iy”H b’karov.
Agav, you don’t have to be konah the mints if you don’t want to, and they are probably not chometz, just kitniyos.
I hope they give you off for the rest of Yom Tov.
Meno, the people buying it and feeding it to the animals are.