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Rav Sholmo Zalman is not the only Posek on this issue. Rav Moshe had a different opinion
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Lifnim Mishuras HaDin can only apply Bein Adam L’atzmo. As soon as you advocate it on someone else, you have changed it.
What do you mean, “changed it”?
KS, I’m not either, but we can feel it a bit. Do you really think the aveilus for the chudban is an exercise in futility? It’s surely not, even though we certainly don’t feel it the way we should.
Sam, their rationalizing that it’s from a Torah perspective doesn’t make it so.
This is not twisting halachah at all. Lifnim mishuras hadin and wanting to feel the aveilus is not merely acceptable in halachah, it is preferable and desired.
The state has to deal with the reality as it is.
How can you possibly say you’re not guessing when you didn’t even guess correctly?
OO’s emotions come from a secular worldview, and secular values have no place in halachah. Then they end up twisting halachah beyond recognition to fit their agenda.
There are feelings and emotions which are part of Torah values and most certainly are part of halachah, although of course like anything else, various factors need to be balanced.
The entire purpose of the aveilus of bein hametzarim etc. is to feel the churban and galus haShechinah, and saying that it’s not an area in which someone with the proper hergeshim looks for kulas is pashut.
Nothing anyone said is outside of halachah. The basic halachah is not to bathe. Yes, an istenis (which we probably all are nowadays) is allowed, but is there a chiyuv? No, and if he feels that he wants to feel the tzaar haShechinah (kiviyachol), is that something to be scoffed at? Should we not bemoan the fact that that too many of us (and I include myself) are more interested in our physical comfort than in feeling the aveilus we’re supposed to feel?
That’s why Sam highlighted the fact that they want to be videoed.
And my point was that it wasn’t OO when anyone else said it either, and if you can’t tell the difference, you should stop guessing.
Miriam377, refuah sheleimah.
I do occasionally call a rav hamachshir to ask about his policies. That is only part of the picture, though. I first need to know whether he is reliable, and whether he reliably implements and enforces his policies. In the context of an overall assessment of the quality of a hechser, providing a phone number is relatively insignificant, especially since, as you mentioned, it’s easily found.
So does that mean that he gets to say OO type stuff??
Nobody is stopping the halachic process. You, however, are not understanding that what Annonymouschochom is saying is part of the halachic process.
Perhaps feivel expressed it better than I can, but you are taking the “spirit of the law”, as Rabbi Spitz phrased R’ Shlomo Zalman’s comment, out of halachah, and it belongs there, even if as lifnim mishuras hadin.
By scoffing at and/or dismissing what Rav Shlomo Zalman is saying, you don’t do halachah any justice.
While you may be correct that “how we show what we feel is defined by Halachah”, you are not correct that in hilchos aveilus, how we feel isn’t part of halachah.
Sam, I’m afraid you’re the one missing the point.
Sam, you need to apologize not only to Annonymouschochom and Syag, but to R’ Shlomo Zalman Auerbach as well. They are all making the same point.
It is you who have made a new religion, one that has no emotion and is completely dry. Yes, we need to follow halachah, but, to quote again from the article ZD so kindly linked:
???? ???? actually assumes that the ?”? is referring to removing the insect with a spoon.
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41315&st=&pgnum=184&hilite=
?”? ??”? ?”? says that if a fly falls into your drink, it is ???? to remove the fly unless you take it out with some of liquid.
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/tursa.aspx?a=oc_x1575
?”? ?”? says it’s because you’re taking some ???? with the ?????.
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=50327&st=&pgnum=737
???? ??? ?”? says that taking some ???? with ????? isn’t a ????, and the reason the ?”? is ???? that case is because you’re not separating at the point of mixture.
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14336&st=&pgnum=161&hilite=
Also, see the contemporary ???? ?????? (it’s on the previous page in the ?”? I linked) who says ??? ??????? that using a spoon because your hand can’t pick up a liquid isn’t considered ????. This is what I meant, but you made a great point that we don’t Ned to come in to that for this case because it’s ???? not a ???? ????.
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=50327&st=&pgnum=736
That someone shouldn’t have been him.
CY, your point works for the Chazon Ish’s understanding of the Taz as well.
You badly missed my point. You weren’t suppose to believe me, except the last line.
My point was that you don’t ask the rav hamachshir how good his hechsher is, you ask an objective third party.
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It helps that they look beautiful and smell good.
So it’s slightly preferable to give flowers rather than a rock, which also doesn’t do anything.
Wikipedia:
“The Arts Center Station is an underground metro station on the Red and Gold lines of the Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority (MARTA) rail system.
The Arts Center Station has four levels: the platform level, the mezzanine level with fare gates facing onto West Peachtree Street, bus bays for bus feeder routes, and the upper level which is located across the street from the Woodruff Arts Center. This is the ninth-busiest station in the MARTA system, handling an average of 14,500 boardings per weekday.
It provides access to the High Museum of Art, the Woodruff Arts Center, the Museum of Design Atlanta, Savannah College of Art and Design, Colony Square, the Center for Puppetry Arts, the CW Music Complex Midtown (Center Stage, The Loft, & Vinyl), the 14th Street Playhouse, DeKalb’s House, Peachtree Station (Atlanta’s Amtrak station), One Atlantic Center, the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra, weekday Xpress bus service, Cobb Community Transit, the EarthLink headquarters building and the Alliance Theatre.”
As opposed to Mara D’asra, or Mara D’atra, which refers to the local rav (which might be what you meant).
I called and asked him if he’s reliable. He told me that his hechsher is the most reliable in the world.
I know he’s telling the truth. Would someone who has the most reliable hechsher in the world lie to me?
(This has nothing to do with how good the Vaad is, rather, how futile it is to ask someone about himself whether he’s reliable.)
Another dumb question.
The reason to meet with the PM (such as the Chazon Ish with Ben Gurion) is to salvage as much for Yiddishkeit as possible, whereas the reason you reshaim meet with achmendinijad and the like is to hug them and show them support.
Apology accepted.
And in the spirit of beis hillel and beis shammai, if you come to my house for a bbq, I’ll tell you which things were cooked in totally dirty pots.
If I came to your house, I would expect you to a) serve real meat b) not use pots for a BBQ.
Don’t be nispoel from this poll. Trump is a wacko, so he will get most of the wacko vote. The normal candidates are all dividing up the normal vote, and there are, what, thirty other candidates? So he’s got more than anybody else, but it’s not a big deal.
Once they’re down to two or three candidates, he will be outpolled.
Dumb question. None of those kofrim called for the destruction of gantz klal Yisroel (or even if you fool yourself into thinking that’s not what achmendinijad wants, the millions of Jews living in Eretz Yisroel).
So even if the Israeli prime ministers are/were not tzaddikim, they’re not as big sonei Yisroel as you guys.
I never said Rav Shlomo Auerbach permitted it.
The article you got your information from did, yet also severely qualified the heter.
Your earlier post sounds like a blanket heter, yet the article from which you drew the heter clearly says it’s not. To quote:
One should take a quick shower in water as cold as one can tolerate (preferably cold and not even lukewarm).
It is preferable to wash one limb at a time and not the whole body at once. (This is where an extendable shower head comes in handy). If only one area is dirty, one should only wash that area of the body.
None of the sources you mentioned are footnoted, although they, and others, are mentioned.
You also neglected to mention the important conditions and qualifications.
It is not a kiddish Hashem when you are riding the subway and you smell worse than the homeless bum who is sleeping there.
If you sit right next to him, everyone will think it’s him and there’s no issue.
So it’s how you’re applying it that’s wrong.
I think I might have had something to do with that one.
I’ve definitely changed my mind on some halachic issues – mist on subtle points, one or two not so subtle.
I’ve also learned which issues are very sensitive points to some people, although I don’t know if I’ve actually changed my mind about too many hashkafos. My hashkafos have been pretty well thought out from before I ever joined the CR, although discussing/debating has helped me crystallize them.
You forgot to put “5.” before “The Wolf”.
Great idea, though.
Doesn’t R’ Moshe give GAW’s logic explicitly in that T’shuvah? That it’s just Lo Yitachen?
I didn’t see it either, although I didn’t read the entire teshuvah.
Besides the fact that you probably imagined that, R’ Moshe’s “lo yitochein” would be based on kol haTorah kulah and nothing else, so it would be a huge bizayon to even use the term OO in the same sentence (which I actually just did…).
R’ Moshe says l’hedya that it’s not yuhara to be machmir.
I believe that in at least one of the teshuvos he just says raui l’hachmir without mentioning baal nefesh.
Certainly, in that famous letter to R’ Weinfeld, he says it’s not l’chatchilah.
So your mesorah (or how you’re applying it here) is wrong.
That’s not halachic. It’s perhaps pseudo-halachic or even anti-halachic, but definitely not halachic.
That was pretty rude, DC MUTO.
Cute.
You are older than me, but I have no problem accepting that TV and movies were a lot cleaner than they are now. I don’t think it would have been considered acceptable in some frum homes to have a TV and watch movies had the changeover not been gradual.
From Wikipedia: The first chalav Yisrael dairy farm on the East Coast of the United States, and possibly in the entire United States, was started by Isaac Balsam in 1903, and remained in business until 1955.
It might have been a small operation, though.
If I were a betting Gavra (or a bit more OO)
It’s a good thing you’re not, and realize that your theory is shtus.
With all the talk about how goyim dress/dressed, it should be pointed out that pashtus, there’s an inherent aspect of covering the head – modesty and subjugation to the King – which doesn’t change with the times. The changing styles indicate that society has regressed in these areas, but we shouldn’t.
So while one may argue that it’s no longer an absolute chiyuv to wear a hat to daven (which is harder to argue for a jacket), it’s pretty clearly at the very least a maalah.
See ‘?”? ?”? ?:
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14170&st=&pgnum=147
Perhaps there isn’t a HL”M for rotzeach regarding a historical date, while there is for animals. I don’t know where R’ Moshe saw it in the sugya.
Apparently, this is what R’ Moshe saw in the sugya, but it shouldn’t be a big chiddush: zil basar ta’ama. The reason for the chilluk in the onesh of harag as hatreifah is that the consequence of his action isn’t as bad.
His point about HL”M perhaps is based on assuming that it falls under the category of shiurin (gemara Sukkah).
Redleg, I’ve never read those books, but it’s entirely possible that they’re fine, if what you describe are the only themes.
However, this can’t be said for the vast majority of secular literature, and how do we determine which books are in the small minority?
So you think that people think it’s perfectly fine? So find those people and ask them why. (You won’t, because they don’t exist, and Torah613Torah is correct that it’s thoughtlessness not malice, but incorrect that the issue is disrespecting the seforim. It’s mostly a bein adam l’chaveiro issue).
Sam, it is inherently invalid, and unquestionably, if I ever saw a place with such a “minhag”, I would attribute it to politics and their own gaavah.
B”H I have never seen such a thing.
Sam, at best it’s non-halachic.
All zeh anu danin if it’s “fleishig gomur lkol hadaos”, and it isn’t, as you describe it. “Proper ingrained with meat at heat” is bliyos at worst, and who knows if by turning it on for a few minutes you haven’t actually kashered it?
Then you owe me an apology for being machshil me to insult you for the wrong thing.
I thought you might have meant that. I don’t think a hechsher makes it al daas Yisroel. (I think that’s the only reasonable way to not think Thomas’ English Muffins are assur.)