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Have you never heard of geneivat da’at?
It’s also geneivas mammon, as his salary is being paid on false pretenses.
And I thought it was directed at me.
T613, I would ask a shailah, but I think the answer would be yes.
Talmud, there was a lot of down time between posts.
We’re not going to get anywhere like this. I already said it’s circular. If you want to stick to the rules of logic, you can ch’v denounce the entire Yiddishkeit, since we consider A”Z to be bad, and l’shitosom, that makes us bad.
Cherrybim, he very well may have been meikil baal peh or in writing somewhere else, in certain cases.
ROB, as I mentioned on the other thread, the minhag haolom is definitely to avoid recorded music as well (if I’m not mistaken, you originally said that even live music is okay). You can’t disregard that, unless you’re specifically part of a group which is meikil. If your screen name, for instance, indicated that you were a Chaim Berlin talmid, that would be a different story, as R’ Hutner was meikil.
Sam, I’m going to guess that some may be extrapolating that heter from the B”Y being mattir certain cases, such as music for workers doing physical labor, to help them work (which would, agav, indicate that for exercise it would be muttar).
However, l’aniyus daati, there’s a chilluk. In the B”Y’s case, the purpose of the music is not for the enjoyment, it’s for the motivation. In the case of a nervous person, she does need the enjoyment, albeit to calm her nerves. Hence, R’ Shlomo Zalman was only mattir b’tziruf that the type of music he’s talking about is of questionable issur anyhow.
And wasn’t it you who was mevazeh a MO rabbi?
I would only denounce one who was specifically denounced by gedolim or my rebbeim. I would not denounce a rabbi simply because he’s MO.
And saying that you don’t respect a talmid chacham, and especially saying that he isn’t one, is indeed being mevazah him.
And, as I said, I agree with GAW that it’s circular. My macho’oh still stands.
Did you Google druckman conversion supreme court?
Rikudin Um’cholos actually refers to dancing. Rikudim are with one or two people, m’cholos are with many people in a circle.
Sam2, I didn’t find it in the B”Y. I did find a similar heter in Halichos Shlomo, for chazzanus and classical music for a sick woman. (Moadim, ch. 11, Orchos Halacha 54). He seems to be mattir slow music, though (???? ??????? ?? ????).
Sam, were there rikudim um’cholos?
Sam2, I’m not questioning the heter, it makes sense. I’ll bl”n check out the B”Y. Cherrybim keeps on quoting R’ Moshe on it, and not providing a source, and oddly, he now cited three teshuvos, none of which say this heter.
As far as slow music, I actually questioned R’ Belsky on this, because he’s against fast acapella music because it brings simcha and is associated with “rikudim um’cholos”. So I figured, mah nafshach, if so, then slow music, even instrumental, should be okay (and someone whom I respect paskened this way). He didn’t agree, but didn’t really explain.
Yes, it’s circular. So is the issur of being an atheist.
I guess he is hurt, but I still must defend the kavod of these talmidei chachonim, and so should you.
R’ Moshe himself seems to consider liquid soap a chumra, and many others, including the Aruch Hashulchan, were entirely mattir.
Sam addressed your historical argument.
Your attempt at dividing recorded music from live music is a sevara, contemplated and rejected by almost all poskim.
Pm? If that stands for private message, the answers is no, unless you can somehow figure out their email address, and many would consider such contact an invasion of privacy.
Some people run businesses via a yahoo e-mail address and switching to gmail means you will lost customers (as they know you by e-mail address) and suppliers know you by e-mail address
Its not so simple to switch then.
ZD, that doesn’t explain why he took a Yahoo address in the first place, and why he doesn’t use forwarding or the paid version.
Why do feet smell and noses run?
Why do we drive on a parkway and park in a driveway?
If 7-11 is open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, why is there a lock on the door?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
My apologies to those who I may have offended. I’ve been using the pay version for so long that I didn’t realize that the free version is designed to be offensive.
You’re too kind. I believe that you are owed an apology from a couple of other posters.
You’ve also just given me another way to be dan l’kaf z’chus someone with a yahoo email account. For that I thank you.
And it’s just as easy to use gmail.
True, probably easier, I hear. I happen to have a Yahoo account because I needed to join a frum group, but I don’t usually go on the site; I have the emails forwarded to my gmail account.
Sam already addressed your question. You didn’t address mine.
What does liquid soap have to do with it?
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Thank you.
You missed my point. He said he doesn’t respect them, not that he follows the opinion of other talmidei chachomim.
There is no defense for not respecting R’ Dovid Feinstein, R’ Shmuel Kamenetzky, etc. (not to exclude anyone on that list), and then to defend himself by claiming that they’re not talmidei chachamim.
You only say the bracha on a king who has absolute power – such as the power to sentence someone to death on a whim. Since Obama does not have that power, you don’t say that bracha.
Some hold that the ability to go to war, and the ability to pardon, are sufficient to make the bracha.
The Bosch MUM6N10UC is available with free shipping on Amazon for $400.
ROB,
Again, R’ Moshe clearly assers (and Sam2 had earlier sources as well).
Unless you have sources to back up your claim, you are arguing on R’ Moshe, which is not a very good idea, and quite arrogant.
O.C. 1-166; 2,-95; Y.D. 2-137
All three of those deal with the issur of music. None of them mention anything about a heter to calm one’s nerves.
Maybe it really is muttar; I don’t know, but you keep on saying that R’ Moshe says this heter, but haven’t been able to cite it.
Ask her.
ROB:
You think you’re smarter than R’ Moshe.
On that other thread, you were soundly refuted.
an opportunity came along to buy a very lightly-used Magic Mill
Probably, she didn’t like the Magic Mill and wants to trade up for a Bosch.
I thought hillel and hallel were correlated.
They are. That’s why korech on Yom Ha’atzmaut. Also, zecher l’Korach.
Troll (maybe a familiar one)
Gavra,
The principles behind the halachos were given, so point 1 still requires point 2.
Thanks, Health and Sam. That doesn’t help me for tonight’s supper, though. 🙁
The disputes are over which piskei halachah were given.
Oh, no, not again!
I thought it was funnier
I agree.
I don’t agree with defending truthsharer. You can’t defend bizui talmidei chachomim by claiming they’re not talmidei chachomim. That just compounds the avlah.
No, ZD, Rav Brook just said that the fellow involved (a baal teshuvah IAF veteran) asked a posek (according to the accounts I saw).
Oomis, refuah sheleimah.
I have little respect to no respect for anyone who gives me an email address that is from yahoo.
That’s not fair. They could br using it through Outlook.
Black label wine? You mean whiskey, I think.
I think I’m going to try and get a shawarma tonight. It’s similar to how the korban Pesach was eaten, so it’s real Jewish food.
You know a place that has the real lamb shwarma? I’ve only found chicken or turkey.
if the Hamon Am will mock him.
Define hamon am. The Gothamist? The leitzonim on the CR?
There’s also a fine line between considering being machmir a midas chassidus or simply not employing a kula.
Are you sure you aren’t allowed to eat it anyhow? What if they don’t get it? They think it is Kosher and you are making a huge Chillel Hashem by putting up a fuss.
😉
You will be blue after spending $150 for the Bottle of Johnny Walker Blue
I’ll have my cousin buy it for me.
(I never compared them but I probably couldn’t tell the difference either).
How many people would have rationalized and eaten?
But for the life of me I cant tell the difference between Johnny Walker Black and Johnny Walker Blue
Of course you can. One’s black and one’s blue. 🙂