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A suggestion: maybe don’t insist on anything, but call everyone (at least the males) by their title and last name, and hope they do the same. If not, by calling them Mr., you’ve still made a statement.
Most important is that you act in a professional way.
Bring all possible ideas to your rov for guidance.
Does going to Iran and meet with Ahmadinejad count?
How about meeting MANY Rashas in Iran at a Holocaust Denial conference
Yes (they didn’t merely meet, they showed support).*
Lets not forget appearing ON SHABBOS On the DIAS (They did not speak) at a Pro-Palestian Rally In Washington DC
I don’t know about that.
zahavasdad – when oh when will you stop lying constantly?
Everyone knows that a fringe group of 15 people have been to Iran. they have no support from any Satmar Rebbe, or Eida Chareidis. Letters condemning their actions were published on this website.
Keep up the lying and outright fabrications….and then quickly scurry away into the darkness.
He didn’t say it was Satmar or Eidah. I brought up NK paranthetically, and that is what his response was about. Save your attacks for where they are warranted.
DY?
see * above
GAW,
Every shittah in this debate probably can be traced to a single source.
Certainly, anti-zionism is central to Satmar, but it’s far from their sole reason to exist. It’s a part of their vision (or version, for the cynics) of pure, unadulterated Yiddishkeit, but not the only part.
anon1m0us,
Because they feel it is unfair to the second wives to have competition (called tzarah by Chaza”l).
They believe in bein adam l’chaveiro, not bein adam laMakom.
Health,
mdd -“Quite frankly, I am tired of writing the same thing again and again.
And quite frankly, I am tired of reading your same Naarishkeit again & again!
I was waiting for such a response. 🙂
Do you consider Not going to the army a Taanah that is fair and reasonable?
Mdd was referring to taking money, not joining the army.
HaKatan,
It’s implicit, not explicit, but because it’s implicit, I wouldn’t wear it.
And it’s not true for any organization; if I wear a Wildlife Conservation Society sweatshirt, it’s not because I support them,it’s because they gave me a free sweatshirt when I signed up (as a way of saving money on the zoos/aquarium).
GAW,
Interesting point, but notice that he was told to be chozer, the Divrei Yoel and Beirach Moshe left no such instructions. And as Health correctly points out (and this is a better argument), this is not a da’as yochid.
Read some of the Steipler’s letters defending the Neturei Karta (of his day, no connection to some wacko reshaim who currently use that name). Even gedolim who hold of voting appreciate the valid kanous of the anti-voting shitah.
Zahavasdad:
He then e-mailed me a fasimile of the ad and then snail-mailed me the actual flyer.
Can i have youtr addresses please? I’d like to mail you a copy of my deed to the Brooklyn Bridge, it would certainly convince you.
I guess Rav Kanivesky isnt really a Charedi Rav
and,
So how do you reconcile that Rav Kanivesky said one should vote in THIS election.
You obviously don’t know what the Eidah Chareidis is. (R’ Chaim is not a member.) You really shouldn’t be commenting on charedim when you are so ill informed.
JHF,
Are they Ashkenazi or Sefaradi?
147,
The Divrei Yoel was a bar plugta, and more importantly, didn’t use the disrespectful term “trash talking” about the Chazon Ish (who, by the way, also paskened not to say Hallel on yom haatzmaut).
According to your definition of disrespectful, when you say that Hallel, you are disrespecting the Chazon Ish. (Once you’re looking up the definition of “disrespectful”, you can look up “penultimately)”. 🙂
DBM,
18 seems to want the name of a tax deductible organization.
Yaakov Doe,
Does a child who is given only a few years to live (l’a) have a bashert?
I don’t let my wife drive my car because it’s kli gever. Her car is pink, so it shouldn’t be maris ayin.
Besides, the Charedim obviously consider the gedolim I am referring to to be the manhigei hador.
It’s pretty silly to expect them to follow those you mentioned.
I hope Norms doesn’t get hurt too badly.
I hope nobody plans on rooting for the red socks. They’re bad for shidduchim.
Apy,
Did you end up reading the article? The author writes that without enough young men in the shidduch pool, no matter how many shidduch meetings and nose jobs there are, there still won’t be enough boys for all of the girls to get married. He could have added that no matter how many trips to Amukah are taken, and how many shofros are blown, there still won’t be enough boys.
No, unfortunately, I don’t think it’s true. case in point: there are some people who remain single their entire lives.
In the Meah Shearim area.
Benignuman,
So I guess that you are infallible, if you think your opinion is more likely to be right than theirs.
If R’ Schach or the Chazon Ish say a pshat which I “disagree” with, I break my head to try to understand it, because I know that they’re much more likely to be correct than I am.
Even more to the point, if my rov gives a psak which I don’t “agree with”, I follow it nonetheless. This is actually a better analogy in one sense; the decision to join the army or not is very much a halachic one.
All well and good, but you people aren’t the ones dealing with sholom bayis issues. Those who do (at least in the American Yeshivishe velt) recommend that the boy be at least 22 (obviously there may be exceptions).
Machshavos:
1) Yes
2) I did better than that. I ridiculed the question. If I must spell it out, nobody should be legitimizing people and organizations who don’t believe in Torah shebaal peh. He’s also oiver on lifnei iver (it’s assur to say and assur to hear words of kefirah).
WIY,
I would expect a better argument from you than that.
Apy,
Good pickup. Age gap should have been reason 6.
Mdd,
First of all, I did not intend any personal insult. Now back to our discussion.
Even based on your premise that the frei used to willingly support learning, there are still big people, even today, who are perfectly capable of determining whether taking government money and sitting and learning is a chillul Hashem.
I’m curious as to your sources.
I imagine that they don’t go to the kosel so as not to benefit from the Zionists, am I correct ?
Mdd,
You keep on insisting that it’s a chillul Hashem, based on a self made definition of chillul Hashem! There are poskim, starting with the Chazon Ish, who have paskened that it is not a chillul Hashem. Can you really blame people for following the Chazon Ish’s psak rather than your twisted definition of chillul Hashem?! (Your definition doesn’t become correct because of bold lettering, by the way.)
ZD,
Because you believe everything you read in the papers. People who know the various parties personally have a much higher regard for him than for his accusers. (I know this from speaking to one person who is not a Satmar chossid, but does business in Williamsburg, knows all of the parties involved and thinks he’s innocent, as well as speaking to another person closely involved who doesn’r personally know the accused or the accusers, and personally thinks he’s guilty).
This doesn’t assure his innocence, but it’s unfair to vilify a community which is making an assessment based on knowing the people involved.
Torah613613torah,
As a man, I would still never wear a tzaha”l sweatshirt, because of the political connotations.
My point is that I can see someone wearing it not as a political statement, but rather as a show of personalsolidarity with the soldiers.
No, WIY, they truly believe in his innocence.
Yes, Oomis, but I read that post as referring to appealing a psak.
Akuperma,
I saw your comments on the article about R’ Gershon Edelstein, Shlit”a. You’ve got it all wrong. The gedolim in E.Y. who support elections do not have an issue with those who legitimately follow theshitah of the Eidah Chareidis and Satmar. Read some of the letters from the Steipler, zt”l. He strongly supported voting for Agudah, yet defends the Neturei Karta (of his day), saying that their kanous is necessary. The two are not exclusive.
147,
They are following the shitah of their uncle, the heiliger Divrei Yoel, and your words are quite disrespectful.
There’s a difference between showing support for the state, or for the individuals who, l’maseh, are putting their lives on the line to protect Yidden.
I greatly respect the Satmar shitah, but it’s not the shitah of the litvishe gedolim, who did show gratitude to soldiers.
613,
Also that we won’t defend ourselves from those that are trying to kill us?
Wolf,
There’s a logical flaw in your argument. Even if conviction in a secular court carries no weight, that doesn’t mean that anyone convicted is therefore definitely innocent!
Torah613,
Recognizing tzaha”l is not the same as recognizing the state.
R.T.,
What I’ve heard, although I have no source, is that the German minhag to have bochurim wear a tallis began when there were laws enacted against marriage, and this prevented recognition of who recently married.
ZD,
The community wholeheartedly believes that he is innocent.
Wolf,
Are you really comparing a case in which the evidence is overwhelming, to a case in which the evidence is circumstantial?
It’s cold.
From Tikvah Center’s site:
The foundational premise of the Center is 1) that the study of Jewish law can profit immensely from insights gained from general jurisprudence
Sorry, but Abaye and Rava, the Ri”f and Ramba”m, the Ketzos and Nesivos, don’t need any help from secular jurisprudence.
And if I need to explain why a female rabbi (or any rabbi from a non-orthodox stream) should’t be given the podium in an Orthodox shul, then I’m on the wrong website.
I wonder if it would help if people in such situations were made aware that other Halachic solutions exist and that there are rabonim who are more Meikel.
It sounds like you are advocating kula-shopping. If one received guidance from his rov, unless he hes permission from his rov, he should not ask another rov.
147,
It has no grounding.
This fallacy is based on 2 Pesukim in Parshas Ki-Setze:- 1) Gedilim Ta’aseh Loch etc., immediately followed by the Posuuk of 2) Ki Yikach Ish Isho etc.Hopefully, when you called it a fallacy, you were unaware of the fact that it’s a Mahari”l and a Magen Avraham. The Mahari”l is quoted in Baer Heiteiv and Mishna Berurah (O.C. 18, 4 and 10, respectively). The Shyarei Knesses Hagedolah calls it “tamuah”(puzzling), not because of the order, but because we would expect even an unmarried person not to be batel from the mitzvah of tzitzis. It’s likely that we, who make a brachah on a tallis katan, would have no such issue. Since even unmarried men do wear a tallis (katan), they are not being batel from the mitzvah of tzitzis.
The M”A is in O.C. 8, 3. He says that the Gemara in Kiddushin (29b) implies that unmarried men did not cover their heads with a tallis. Baer Heiteiv argues.
Why do you want to know what other people think before you complain? If you don’t like something, tell them (respectfully). They want feedback.
Because it’s up to the moderator’s opinion, not yours?
There’s something called “plan b” for androids which helps locate them even if someone didn’t have he foresight to install a lookout app.
This is not, as far as I can tell, an example of “a minhag brecht a din”, which is not true. The mitzvah of tztzis is not chiyuvis, so the minhag can legitimately determine when one should be mechayev oneself by wearing daled kanfos.
BPG,
You missed an important phrase in MDG’s post:
(whether she realizes it or not)
Rd,
He should not be allowing Ayelet Cohen to speak in his shul.
Sushee,
On the bottom of the search results page.