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r-b,
This is from the OP:
Also I notice that stores like Pomegranate offer hand sanitizers and umbrella bags throughtout the store. May I use them if I only plan window shopping (not actually buying anything)?
The store owner is probaly not makpid on the bags…
Why wouldn’t he be makpid on someone who has absolutely no intention of buying anything taking a bag?
(BTW, what’s an umbrella bag?)
I dont mean to sound sarcastic or naive, but from everyone’s tone it seems that CR members dont have any such Taivos.
What is it about everyone’s tone here that makes you think they’re not human beings? (other than Mr. Ed, of course;)
Good thing we are Jews;
I say a bracha to that effect every day 🙂
a Noachide can get a death sentence for stealing less than a shevah pruta.
I still wouldn’t want the punishment that a Jew gets for that.
The store owner probaly has these things in mind…
He also has in mind that people might break in at night and steal cash and groceries.
A bag is less then a shoveh pruta so its asumed the owner is not makpid.
You’re allowed to steal less than a shoveh pruta?
Daas yachid, in reality the op has really no facts that they weren’t accommodating. in truth i still only see smoke, but no inconsiderate davkah
I was responding to Aries.
If its only compliments the Mods get (doesnt sound right to me), why are they interested?
Compliments arent Mitzvos, and they dont pay the rent.
If moderating for YWN will keep people off other sites, it’s a mitzvah.
There are plenty of people in Lakewood and Eretz Yisroel who just yent around.
tbt,
I don’t think AZ is denying that there may be other factors preventing individuals from getting married. He’s challenging the OP which assumes that older single men (due to inflexibility) are having a harder time than ever.
Yossi,
Did you check your spam?
the flowers aren’t *purely* l’kavod Shabbos
Although I have no source, I think that if you would have bought the flowers even if Shabbos was the only consideration, you’ll get reimbursed.
I buy mine in a store which takes a credit card. 🙂
If they made no effort to accommodate, then that’s wrong.
well someone who posts about a talkng horse dates him or herself and reveals that they were acquainted with that particular species so that says something about them if you get my drift.
Or knows how to Google.
Who? ????????!
What do the Mods get paid?
Compliments (although too rarely).
BasYisroel94
Click on your screen name (towards the top left corner).
Or click on this:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/profile/basyisroel94
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Hmmm… Any relation to Mr. Ed?
Will you please stop horsing around? (A horse is a horse, Ofcourse, Ofcourse…) Oops… wrong thread. 🙂
It’s relevant if you’re concerned about being machmir per Rav Moshe, as a bal nefesh would eat only a cholov yisroel Hershey Bar if it were available and all things were equal. In this case, the bal nefesh chumra does not apply as there are no Hershey Bars made with cholav yisroel milk.
So in your opinion, not having Hershey’s is a shas had’chak?
Wrong.
Why?
where does he say it wasnt part of the g’zeira? like charliehall pointed out, powdered milk didnt exist at the time of Chazal. so when Chazal made the g’zeira they never excluded powdered milk.
Heres one quote from the ?????; it’s the whole basis of his heter.
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In response to Charlie Hall’s point, the ?? ??? is saying that any change in form (cheese, butter) was excluded from the ???? and he considers drying into a powder a change in form.
when we moved in they didn’t have 7 kids.
I don’t understand your point; should they have stopped having kids while you were their tenants? (I’m sure you don’t mean that.)
Your complaint about the construction was valid. The only way I could understand the validity of your other complaint is if after having more children (producing more noise) they didn’t let you out of the lease.
Your conduct regarding the paranoid landlady was quite admirable.
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Aries,
As far as doing construction, you’re right. However, when you move under a family with 5-7 kids, you have to expect noise.
Nobody (or at least not I) is invalidating Yogi’s feelings; the question is how to respond.
The two jungle tribes were constantly feuding. One tribesman, in the middle of the night, stole the ornate royal chair of the rival chief. When he brought it back to his tribe, he and his fellow tribesmen had to figure out how to store it in a place where their rivals would never find it. They decide on a novel idea; build a second story on their chief’s hut. This was an innovation; never had a straw hut had a second floor. Triumph turned to tragedy, however, when the upper floor collapsed, killing their chief. The tribesmen learned a valuable lesson:
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GRASS HOUSES SHOULD NEVER STOW THRONES!
Is there really an office where the mods are together
Obviously not, because Mod 80’s classified information was divulged by the anonymous bold faced (type) moderator of the OP.
Now we know that the head honcho at Y.W. is named Ed. 🙂
Charlie,
No problem.
One of the fascinating aspects (to me) about that article was that without the added enzyme, the camel milk’s own proteins do not allow curdling. This is what the gemara says about b’hema t’meia milk; I don’t think anything changes today unless there would be a reasonable concern that they are actually labeling it as kosher cheese; we don’t make up our own g’zeiros.
using that line of reasoning, you should equally be matir ALL milk, not just powdered. i dont understand why that reasoning should be more applicable to powdered than not powdered.
R’ Moshe ZT”L is matir all milk based on that reasoning; Rav Tzvi Pesach ZT”L apparently disagrees, since there was a g’zeira. He maintains, though, that powdered milk was not part of the g’zeira.
The main question here is: can someone who generally uses Cholav Yisroel milk also enjoy a Hershey Bar, assuming that a Hershey Bar is made with powdered milk? I see it as YES, since (1) the same heter which makes Chalav Stam into Chalav Yisroel in the U.S.A.;
This discussion is about differentiating between regular milk and powdered milk.
(2) the g’zera was not made on powdered milk;
That’s a machlokes; the Chazon Ish says it was. See my earlier post for Chelkas Binyamin’s proof.
That’s irrelevant to the essential heter, and wouldn’t either create a “shas had’chak”. That reasoning does apply to pas palter to make it eina m’tzuya, but it doesn’t apply here.
Charlie,
On another thread, I posted an article from the NY Times which indicated that camel cheese is, in fact, being sold in the US.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/cholov-yisroel-powdered-milk-kulah#post-218503
mdd,
I don’t think Goq was advocating free speech on a personal level, but saying that we should be grateful to live in a country where government stays out of thees things. Otherwise, we might be next, c”v.
Charlie,
Nice source, thanks. He seems to be taking a very strict stance in point #3; I’ve never heard that before as mainstream halacha. There would seem to be almost nothing to listen to today which would gain his approval; the only thing I can think of offhand is Simply Tzfat!
Hi, I see that this post hasn’t been visited for a while, but since I’m new to the coffee room, I just had an archealogical find…
I’m just a bit confused by whats been posted: Is goyishe music really ok, if it doesn’t have “bad” lyrics? I’ve heard that any music, connects you to the composer and that it’s a terrible thing to be connected to these goyim, and yadayadayada. But, I really dont know. Who will dare to enlighten me on this matter.. Please? 🙂
Thanks!
I don’t know if I can “enlighten you”, but I don’t mind sharing my opinion, that it depends on the music. Much of today’s secular music (and, unfortunately, much of today’s “Jewish” music, whose style is copied from the secular) is harmful, even without the lyrics. Some secular music, though, might be elevating.
On a subtle level, to some extent, one might be connecting to the composer, but there were gedolim who listened to classical music composed by individuals who may have been immoral people, but those values weren’t necessarily reflected in these compositions.
As a rebbe of mine once analogized, if an artist of poor moral character painted a picture of an apple, it would not be a problem to view that painting.
Even a frum Yid, though, can make up a tune (especially when copying the secular style) which brings out the animalistic part of human nature.
Aries: you are 100% right. Ppl who don’t know can’t judge and can’t say anything.
We can objectively point out which behavior in response might be wrong, even if we can’t feel how much you’ve suffered.
I lived through the opposite situation; our downstairs neighbors were elderly people, and the man (I think a holocaust survivor) would fly into a rage and angrily bang on his ceiling (our floor) every time the kids made the slightest noise. And this was after we installed padded carpet at out own volition and expense!
Hatzlocha in your new place.
From the NY Times:
WITH cheeses in all shapes, sizes and aromas so easily found, a new curd can have trouble standing out. This is not likely to be a problem for Caravane.
The dairy that makes Caravane is run by Nancy Abeiderrahmane, who is also its founder. Born in England and raised mostly in Spain, Ms. Abeiderrahmane, 61, married a Mauritanian politician and eventually settled in the country in 1986.
She started the dairy, now called Tiviski, in 1989. Nomads took their camel herds to her, and soon she was collecting, pasteurizing, bottling and selling more than 500 gallons of milk a day.
At some times of the year supply outran demand, and this made her wonder if she could make the milk into something with a longer shelf life, like cheese. But unlike that of cows, goats and sheep, camel milk does not have the proteins to curdle naturally. Ms. Abeiderrahmane contacted a camel expert in France who had discovered an enzyme that aids curdling, and made him a technical consultant. Production began in 1994.
Mr. Guthrie, an importer and entrepreneur who has worked mostly with electronics, was on a hunt for camel milk in 2007 after reading about its health benefits. Camel milk is rich in nutrients like iron, and vitamins C and B, according to a 2006 report from the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations.
He approached Ms. Abeiderrahmane, and by September was peddling half-pound samples of Caravane to New York retailers and restaurants. Some of those that declined to carry it initially are nevertheless keeping an eye on it.
I think that refers to cheese, not to powdered milk (although I am hearing it is no longer true about cheese, either). Why should there be any difficulty in making unkosher powdered milk from ANY source? The water in the milk is completely evaporated through a process, and what is left is the powdered residue. It is reconstituted with water when needed (i.e. to feed a baby horse or csmel).
I don’t know about making cheese from unkosher milk nowadays, but you’re right about powdered milk. The Chazon Ish says that, and even the Har Tzvi who is lenient has other reasons, as I mentioned earlier.
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hello99,
I posted that link for informational purposes; I wasn’t sure what Rav Tzvi Pesach ZT”L’s reasoning was, and didn’t have time to read it. I’ve now skimmed through it (pardon the pun).
He acknowledges the possibility of making avkas chalav from the milk of a b’heima t’meia. According to my understanding, the main crux of his argument is that powdered milk was not part of the g’zeira, like cheese (except that cheese has a different g’zeira). We don’t make our own g’zeiros, and and as long as we can reasonably assume that it’s made from a cow, it’s mutar. He gives more than one reason why we can assume that it’s from cow’s milk. One reason is that milk from a b’heima t’meia does not yield much powder so it’s not worth making it. This is clearly no longer true. However, he also writes that government supervision makes it reasonable to assume that it’s from cow’s milk, and this part does seem to hold true today.
One might argue that we should hold like the Chazon Ish who writes that there’s no distinction between regular and powdered milk. The Chelkas Binyomin does so, with a compelling reason; powdered milk is regular milk with the moisture removed. When the moisture is replaced, it’s milk again. Cheese, however, is a different product, so whereas cheese is not included in the g’zeira of Chalav Aku”m, powdered milk is.
One might additionally argue that practically speaking, one should not rely on powdered milk because of the treifa issue.
One can even argue that historically, Rav Frank only meant for his heter to be relied upon b’shas hadchak. The essential heter, however, seems intact.
Rav Frank Zt”l’s Teshuva (I haven’t read it yet):
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=22460&st=&pgnum=109&hilite=
Don’t make any snarky comments on YWN. I heard from a reliable source that it doesn’t help.
I’d be morah heter that I’m not doing it to make them suffer but just to understand what it’s like so they would stop
You could also be morah heter that you’re just letting the other person know how it feels not to be lent a farming implement which you need.
” nobody has the nisayon to drink pork coffee “
Sorry, I missed the point you tried to make. Would you please re-state it?
Bar Shattya refers, I believe, to the fact that despite the cRc’s alert regarding possible kashrus concerns that the coffee utensils in Starbucks (possibly washed with utensils used to heat ham sandwiches), some people still drink the coffee. He is assuming, I think, that this is some people’s nisayon regarding pork.
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I can’t even look at someone who eats late at night!! I do cheat here and there
Can I have your mirror since you’re not using it anyhow? 🙂
Adon know what you mean, smartcookie.
There is no excuse for frum people to bother neighbours enough until they are actually forced to move out of their home!
Unthinkable!
I personally would make some noise of my own at 3 in the morning outside their house daily till they understood! They’re getting off lightly with no heating for a day
Ever hear of Lo Sikom?
Do you know what file format the music has to be?
That depends on the phone’s software; the card is just a memory device. If the phone is made for music, mp3 is your best bet. If it’s currently in a different format and not working, try converting to mp3.
I just want some info about it.
In short, it’s a machlokes between the Chazon Ish, who says it’s the same as regular milk, and the Har Tzvi, who is meikil.
You can’t make powered milk out of pig fat, so if it is powdered milk, you know it isn’t pig fat. Or hooves.
True, but you can make it out of pig’s milk.
Truth? The whole inyan today (IMHO) in regards to cholov stam / cholov yisroel is NOT about kashrus.
I’m not sure why you don’t think it’s about kashrus. It’s a legitimate shaila in halacha, regarding an edible item. In the vernacular, a discussion about whether a food or beverage is permitted to be eaten is considered to be about kashrus.
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The chosson had promised the kallah her own slave. When he turned out to be a midget, she went to the dayan. He paskened that even though, technically, he fulfilled his obligation, it was a little bitty eved.
From Shluffy again: What brocha do you say on burnt hamburger? Charcoal nih’ye bidvaro.