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No it’s not. He has specified on the other thread. It doesn’t seem to be against all Chassidim.
“many other frum cults”
How so? Because Chabad is big?
No, because it’s not a cult.
we’ve been forced to be sensitive and pretend to hold of their legitimacy?Not I.
These people come across as programmed. You seemed to believe so yourself on other threads.
Illogical, yes. I don’t know if that’s the same as saying “programmed” but either way, being wrong or even illogical isn’t synonymous with being a cult.
It’s not hypocrisy to take the middle ground. Chabad meshichism is wrong, but not an evil cult.
Haga atzm’cha. If you agree with my Chabad meshichists/ anti vaxxers comparison, and the Chassidim (or Chabad if you insist on ignoring the obvious)/ Lev Tahor comparison, then are you equating anti-vaxxers with Lev Tahor?
I must comment on this:
Right. And that’s exactly why a certain person decided were all kofrim BEFORE gimmel tammuz (for unknown reasons, his own followers were left scratching their heads)…
1. Many were not scratching their heads
2. חכם עדיף מנביא
You somehow twisted his cleverness in recognizing the (institutional) insanity in Chabad as derogatory, when in fact it shows his prescience.
What a dumb OP.
Lev Tahor members have noses. So do yeshiva bochurim.
Therefore, yeshivos are cults.
Makes sense? That’s basically the same logic pattern.
Those who take the OP as an anti Lubavich rant (which it obviously is, based on the title) seem to missing that it it’s actually a rant against all (perhaps just most) chassidus – “many other frum cults”.
Any legitimate taynas against the way Lubavich has mishandled the loss of their Rebbe, and even the way he was treated when he was alive, is lost in the over the top, ridiculous comparison to Lev Tahor, and the inclusion of “many other frum cults”.
No, unavoidably unsafe means that there are inevitably some who will be harmed from vaccines. That’s why there is a vaccine injury compensation court created to begin with.
Legally, unavoidably safe means they’re not liable. The compensation court is there for the avoidable cases, meaning some specific defect in the production of the vaccine.
You’ve got to stop using terms fed to you by your fellow anti vax cultists which are being misunderstood and misapplied.
“Unavoidably safe” is a legal term which makes no judgement as to how safe or unsafe vaccines are, or the risks compared to the benefits.
Although I agree that it’s not a great idea to travel close to Shabbos, as Milhouse points out, there’s no halacha against it, and the chances of actual chillul Shabbos resulting from flying one of these flights is very small.
The chances of an inconvenient Shabbos is a little bigger, but still not likely.
It’s not only people looking for a cheaper flight who take these flights, it’s often the only option, as AIY points out.
If you want to take a lesson to be more cautious when possible, fine, but I think it’s out of place to judge people for this.
I hope I didn’t spell anything wrong.
I really don’t get the nitpicking about spelling
ANY KASHES?
Yes. Why do you bother? Truthishidden clearly has no intention of being rational.
Probably a side effect of measles.
The original statement was: “it’s better to be a frei yid who holds the rebbe’s moshiach than a snag who’s frum.”
NP said it was justifiable in the following scenario:
Guy 1 – Is Frei (not careful with kashrus, relationships with other gender, ect) but not mechalel Shabbos publicly and not an oved Avoda Zora
Guy 2 – Holds there isn’t going to be ANY Moshiach.
So he made the frei guy frum, and the frum guy frei.
That’s not putting it into context, that’s distorting it beyond recognition.
Nice try, I guess, but no dice.
Yes I think in extreme 2 such a statement could be justified (not that id make it myself.)
So you’re too nice to actually say it, but you do agree that a frei Yid who believes the Rebbe is Moshiach is better than a misnaged who doesn’t hold of the Rebbe.
My question right now is why is it the measles vaccine that has everybody up in arms
Because there’s currently a measles outbreak.
“Divrei Chachamim Bnachas Nishmaim”
Please stop posting your anti vaccination opinions. You might be putting people at risk.
(Let’s see if that works)
Also, as far as your Pikuach Nefesh Doche Lashon Hara…. Check with your Rav to make sure that this situation does warrant these types of responses.
I’m not the one who posted the video.
You, on the other hand, should ask your rav if it was mutar to publicly scold the one who took the video.
Research the ingredients (vaccine ing. found on the CDC website) and their impact.
How about you research the overall negatives of the vaccines vs. the negatives of the diseases they prevent?
So why should one suffer from the side effects if there are in many cases natural alternatives that do not have such potentially serious side effects?
They haven’t been proven safe or effective.
“When someone asks you about your attitude about certain gedolim, and your answer
(#1624910) contains a comparison to someone’s attitude about “a Jew who clearly follows
a non-Torah path,” you’re kind of inviting trouble (even if you didn’t mean it that way).”I hear that.
You say you hear that, yet in your very next post you compare Rav Aharon Feldman to a mechallel Shabbos rachmono litzlon.
someone who is known to you to be a tzadik (or whatever equivalent term is used), you follow him unless he tells you to serve another god or permanently cancels a mitzvah.
You mean like, for example, sleeping in the succah?
Also, I am NOT in any way measuring anyones level of Emunah, I leave that up to Hashem
Then leave it out of the vaccine discussion.
if you can obtain your same goals through speaking Lashon Hara and not speaking Lashon Hara, then without the Lashon Hara is forsure the better option.
Of course, but do you really think asking the people peddling the alternative garbage will listen if you ask them nicely to stop?
You have a great deal of arrogance to imply that antivaxxers have more emunah than antidiseasers.
The issur of lashon hora is not docheh pikuach nefesh. The alternative medicine wackos are killing people.
I guess you’re not the only hater, r”l.
reb chaim says u dont need to
Dr. Indich says he has seen a video (the owner hasn’t released it publicly) of R’ Chaim saying it is a chiyuv to vaccinate.
It was taken after the letter in which he didn’t allow a school to refuse admission of a child in a specific case (in which there were apparently special circumstances).
You can hear this on the latest “Headlines” podcast.
Amen.
It’s not an excuse not to vaccinate, though.
May your child not ch”v contract any of the illnesses which can be prevented by vaccines, nor pass them on to other children.
At the risk of wasting my breath on someone who is likely too close minded to consider the truth:
it is important to discuss the issue of corporate and federal fraud by the vaccine companies
The drug companies would actually make a lot more money treating the diseases than providing the vaccinations.
Merck is currently being sued for fraud for withholding data about the effectiveness of their mumps vaccine. GlaxoSmithKline recently paid $3 billion dollars in a fraud settlement case.
Okay, but the vaccines have been proven effective by others who don’t produce them.
As a mother it is my right to protect my children from these criminals.
As a member of the human race and of klal Yisroel, you have no right to endanger other children who can’t get vaccinated or are in the small minority for whom the vaccines aren’t effective.
Does the One Above not know what hes doing? C”V. Does he send down imperfect babies to the world that we have to mess around with them & drug them up right away…
That’s so hypocritical. Your belief in G-d tells you that He will protect unvaccinated children, but somehow you think He’s powerless ch”v to protect them from the ill effects of the vaccines?
Herd immunity is a theory that was never proven.
As opposed to the link between autism and vaccinations, which was?
Lahav has only about half of the partying
Probably a troll. I wouldn’t take this guy too seriously.
CS, I’m gratified to see your response. I’ll continue to question your hashkafos, but not your sincerity or motivations.
In any case you accuse the study of not taking into various factors into account while yourself suggesting a thesis not based on any statistics.
That’s fine; he didn’t draw any conclusions. The “study” did.
I’m very disappointed that you’re doubling down on your untrue accusations.
I also know people in Chassidish communities. And Chabad communities. So what?
You are denying a Torah truism:
בכל מקום שאתה מוצא גדר ערוה, שם אתה מוצא קדושה
(Rashi on parshas Kedoshim).As far as I can tell, the only way people are claiming they’re worse is by including “Modern Lubavitchers” in the calculation. I’ve never found it fair to exclude Ashkenazi MO from the Litvish world
There isn’t a clear demarcation between more or less modern yeshivish. Sure, the whole from world suffers from worsening adherence to proper dress and interaction of the genders, but it’s really quite noticeable in Chabad. At least in the tristate area, and I believe elsewhere as well.
Try to apply the standard to any other chassidus and you’ll see where your complaint about the fallacy of the tznius argument regarding Chabad fails.
Have you ever seen Belz, Satmar, Get, etc. groups behaving and dressing as you see in Chabad?
No. Just a different standard.
A lower standard.
In fact I could definitely argue that because the chassidishe communities have taken tznius to an unprecedented extreme (which I respect as their Daas Torah due to the shocking immodesty prevalent today), they, as an unfortunate side outcome, have much worse tznius issues than we have.
That’s a baseless, and frankly disgusting comment. Pure motzi Shem ra.
Gosh, some people, I tell ya
You don’t have to make fun of Avram’s minhag just because it’s not yours.
However, since he came from a Sephardeshe breeder
Don’t make fun of our tiyere Sefardishe breeder.
טייערע ברידער מיר וועלן זיך וויטער זעהן דער אויבערשטר וועט געבן געזונט און לעבן
I will look down on anyone who doesn’t do this.
First you have to look up…
Yay?
hekesh(conjugation?)
A hekesh is a drasha by which two things are able to be compared because of their proximity to each other.
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In other words, it’s not being described as a physical action, it’s being used to describe a physical action.in the posuk “kulam bchochma asisa” where chochma is described as physical action.)
It’s an adverb, not a verb.
Huh?
!!!!!אי סי מנו טייקס דיס סטף סיריעסלי
There is an argument what tinuk shenishba is which would affect the touching of wine.
You wrote: “I said that the Jews were a tinuk shenisbah killed in Pittsburgh”
I’m asking how the Jews killed in Pittsburgh have to do with touching wine.
Rav Moshe writes (Igros Moshe O.C. I #33)
Where in that teshuvah does he say this?
DY, this was a continuation of a closed thread.
Is that a nafka mina l’halacha? I don’t think you answered my question.
That’s your PC definition
Probably also the Chazon Ish’s definition. Others (including Rav Moshe Feinstein, I believe) disagree.
Now that they’ve been killed, HY”D, what difference does it make if they were considered tinokos shenishbu? Do we have any leftover wine which they touched?
TheFakeMaven, Have you ever heard the expression כדי להסביר את האוזן we don’t know what applies to Hashem. We use the expression כביכול but we speak according to our understanding as the hand, eyes and ears of Hashem. This is called צמצום minimizing Him for our understanding. We use love and hate and therefore we can say He enjoys giving. See the Rambam in his explanation.
It’s kind of circular. When he say Hashem “enjoys giving” we really mean he bestows kindness upon us. So, it’s not really adding anything to say that the reason He bestows kindness upon us is because He enjoys giving.
The bottom line is that there are violent evil people on the right as well as on the left, and it’s silly to try to prove either liberalism or conservatism wrong based on these people’s actions.
The conspiracy theories were dumb before they caught this guy, and even dumber after, but it shouldn’t change anyone’s vote.
The only thing it should do is teach both sides to tone down the rhetoric, but of course it won’t.
I said no such thing.
Neither did my dad.
Syag, I was asking him based on his own criteria.
You’re making the same point I was, but taking my posts out of context.
Whether I use that as a life guideline in crossing the street is irrelevant.
We don’t use it for matters of public policy. Gun control is a matter of public policy.
There is a much higher than 50% chance that allowing random people to own weapons will cause death.
As you only use internet for business, it’s possible that you don’t know that a crazy gun wielding anti Semite mudered 11 people on Shabbos in a Conservative temple.
11 Yidden were murdered yesterday in the type of attack which happens frequently in the US, but rarely in countries which don’t have our ridiculous gun culture.
Don’t tell me lack of gun control doesn’t create more than a 50% chance of people getting killed by guns.
I’m sure he doesn’t randomly cross the street. Maybe he is able to use his other senses to compensate.
Besides, why just your friend, why not you? Do you not believe what you’re writing?