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Little I know’s vert is right on point as to positive motivation and role modeling being a much more effective behavioral tool than punishment. Where the latter might occasionally be required, for a segment of the tzibur who DO allow for limited internet access, I would suspect that restricting that access might be the single greatest motivator. Certainly more so than physical “assault”.

I you are referring to R’ Zacharia Wallerstein, he is with a highly regarded group called Ohr Na’avah which operates in a number of areas in the U.S. and among many services, provides mentoring for OTDs etc.

CT Lawyer: Also, a big yasher koach to your state on having the LOWEST covid infection rate in the U.S. and the second lowest hospitalization rate (kudos to Vermont). Obviously, you and the locals are doing something right. Want to share the formula?
BTW. The Connecticut economy is growing like gangbusters so these great public health outcomes has not been achieved by locking down the economy.

Syag: Fairly clear. I know several frum families (not Chassidsh) who decided to move out of the NYC metro area to more rural parts of NY/NJ/Conn during Covid. Also, some smaller yeshivos seemed to handle Covid better than larger ones and were able to maintain in-person instruction. Lots of tumult over the past 18 months that may or may not affect relocation decisions Nothing more profound.

So they have something to contribute to the Tzinius Broigas which is ranked as No. 2 on the CR thread rankings, only to the Shiduch Crisis, with variations of Trump Derangement Syndrome and Techeles coming at a close tie for third. Fish and game wardens drive around with pickup trucks with long rulers built into the truck hatch for measuring the allowable catch. The Taliban and Revolutionary Guard “morals police” walk around with walking sticks/batons with metric measurements for measuring skirt lengths Maybe UJM and some of his really ehrliche chevrah can buy some of these essential tools on ebay so they are equipped to administer arbah makos to those pritzusdike women they confirm are in violation (perhaps with a few cm safe harbor leeway like the police use when ticketing for speeding violations)

CS: Thats why I noted that the areas to the east of the I-5 corridor are a world apart from the Seattle Portland metro areas and some of the coastal areas. Several of the college campuses in those areas are hotbeds of BDS. In fact, there is an effort underway in the eastern part of the state of Washington to secede and form a NEW state called Liberty. Part of their manifesto reads as follows:

“A group of coastal elites, one that detests our very way of life, dominates the political system of Washington state. These people view individual political and religous freedoms as just another problem getting in the way of executing their radical social and economic agenda, an agenda that is fundamentally at odds with how we in Eastern Washington desire to live….”
We’ve also traveled extensively in the PNW and entirely agree that outside of Idaho I’ve never encountered a hint of the type of anti-semitism you apparently encountered in the Whitefish/Kalispell area of Montana which I’ve heard is also the home turf for some white supremacy groups (which typically espouse anti-semitic tropes).
When visiting a fish hatchery near Bonneville Dam on the Columbia River, we met a frum young guy wearing a kipah (more MO than yeshivish) who was working on a business startup for an organic/kosher salmon jerky production facility to be based somewhere in the region. I’m not sure exactly what he was expecting to learn from spending time with the federal fisheries biologists but he said he was treated with incredible respect and interest from those he met with throughout the region. While I think the jerky market is already saturated with several good products with good hashgacha, I was impressed by his enthusiasm and positive reception from the locals.

“Would you find it objectionable if women critiqued a behavior of certain groups of men who were acting incorrectly in public?”

No, but in reality, womens’ complaints about the appearance or behavior of men are typically met with either total silence, dismissed out of hand or rationalized as not technically being problematic under halacha. In their relations and interactions with women, these ehrliche yidden are always living under self-styled chumrahs but in relation to their own behavior as perceived by women, it is mega kulahs that govern.

How do so many of these threads get hijacked for the vile purpose of opening a new battle line in the Chabad-Litvish wars?

Just about every newspaper and media outlet have been highlighting the vaccination rules for weeks and running stories about incidents where individuals had objected to the new requirements. For many of those that deliberately avoid reading newspapers (print or online) or watching TV, they are also unlikely to see notices on museum websites. However, I’ve checked several of the top museums (MET, Natural History and MOMA) and all have the warning about the Covid Vaccination requirement as a condition of entry. For example the Jewish Museum website has the following alert:

“In accordance with government regulations and health guidance, visitors must reserve timed tickets and observe additional policies as part of their visit. Read the guidelines on this page to ensure a safe and enjoyable visit. In compliance with the New York City mandate, proof of vaccination is required for all visitors 12 and older. ”

The rules on the NYC Department of Health Website are clear and unambiguous and cover virtually all restaurants, bars, museums, indoor entertainment/cultural venues etc.

Participant: I’ll have to admit I read your post several times and still have no clue as to what the inner meaning of your profound thought might convey about squaring the circle of life.
A gutten moed.

The wording of this thread is borderline irresponsible. It was mentioned weeks ago when the issue of infertility, miscarriage etc. initially surfaced and dismissed by OB/GYN experts from both the U.S. and EY. Rates of miscarriage were NOT statistically different between vaccinated/non-vaccinated pregnant mothers after cohort groups were normalized for other risk factors.

“But who knows where and when they were baked….”

Totally agree. C’v they might have been baked in Willy, BP or even Monsey. They also might be frozen chometz sh’avr alov h’pesach or even worse….

There have been no double blind clinical trials conducted that would show that those who believe and spread the constantly changing conspiracy theories about the risks of vaccination are also likely to incur higher rates of mortality and morbidity by foregoing proven medical interventions but that is a logical and intuitive expectation even without a peer reviewed study.

Given the demonstrated efficacy of the vaccine, especially in the context of materially reducing the risk of hospitalization and death in the unlikely event of a breakthrough infection, pikuach nefesh trumps (excuse the term) paru u’ravu 100 percent of the time.

All the studies released thusfar, both in the U.S. and EY, seem to confirm that those vaccinated have materially lower rates of infection, hospitalization and death than those unvaccinated. The rates and intensityof side-effects, albeit based on very short-term results, also clearly support the notion that risks are lower with vaccination. No one claims the vaccine totally prevents Covid but the few studies of breakthrough cases show that the large percentage of those infected were either asymptomatic or had only mild symptoms.
For those CR participants still in denial, hoping not to see your photo with a candle in the background on the News page.g

Twisted sounds like a real Hagbah Mayvin….everything he says is intuitive and logical but many of us never really stopped to think about the nuts and bolts of what would otherwise seem to be a simple act but fraught with catastrophic outcomes in the hands of an amateur.

AAQ. Yes, its a pre-Covid trend but Covid has really created a separate “shortage” issue, especially among those who would trade in their leased vehicles every 3-5 years because they wanted a new model car. Those new or late model cars simply aren’t readily available because of chip shortages and other supply change issues. . However, I doubt any of those “new” car buyers would know how to open their hoods, much less change their oil or air filter.

“some hold that the reasoning is that since the king owns everything, we’re only able to use the land and resources as oer his directives. This would make [dinas dimalchusa] not apply nowadays”

Well, the way things are going in D.C., if you just wait a while, the “King” (aka “the government”) will soon own everything again so dinas demalchusa will again be the rule. See the House Democratic Ways and Means Committee Tax proposal released evev shabbos

Thanks to the CR Rebbe for a beautiful vert for motzi Shabbos Shuvah

Even though the issue is not “reciprocal”, the visuals for most women in the case of frum guys walking down 13th Avenue in Brooklyn, Clifton Avenue in Lakewood or Main St. in Monsey in shorts and long socks are unlikely to promote illicit thoughts or pritzsus. In fact, just the opposite. There is a time and place for most things and Commons Saychel should suffice.

Ask your LRP but I would submit its an obvious issue of tzinius for women and probably for most adult males (putting aside the fact that after a certain age, most yidden look better in long pants, tzinius concerns notwithstanding).

“GHD, don’t be such a fein-schmecker and simply buy an older car…”

UJM: The “older” Maseratis cost a lot more than the newer ones, and for an ehrliche fein-schmecker such as myself, they lack that “new car schmeck”.

Joe Rogan just announced he is postponing his “Clown Tour” (no joke…tickets went on sale last week) because he was diagnosed with Covid. If you believe in contrarian indicators, he is on something that looks like a variation of the Zelenko protocol with Zinc, Trump antibodies and this horse medication

Whether its a “minhag’, required by halacha, or a self-imposed chumrah, the reality is that the younger generation seems more comfortable with openly declaring their yiddishkeit than many of their parents and grandparents. I’m most impressed by the large number of kids with kipahs on college campuses where the leftist and anti-Israel agendas of many faculty and students seems to equate wearing a kipah with support for the policies of EY. I’d assume a yeshivish bochur would always wear a hat or kipah as a matter of course. When a MO bochur wears one in in venues that are not always the most “friendly” I’m especially impressed.