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I’m going to take the opposite side.
A Real Yeshiva (after 12th grade, and especially in kollel) should be a pressure cooker, if you are not going to college and planing on working. The point of long term full time learning is to produce Gedolim like Rav Elyashiv, who learns 18 hours a day and sleeps only 4. If you can’t become a Gadol, you have no right to sit and become a nothing. Go to a “low pressure” yeshiva, where they don’t try to make Gedolim. Maybe you will even become a high school Rebbe somewhere (no disrespect, but nothing close to a gadol). Or maybe you will sit out your term, and then join the shver’s business.
my point is that you can’t force the kids to learn a trade their parents don’t want them to learn (it’s the parents job to teach them a trade, it’s an explicit gemara in the 4th perek of kiddushin)
Being that in many schools, that is the only trade taught (Begging/Panhandling), and the parents send their children to these schools, I can only assume that the parents are farming out their responsibilities (for pay, or for others’ pay, keeping to the trade taught) to the schools. Your explicit 1% has become much larger due to implicit acquiescence.
Gavra,
If you ask the kids parents what they want their kids to be when they grow up i don’t think 1% of them would say “A fundraiser”
Your point?
oh so it’s chinuch for raising funds, not for giving tzedakah I see (I guess that’s good if you want them to grow up to be fund raisers)
That was my point as well. They are teaching children a trade, as per Halacha.
What do you mean he don’t eat no meat?
Oh, that’s okay. I make lamb.
Go back in time 16 years (to 18) and try again, knowing that you will need to make a living.
In the meantime, stay on government programs and tuition assistance, and pump out tax credits (children).
I was talking about the “mitzva” of collecting, and how they need to learn how to do so for when they grow older. Who says the schools don’t teach a trade?
minyan gal:
(I believe) There is nothing wrong with talking to Hashem in English, even during the Amidah. The issue is one should still use the format of Chazal, the Shemona Esrei + 1. If one wishes to add additional requests, they can do so either at the end, or during the middle of the Amidah (not the first or last three brachos), if it is relevent to the prayer being said.
The issue with your Temple is that one should not be Mafisik (interrupt) between the brachos of Shema and the Amidah. That is a different issue.
Do you speak to your Ittisa in Aramaic?
No. Have you ever tried to speak practical (not talmudic) Aramaic? Very difficult. Might I recommend My Father’s Paradise: A Son’s Search for His Jewish Past in Kurdish Iraq by Ariel Sabar. I found it a very interesting read.
Usually one of four things, or a combination of all:
1: let Ittisa sleep
2: Sleep myself
3: Read/learn
4: Visit elderly relatives.
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Actually, cheating your fellow is worse than both.
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I am appalled by the cheating by so called “frum jews” of both fellow yidden, non yidden and the government, and am making a public Machaa.
For a well rooted, sound marraige, its the best thing, and enhances your relationship.
Could you please expand on this?
Is bungalow living bad for your shalom bayis
Is this even a question?
Wrong. Chumras are ??? ???? ????? ??. OCD is a mental illness.
If I would argue this with a Chassidish Lady (which I will not), I would ask her to look at my post above. Lo Am HaAretz Chassid!
This person told me her husband won’t let her eat pizza during the 9 days because it’s not an appropriate food for mourning. Anybody ever hear of that?
Klutz Chumra. The whole issur (as well as wine) is Zecher L’churban of Basar Korbanos (and Nesachim). (Shaarei Teshuva on Hil. Tes B’Av), which is why scotch (or beer, the example there) is mutar.
Of course, if you are an Am HaAretz (like this person you mention), you can make up any “chumra” you want.
ROA 194, 203. I would have thought you (of all people) would know better.
Most hashkafically Modern Orthodox Jews also never accepted the current interpretation of the phrase “daas Torah.” They still consider rabbanim to be scholars of halacha who may have special siyata dishmaya in psak beb’chinas dayan hadan emes l’amito but not necessarily have ruach hakodesh in other matters. When Rav Lichtenstein, for example, says “I’m not a navi” they believe him. As far as I can tell, that is the main sticking point in hashkafa between Modern Orthodox and charedim. The charedim see the MO as not giving proper kavod to talmidei chachamim and the Modern see the charedim as ascribing too much power to human beings. I hope I represented each hashkafa accurately without saying anything objectionable about either one.
This is correct and IMHO the main difference. I know Yeshivish people who look for Kulas, and “MO” who look to be machmir, so that can’t be it. There are yeshivish people who hold of Rav Yoshe Ber, and MO that don’t.
From what I can tell, Yeshivish borrowed the “Rebbe” idea from the Chassidim, and applied it to Gedolim.
(I know that probably makes me MO, but since Rav Reuven is also MO, I’m in good company).
Charaidi is a whole different ballgame.
Bump.
HaLeiVi, does the gemorah exist? Where is it?
Marish is takanas hashavim, not necessarily tikkun olam.
You are correct (BK 94-95). Thank you.
gavra: How about turning on a fluorescent light bulb?
I’m a Gavra, not a Rabbi.
Its forbidden, see Igros Moshe–you can’t turn a car on shabbos, as you are lighting a fire, its havvaraa.
Texting is not like a car. A car has spark plugs (or other ignition methods). I don’t believe (although I could be wrong) that texting lights a fire (who knows with these newfangled gadgets) or causes combustion.
If one steals, they can pay back value if the item was used (Marish). That is due to Tikun Olam.
It has a battery like any child’s toy that you would not allow a child to use on Shabbos and therefor it is NOT permitted on shabbos.
Or your wristwatch, which you would never wear on shabbos.
Batteries do not make items “Muktza”.
Furthermore, it is possible that texting is “only” Midirabannan.
Other then that, I will Echo WIY. When children are pushed to only learn or do chessed on shabbos, they dread shabbos, instead of having a day where the parents are home and spend time with their children (playing games, learning, but most critical, having fun). Or even just take a nap and relax from the stresses of the week.
In fact, the Mishna says about certain situations that they are not a problem of Yichud because nobody is expected to do such stuff.
Yes. Non issues are not something to be worried about 9as per chazal like the gemorah kiddushin you are quoting), rather something that was/is an issue.
Ever heard of the Gemara where the Amora’im said to one another let’s go down this street where the Beis Zonos is, and get Schar?
No. I would think that it is a steerra to the gemorah that talks about “Nashim Omdos Al Kivisa” (BB 57b)
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Please tell me where the gemorah is so that I can look into it. If it exists, I have a number of questions on it (which the gemorah there may deal with).
dont worry hes been cheating her for a while and she cheats him too…
Danger Will Robinson, Danger!
And that includes Rav Yoshe Ber & Rav Shachter. 🙂
You don’t have to say maybe I will get mad and hit everyone in sight, if you know that you have yourself in control
Chazal disagree regarding Arayos. I don’t know about Ka’as.
im asking if a single girl can be just friends with a married guy or does it also not work then
IMHO, bad idea.
to Mz. adorable:
I believe that one can be “friendly” without being friends, but only with Jews. Non-Jews you can be more friendly/friends, because there is always that natural distinction/separation.
However, know yourself, and get hadracha that is tailored to you and your own Yetzer.
i heard the example of the kohen gadol who sinned at the end of his life and you know the real P’shat in that, of course.
Practical: Do not place yourself in a Matzav of the possibility of doing an Avairah, even if you have overcome that nisayon previously. You never know what or when you will break.
Ittisa has some Chassidish blood, so I am Ok with her davening mincha after shkiya if she wants.
I will echo those who say “sense of community”. I am in awe of the Satmers in that have a sense of Arvus for everyone.
what i have learned from Rabbeim is that the struggles with money Jews have, isn’t because they have to pay yeshivah tuition, buy expensive esrogim and lulavim, mazos, shabbos food, frum clothing etc. All that money that we use for that, Hashem gives us is separate and isn’t included in our designated amount of money Hashem wishes to give us.
Tuition is NOT included. Even if Chinuch Habonim is, so much of tuition goes towards others, that it doesn’t count. This is a common fallacy that Frum Yiddin have, that it doesn’t make a difference what I do, Hashem will give me the same bottom line anyway. NOT TRUE. Hashem gives brocha based on what you do, but how much per input is Katzuv from Rosh Hashana (as per Rav Moshe Wolfson). (with exceptions for true Ba’allei Bitachon, like the Rambam). We (as torah yiddin) do not believe in predestination, even in financial matters
As for the OP, get out NOW. Homeschool your children and stop paying tuition. Or discuss the issue with the school administrator, and offer to keep your children in school for a discount, or you should pull them out. Tuition is not worth Shalom Bayis, for which even Hashem’s name is erased.
Why do you say this was not something we could learn from.
I’m not. (?) I thought it was very good, I just have an Upgefreg on the Metzius of the Ma’ase.
Furthermore, the proposed document went even further than Keddushin, as it did not allow for divorce. He was right not to sign, even if he did love her & planned on giving her a ring right there and then.
I’m not a woman, but listened anyway. Very true, but nothing to do with traditional “Tznius”. Good though for “exclusitivity” with a spouse (even as a male), I feel it was worth listening to.
Second, the story of the steer has become the current shidduch market.
I loved the way he nailed the boyfriend by asking him to sign a document (which boyfriend refused to do), thus proving that pre marraige, there is no love.
(This is why a guy can’t listen to these things)
1: A similar idea to the T’Nayim and is used at the engagement.
2: The Shtaar would not have been valid (you can’t sign to do something, and a neder that is not actually stated doesn’t count. Besides, he could always do Shiaylah on the Neder, even if he did say it). T’Nayim only works because they are actually getting engaged, and there is a M’aase Kinyan, and there is a penalty.
Use a nut 🙂
Why be jittery if you know that you have the right one?
I gave up goyisher good rock and roll. I gave up my long hair, my freedom, and bookshelf filled with philosophies. I threw out all my kids’ fairy tales and curious george books. I threw out lots of clothes, photos, and non kosher dishes.
To be fair, you gave that up to be Core Charaidi, not to be frum. You could keep all of these (except the dishes) and still be frum.
I think one of the main things I give up (that I feel a lack) is vacations. Due to Yom Tov, Chol Hamoed, Tisha B’Av, Purim, etc. I can not take a “real” vacation that I actually go somewhere. All of my off days go towards Jewish off days.
Boruch Hashem.
gavra: Don’t the Sefardim pasken by SA even more so than the Ashkenazim who often go with the Rema?
In general, yes. Seemingly though, not in this case. You would have to ask a Sephardi why not, but that is what they have been doing for over 1000 years.
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Perhaps your community believes that the halachos of the Shulchan Aruch are stringencies. Such as the halacha in Orach Chaim 2:6 not to walk four amos (6-8 feet) without any sort of head covering.
They may not hold like the SA. It is common among Sephardim to only wear a head covering during tefilah & when making a Bracha. Please do not be Motzi La’az on a Kehilah that has done so for thousands of years, well before the SA was written.
Speak to the parents. If they are OK with it, have them get married at 14.
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Keddushin 30a-b
LOL.
On second thought, the girl who said something is probably just making fun of the first girl, and there is no shaychus.
Englishman: Seemingly the issue is persuasion, which the Gemorah seems to say it is easier to persuade a female than a male (in general). So if you would have two employees who are exactly the same excepting gender, and I had to steal a secret out of one of them, I would start with the female.
Yes. However, I do not wear wool in the summer, it is way too hot.
ursula momish has a good suggestion.
Thank you Obaminator.
It would seem that the answer is yes.