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Mr 80:
I’m not sure. Chumra Creep is a real issue, and perhaps this was a humorous way of trying to get the point out.
I’ll add to the list:
One must wear a black hat in the street
Girls must walk in pairs ONLY
No family pictures in your home (Tznius!)
(I’m not talking about pictures where the couple is touching, which should not be done in public anyway).
Shidduchim must only be made by a registered Shaddchan from the Yated Shidduch Forum.
Not cheating on taxes or to get benefits
(strike the last one, that might be real).
RABBAIM:
You are defacto denigrating real Halacha and the topic as mentioned in Pirkei Avos of our obligation to “assu syag laTorah” to make a fence around the Halchos so we do not violate them.
Chumra Creep causes loss of respect for real geniune Halacha based valid chumros. Only by pointing out what is a valid chumra and what is not can we keep what Chazal require from us.
veteran: OK, I assumed there were additional exemptions.
Shlishi: See Igros 4:32:4.
I’m not sure if that is what Rav Moshe is refering to, but the concept applies either way.
Shlishi: Both, as they would seem to be the same issue.
I’ve seen it happen on many occasions (I can think of about 10 off the top of my head).
Besides, you need to look for a job, and Kollel + MOFES in NYC pays better.
Joe: I wouldn’t expect anything less from you, LOL.
Anyone else?
Shlishi: IIRC, it is the difference between Das Moshe and Yehudis, one which is Minhag (and can be bent if needed) and one Halacha (Don’t remember which, perhpas someone else could help?)
My point was that if a company wants a female employee because of a legitimate tznius concern, it’s acceptable.
But illegal (in most cases), and as such, unacceptable.
Tznius concerns do not allow me not to hire an African American, either.
And if someone already asked a rov a shaila and doesn’t like the psak he got, what — halachicly (not hashkaficly) — would prevent him from re-asking the same shaila to another rov in order to get a more palatable psak? Or do you see no halachic objection to doing so?
I would think (but am not sure) that as long as he mentions the first P’sak, I don’t see it to be a halachic problem. If you “forget” to mention it then you are either not providing all the information, or you are misleading the second Rov and are guilty of Genavas Da’as.
What point are you tring to make here?
Halachicly or Hashkaficly?
Halachicly, you are probably OK (sort of like “Kim Li”). Hashkaficly, we agree it is a “bad idea”.
Iran.
Plus no one exept Obama was willing to do anything about Libya, and that got him into hot water as is.
As far as I am concerned, let them. Syria’s internal problems (for the most case) help Israel, and Assad is better for the Jews than the Iran that would take over.
On what basis must one pick one posek and follow his piskei din on ALL matters, for kula and for chumra? i.e. If you follow Rav Moshe, must you follow all his chumras too (i.e. no Shabbos clock for an air conditioner)? Why?
There is no such basis. Why do you assume there is any such rule?
However, one must make sure their actions are acceptable according to whom they asked, and can not pick and choose to get a hybrid din. The classic example of this is davening both Mincha & Ma’ariv between Plag & Shekia.
I don’t try to be a heretic… I just am.
And yet, many frum Jews would consider me a heretic and a lousy human being anyway.
Yup, count me in too. I just don’t think most of them are Frum (AKA Yeraim as Rav Moshe put it, or following Halacha) so it all evens out in the end.
But I do not have Lice!
DY:
Good idea, but it is an outright exception.
As per the OP: I completely hear the idea of a full single gender workforce as part of a school (If that is the case), and it is probably legal (as the NYC law excludes single gender schools, as well as religious institutions).
Was that BEFORE or AFTER Devorah Ha-Neviah?
The Rishonim Discuss this. I believe one opinion (IIRC) says that Barak was “officially” in charge, while everyone knew who really ran the show.
Sort of like before the War of Northern Aggression, when a Freedman had to have a White partner in order to have everything legal, while the Freedman ran the business.
Apparently they don’t have a problem with it in New Square where they overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton for the Senate in 2001.
The Wolf
A good Rayiah. T’Yuvta to all those who claim it is not allowed.
Joe:
I was going to quote Rav Miller as well, thanks.
The place for a wife (all other things being equal) is in the home, while the husband should be supporting the family.
DY:
Rav Moshe has a Teshuva on this; regarding the Gemorah Chaggiah 15a (IIRC). Basicly Rav Moshe holds by definition it is impossible (the child is a chalal or not a Mamzer), but other Rabbonim might argue.
Argh!
Doesn’t it annoy anyone else when half the conversation is deleted? I would also like to know what a Shvitzer is, so I googled it:
From “The Forward”
A shvitzer is a braggart, and the term is definitely derogatory, though not in the extreme. A shvitzer need not necessarily be a bad, unkind or even unlikable person. He does, however, have a need to boast of his own virtues, achievements and connections, which certainly can make him disagreeable company at times.
Not necessarily. Google the term “superinfection.”
The Wolf
I did not know that. Thank you.
IMHO
Everyone can get married, the question is if they should.
Someone with an STD can marry someone else with that STD.
Someone with a mental illness can marry someone else with such illness and live under supervision.
Someone who should not have children (genetics) can marry someone who can not have children (genetics).
Are they better off single or married? That is for them and/or their guardian to decide.
BS”D:
Agree with Kilo 1000%.
I have discussed this with my children when they were growing up. After hearing the Middos Machine song about going to a store, and the children tantruming until they get what they want, I asked them what do you think I would do if they acted up like that?
And then I told them. I would physically pick the child up, and remove them from the store (of course, we are not talking about doing so to teens (who don’t act like that anyway)). And I had to do it, once or twice. It is not right to the storeownwer that you are causing a situation in his store where people want to leave. I would even call it Karov to Gezel.
Please define “Orthodox.”
For the purposes of this discussion, someone who believes in maris ayin.
Because all true Orthodox rabbonim when asked would not allow for an Israeli salad to be eaten in a non-kosher restaurant.
The ones that allow it have beards that you can pull down on the elastic and Peyos that are attached to their black hats. 🙂
(Had to get Rav Tuchman in somehow)
DY: But normally, you don’t have to check, so as far as we are concerned, he is “Bar Mitzva”, due to the Chazaka, and we have no chiyuv to check.
Here, as with other dinei D’Oraysah (such as Laining Zachor), the individual must be checked.
For those who travel for work, how do you deal with some of the obstacles that a Frum Jew must face?
Do you try to find a Minyan or just daven alone?
Try to find, but Iv’e been in places where the closest Minyan is a plane ride away (not even a Chabad)
Do you bring food or buy on the road? (even if there is no kosher restaurants you can always find plenty of Kosher food at a grocery store with the OU on it)…
Bring. Don’t trust that anything will be available when you get there (unless there is a frum community).
What happens if you have to go out to dinner with a client and there is no Kosher restaurants around?
I go and don’t eat anything, not even the water, and have nothing in the spot in front of me.
Shaking hands with the opposite sex in a business setting?
Don’t.
dy: No Chazaka D’Rava
IUseBrains:
Why?
Equal to a piece of potato kugel (quote)
Quark:
162: Even in the worst of times, someone turns a profit.
285: No good deed ever goes unpunished.
Hermione:
Depends on what you want to do with your life. Reb. Bulka will not help you to be a witch, nor will it help with many other careers. I know someone who went OT/PT/SPEECH/Special ed. with it, if that is how you want to go.
Using a spell would be much quicker.
They are following in the path of Dovid HaMelech, who:
1: Searched the entire land to find the best looking girl (Avishag, IIRC).
2: Married Bas-Sheva.
Mazel Tov
Many Sefardim still accept Yibum today, per the Beis Yosef in Shulchan Aruch, EH 165:1. See MDG above for that and other sources.
Joe:
100% correct. There is a Machlokes Rishonim as per who we Pasken like. Ashkinazim hold like Abba Shaul, and Sephardim hold like the Chachamim.
In fact, HaGaon Rav Yosef Shlita was insistent (IIRC) in allowing Yibbum for Sephardim, even while the Ashkinazic Rabbonim in Eretz Yisroel were trying to disallow it for everyone.
I think the man is right. In Oz v’hadar, he says the same. Jews are affected more by Jewesses. Look it up.
Misham Rayah!?
At least Joe has a good point with affinity attraction.
Joe:
That is the whole shitta of Abba Shaul. Look it up.
Joe:
It is your fault for assuming not like Chazal! If you are ignorant regarding something, just say so, or say “I don’t know the Halacha, but….”.
(at least that is what you would say to others. Personally, I know you don’t know, but others here assume since you are the “Machmir”, you might actually know something. The harshness is really for them, not you or me.)
P.S. If this is too harsh, I apologize, but “Lo Am Ha’aretz Chassid”
on the ball: I don’t see any “tragedy” if the yevama stays married to the cheresh.
Chazal do. Every Biyah that is without the correct Kavannah is like being Boel an Issur Kares, and the child is like a Mamzer (Abba Shaul, Yevamos 39B, which is how we Pasken).
Lets see, Chazal vs. Joseph, who is right?
Just maybe Chazal?
Maybe?
First of all, Jews are more interested in Jews than in shiksas, so it’s worse when it is another Jew who is sinning compared to a goyta
Joe:
Completely disagree. A Jewess is either a Niddah or Eishes Ish, making action with her subject to Kares. A Non-jew is neither, and only a Dirabannan according to the Rambam (depending on the Machlokes Rishonim as per what is Lo’ Tischanen, see Keddushin 68B and Tos. there). As such, Jewish males are probably more interested in non-Jewesses (there are some interesting quotes regarding this concept, but I will omit them here).
Shiboles!
Ah, maybe that explains why they always feel like they’re under so much pressure. 🙂
The Wolf
Thanks for making me smile 🙂
And (trying again), Rus had to do specific actions for Boaz to realize she was the right one for him. Perhaps our current crop of girls should take a page for her book, and put more “hishtadlus” into getting married (even noting Keddushin 2b).
Today a wife has to be at least bat mitzvah age. And under secular law in the US, a wife has to be older in almost all states, even with parental consent.
Excluding the evil divorcees who figure they can get back at their spouses who gain full custody of their female children.
I remember a case way back, and it was a real problem.
BTW, there is no reason in Halacha why a girl can not get married off at birth.
Doesn’t make that much of a difference, except to show there are Sonei Yisroel even in Galus America.
PBA:
Baltimore had no interest in joining the states that were resisting federal dominance in the War of Northern Agression.
Not Southern.
Vet: even if there is no other recourse?
Joe:
Depending on what the exact case is, the damagee may be able to be Chotef.
For example, if he stole my watch, I can steal it right back.
Mr. 80: You are the mod on call who I assume has been blocking my point regarding Madison Square Garden. If it was a different Mod then I apologize.
Mr. 80:
Point being that it is not the Guf of the Stadium that creates the Issur, it is the Ma’ase that is going on in the stadium that creates it. I don’t think anyone would claim going to an empty stadium to use the bathroom has the same din as walking into a church.
Mr. 80 is just a nice guy, what can I say 🙂