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Even worse is when they escape to a different thread and repeat the misconceptions you spent pages debunking.
@ctlawyer, please calm down, take a deep breath, and explain why tourists should not be counted.
If it helps you sleep better, you can once again sandwich your reply in insults.
@yserbius123, your post is so full of lies, I don’t know where to begin.
>The discussion about the flu was you comparing apples to oranges and accusing me of being as callous and uncaring as you are.<
This is just words. In the whole thread you could not give a valid argument as to why the flu should be treated differently. You twisted yourself into a pretzel, even going as far as to claim you are ready to admit that you do not care about flu deaths if I admit that I do not care about Covid deaths.
Calling them apples, oranges or bananas, is word game and does not change the facts.
>The truth is, to protect others from the flu you don’t need to wear a mask all the time. <
This is simply false. Masks do more to prevent the Flu than Covid.
>You just have to be careful not to go out in public with a fever, or to be extra careful when the flu is going around.<
What does “more careful” mean? Wouldn’t masks help at all?
>Unfortunately, COVID is much more contagious so that’s not good enough. You have to wear a mask.<
For the upteenth time at what point does “more” make a difference?
>Your statement shows your true intentions. You are inconvenienced by being forced to wear a mask. Kal V’Chomer you are inconvenienced by lockdowns, no minyamin, washing hands, etc.<
Elementary, my dear Watson, how on earth did you figure that out? Woe is to me, for I have been found guilty of being inconvenienced by wearing a face diaper, and losing a job!
Seriously @yserbius123, what does my personal experience have to do with this argument?
I absolutely did not agree with that statement
There is no denying it. You do not want to “demand that people should mask to protect others” from the flu, therefore you agree with that statement and you are therefore, in your own words, pro-death.
@rt, if all the information was well known, why did Kerry YM”S deny talking about it?
>Trump’s directive to only count citizens was ruled unconstitutional by the Federal Courts, repeatedly. The Census Bureau did not sabotage anything. Trump was trying to sabotage the count of all persons in the US as required by the Constitution. It doesn’t say citizens in the Constitution.<
@ctlawer, according to this insane reasoning, shouldn’t tourists be able to vote too?
@yserbius123, I am truly shocked by your dishonesty. You agreed with with that statement! You agreed that masks should not be demanded for the flu even if it protects others! In fact you went so far as to say, and I quote:
while every life is precious, there is a cheshbon to be made as to what an individual’s responsibility is in saving lives
So you called me pro-death, a hater of medical professionals, an Am Ha’aretz, a cherry picker and a Chabadsker, all because of a quote that you agreed with!
It is this kind of dishonesty in the name of science that breeds anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists, and Dr. Fauci spews it anyway.
Oh wait @yserbius123, before you go because I am “cherry picking one quote by Dr. Fauci”, I’ll give you another one:
Dr. Fauci claimed that double masking is “common sense” a year into the pandemic. So for a full year Fauci had no common sense.
How does this doctor still have any credibility?
>I don’t need to answer the question, I reject its assumptions outright.<
Okay, thanks for dropping in, See you later.
>He knows better than you on everything about viruses in general and this virus in particular. He has all the data that he needs to make an informed decision as possible.<
Exactly! So why is he ignoring the data and making up excuses for his policies?
> “Why should my comfort take precedence over your safety?”<
Um… that sounds like a quote a pro-masker would say. (BTW, who said it?)
>CASE 1: assume you are one person (say an older one) with a vaccine in a group of unvaccinated (say, college or high-school students). Your chance of meeting a sick person is the same as before, but your risk ~ 10-20 lower than before the vaccine. If you remove mask and SD and start partying, you easily increase your risk back to the one that was before you had the vaccine.<
@always-ask-questions are you seriously suggesting that masking and social distancing are as effective as getting vaccinated? Do you really believe that?
>He is a genius who has been able to help millions of people in his official capacity.
Dr. Fauci attended medical school at Cornell University’s Medical College (now Weill Cornell Medicine) where he graduated first in his class with a Doctor of Medicine degree in 1966.<
No. Just no. Fauci does not get to spew nonsense because he went to medical school or saved lives. A lie is a lie even if it was the Evil Orange Man or the Saintly Old White Man who said it.
>why don’t you keep out of America<
@jackk, I find it pretty sad to hear you admit that christians put their religion first when voting, yet to jews like you the Torah is of no concern.
But to your point, the notion that christians vote Republican only because of abortions is false.
>The discussion about the republicans and democrats is not what the Torah says about these issues.<
emes-nisht-sheker started the Torah discussion, I thought you liked his thoughts.
>It is what is the proper Torah view in light of the USA being a free and democratic country with a separation of church and state. It is a country which inherently allows you to practice your religion but does not force religious views on anyone. This is the opposite of the Torah view of the total and absolute authority of Chazal , Batei Din and the King.<
You’re 100% right on that and nobody is forcing you how to believe or vote, however a discussion on how a Torah Jew should believe or vote is still valid and necessary.
>Sunday preacher’s views on religion of who is going to olam habah are not our concern.<
>without sounding like a Sunday Preacher (ie Abortion , Gays etc…) I will welcome the conversation.<
Um.. @jackk, I don’t mean to offend you, but if I remind you of a “Sunday preacher” when I mention abortions, then we might not be practicing the same religion…
(I personally have have no clue what a “Sunday preacher” sounds like.)
@emes-nisht-sheker, just to clarify; are you suggesting that the Republicans are pro-gay and pro-abortion and the Democrats are against?
>I know what you mean but it still isn’t reparations<
I don’t know about you, but if somebody gave me free cash, I would say “gracias amigo” and walk away before he can change his mind. Terms like “reparation” or “stimulus check” would not disturb me in the slightest.
When someone shows me that the republicans are the party of the Torah over the democrats without sounding like a Sunday Preacher (ie Abortion , Gays etc…) I will welcome the conversation.
>African Americans get reparations, Mexicans get amnesty<
Cuomo is trying to give them checks. Google it.
>I want reparations!<
Oh, okay… then simply put on your thick mustache and sombrero, knock on Cuomo’s door, introduce yourself as Coffeeno Addicto el illegal immigranto and before you can say ‘Sí, se puede’ you’ll have your check.
@emes-nisht-sheker, when you said you have ‘no idea what this new thread is about’, we believed you.
There was no need to prove it.
>Whenever one writes in English a lefty smudges the ink while a righty doesn’t (because he’s going in the right direction)<
Move to EY.
>It’s the republicans who release cops who kill innocent civilians.<
Give us one example please.
>“They support Terrorists. ” They killed OBL. They give Israel 12 billion dollars of aid per year.<
They increased support to the PA, so regardless of any other actions, @lakewhut is correct.
> They give money back to tax paying citizens.<
Logic would suggest that they shouldn’t take their money in the first place. But I guess only the Republicans care about logic.
>“They support ANTIFA. ” Nope. Republicans support proud boys and the KKK.<
KKK? Names please.
Reb Eliezer @laskern I honestly don’t understand you.
After fleeing communist Hungary for capitalist America, why would you support broader Government involvement in your finances?
>Not taking care of Geirim<
>but the holy Torah recognizes the requirement to help people when they are down, so the helpers will helped when they are down. <
Can we please stop using the Torah in a clearly incompatible way? This habit is frustrating to work with and degrades the whole conversation. Thank you.
>MadeAlyah, you are not in the US and don’t know what is going on.<
Okay, then why don’t you tell what’s going on. How are Republicans diminishing job skills? By keeping schools open?
>What is the use when the Republicans provide jobs if the prospective applicants don’t have the skills to apply?<
Many jobs don’t need skill training.
Many of the trained don’t get a job.
>The democrats are not doing any of these steps.
I argue that republicans are responsible for all of them.<
Democrats are not doing gun control?
Republicans are responsible for Healthcare?
>rather than the Republicans sink or swim<
Life is sink or swim. Telling anybody otherwise is setting them up for failure.
>like the Republicans who could not care less rather than providing job training and helping with their other needs<
Republicans provide the jobs.
>So all news is basically opinion and not really facts because facts means אמת and there’s no bias to it<
It’s not the news that is biased. News is just reality. It’s the presentersof the news who are biased.
>Both the Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, hold of multiple opposing views that I find abhorrent, and also views that I agree with.<
Exactly. When both parties have flaws, which of course they would, choose the one that believes in less government involvement in your life.
That should be a no-brainer.
>Why are people so biased one way or the other<
People have a narrative and use facts to support it.
When the facts fit, it proves the narrative.
When the facts don’t fit, it’s an exception to the the narrative.
Nothing changed in order for that to happen, it’s human nature.
>they felt would disenfranchise voters and make voting more difficult.<
What made them feel that? Joe Biden’s lies?
@jackk, I didn’t want to comment in this trolly thread, but I’d like to point that the Trump donation was given before the PA refused vaccines from Israel and the UAE. Now that it is crystal clear to all that the PA does not care about the health of the people it supposedly represents, Biden should not be showering it with cash.
>It is absurd to consider that all that money goes to Hamas to kill Jews.<
It definitely is absurd. However some of the money goes to education that glorifies Jihad.
That should be enough for any country that values human life to stop all funding. Period.
Last year we had jokes like the last one to die, please turn off the lights, now it’s more like the last one wearing a mask, don’t leave your house just yet – some of us are still alive. Try next year.
>Please understand that this is how most people lived through centuries<
Please explain.March 30, 2021 8:58 am at 8:58 am in reply to: Biden administration renews $15m. in support to Palestinians #1961140
I live in Israel (and ‘the real world’), that’s why I think that funding the terror-supporting PA for whatever reason is bad – no matter who does it.
Just for fun, try to tell the difference between vaccines and cash. (Hint: one of them can be easily pocketed)
>With the Knesset at a deadlock when are they going to stop and change the system?<
Should they? Definitely. I have been talking about it since the second election.
Will they? Nah.
>Can someone name some names – Democrats and Republicans, who would be good candidates for governor.<
I know a professor who would endorse him.
Trump called. He wants credit for firing her.
>I did attack him for paying hush money to his porn star mistress, which he copped to. The real surprise was that most of the Coffee Room saw nothing wrong with that.<
That’s because most Republicans care more about the job he’s doing than his personal life.
The same goes for Cuomo, they care more his nursing home scandal and his terrible Covid policies than his personal life.March 21, 2021 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm in reply to: Can Yeshivish families make aliyah with school age children? #1959408
look in the mirror , whats motivating you to take such a drastic step ? & why NOW?
look in the mirror , what’s preventing you from taking such a heroic step ? & why not NOW?
Whoa @charliehall, you do like to sidetrack, don’t you.
The history of the DemocratIC party is tied to racism. That is a fact.
Therefore, if the DemocratIC party must do away with anything that is historically racist, than the DemocratIC party should be on the list.
Don’t you agree?
To torahvalv: You clearly do not know the history of the filibuster rule.
I am not sure whether the filibuster is good or bad – for the Jews, for Americans, for blunjet – but, yes, the history of the filibuster is tied to racism. Learn some American history.
To huju: You clearly do not know the history of the Democrat party.
I am not sure whether the Democrat party is bad or worse – for the Jews, for Americans, for blunjet – but, yes, the history of the Democrat party is tied to racism. Learn some American history.
@always_ask_questions, We’ve been through the mask debate, all five pages of it, and we came to a mutual agreement (at least I think so).
Why you are still posting about it is beyond me.
>And I have a voice and will continue to bash her until she changes her voice and opinion.<
Thank you @charliehall.
>Since you live in the tiny Jewish state what do you care what she says in Washington DC?<
Because I’m an anti-anti-semite.
>A lot of Jews have negative views of Israel – including whole groups of Jews who are Tzadikim and Yiray Hashem. Are they antisemites?<
Good question. Let’s use our test:
Why do they criticize the tiny Jewish State?
A: They are jews and EY is their land, therefore they feel the need to criticize It’s guardians.
(That doesn’t mean they are right, but it also doesn’t mean they are anti-semitic)
>The topic is the discussion of the blurred lines between antisemitism and criticism of the state of israel.
If a US Congressmen would tweet “I criticize Netanyahu for trying to use the Emiratis in his election campaign” are they guilty of antisemitism?<
He is guilty of interfering in a foreign election that is free and fair.
Post #1957797 has the answer to your question.
I think @Avi-K nailed it when he said “Anti-Semitism and philo-Semitism can be two sides of the same coin.”
Anti-Semites and philo-Semites both hold stereotypes of the Jews, Anti-Semites holding negative ones and philo-Semites holding positive ones.
(whether stereotypes can be good is another topic)
So when anyone stereotypes Jews as Israelis, the question becomes; what are their views on Israel?
Trump obviously holds positive views.
Omar holds negative views.
I think the answer has to be looked at on a case by case basis.
I know it when I see it
Usually the motivations behind the statements made can be clearly diciphered by knowing who is making the statement or the context.
>She is a US Representative and until Israel completely disconnects itself from the USA , she has a voice and and opinion in how the USA deals with Israel.<
I didn’t say she doesn’t.
But the US is connected to most countries, so the question remains:
Why does she criticize the tiny Jewish State?
The problem is the dual loyalty canard that Trump and Omar spouted. It has also been used to target Catholics.
Jews who try to sabotage the State of Israel are rashaim no matter what they do in other areas of observance.
Um…. I don’t understand how you can write those two statements in one post.
>For you to trash Bibi’s covid response is not antisemitism but for Ilhan to do it would be? Please explain because this is the crux of the dilemma.<
I’ll answer you with the question that is asked of anyone who criticizes Israel:
Why do they care about the tiny Jewish State?
In Ilhan Omar’s case: she is an anti-semite.
In my case: I live in the tiny Jewish State.
>Ilhan can always find other Jews and Israeli’s who agree with her when she criticizes Israel.<
Unfortunately, you are right.
But I do owe you an apology, I thought you were talking about criticizing Israel in it’s war against terror.