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Reb Eliezer @laskern I honestly don’t understand you.
After fleeing communist Hungary for capitalist America, why would you support broader Government involvement in your finances?
>Not taking care of Geirim<
>but the holy Torah recognizes the requirement to help people when they are down, so the helpers will helped when they are down. <
Can we please stop using the Torah in a clearly incompatible way? This habit is frustrating to work with and degrades the whole conversation. Thank you.
>MadeAlyah, you are not in the US and don’t know what is going on.<
Okay, then why don’t you tell what’s going on. How are Republicans diminishing job skills? By keeping schools open?
>What is the use when the Republicans provide jobs if the prospective applicants don’t have the skills to apply?<
Many jobs don’t need skill training.
Many of the trained don’t get a job.
>The democrats are not doing any of these steps.
I argue that republicans are responsible for all of them.<
Democrats are not doing gun control?
Republicans are responsible for Healthcare?
>rather than the Republicans sink or swim<
Life is sink or swim. Telling anybody otherwise is setting them up for failure.
>like the Republicans who could not care less rather than providing job training and helping with their other needs<
Republicans provide the jobs.
>So all news is basically opinion and not really facts because facts means אמת and there’s no bias to it<
It’s not the news that is biased. News is just reality. It’s the presentersof the news who are biased.
>Both the Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, hold of multiple opposing views that I find abhorrent, and also views that I agree with.<
Exactly. When both parties have flaws, which of course they would, choose the one that believes in less government involvement in your life.
That should be a no-brainer.
>Why are people so biased one way or the other<
People have a narrative and use facts to support it.
When the facts fit, it proves the narrative.
When the facts don’t fit, it’s an exception to the the narrative.
Nothing changed in order for that to happen, it’s human nature.
>they felt would disenfranchise voters and make voting more difficult.<
What made them feel that? Joe Biden’s lies?
@jackk, I didn’t want to comment in this trolly thread, but I’d like to point that the Trump donation was given before the PA refused vaccines from Israel and the UAE. Now that it is crystal clear to all that the PA does not care about the health of the people it supposedly represents, Biden should not be showering it with cash.
>It is absurd to consider that all that money goes to Hamas to kill Jews.<
It definitely is absurd. However some of the money goes to education that glorifies Jihad.
That should be enough for any country that values human life to stop all funding. Period.
Last year we had jokes like the last one to die, please turn off the lights, now it’s more like the last one wearing a mask, don’t leave your house just yet – some of us are still alive. Try next year.
>Please understand that this is how most people lived through centuries<
Please explain.March 30, 2021 8:58 am at 8:58 am in reply to: Biden administration renews $15m. in support to Palestinians #1961140
I live in Israel (and ‘the real world’), that’s why I think that funding the terror-supporting PA for whatever reason is bad – no matter who does it.
Just for fun, try to tell the difference between vaccines and cash. (Hint: one of them can be easily pocketed)
>With the Knesset at a deadlock when are they going to stop and change the system?<
Should they? Definitely. I have been talking about it since the second election.
Will they? Nah.
>Can someone name some names – Democrats and Republicans, who would be good candidates for governor.<
I know a professor who would endorse him.
Trump called. He wants credit for firing her.
>I did attack him for paying hush money to his porn star mistress, which he copped to. The real surprise was that most of the Coffee Room saw nothing wrong with that.<
That’s because most Republicans care more about the job he’s doing than his personal life.
The same goes for Cuomo, they care more his nursing home scandal and his terrible Covid policies than his personal life.March 21, 2021 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm in reply to: Can Yeshivish families make aliyah with school age children? #1959408
look in the mirror , whats motivating you to take such a drastic step ? & why NOW?
look in the mirror , what’s preventing you from taking such a heroic step ? & why not NOW?
Whoa @charliehall, you do like to sidetrack, don’t you.
The history of the DemocratIC party is tied to racism. That is a fact.
Therefore, if the DemocratIC party must do away with anything that is historically racist, than the DemocratIC party should be on the list.
Don’t you agree?
To torahvalv: You clearly do not know the history of the filibuster rule.
I am not sure whether the filibuster is good or bad – for the Jews, for Americans, for blunjet – but, yes, the history of the filibuster is tied to racism. Learn some American history.
To huju: You clearly do not know the history of the Democrat party.
I am not sure whether the Democrat party is bad or worse – for the Jews, for Americans, for blunjet – but, yes, the history of the Democrat party is tied to racism. Learn some American history.
@always_ask_questions, We’ve been through the mask debate, all five pages of it, and we came to a mutual agreement (at least I think so).
Why you are still posting about it is beyond me.
>And I have a voice and will continue to bash her until she changes her voice and opinion.<
Thank you @charliehall.
>Since you live in the tiny Jewish state what do you care what she says in Washington DC?<
Because I’m an anti-anti-semite.
>A lot of Jews have negative views of Israel – including whole groups of Jews who are Tzadikim and Yiray Hashem. Are they antisemites?<
Good question. Let’s use our test:
Why do they criticize the tiny Jewish State?
A: They are jews and EY is their land, therefore they feel the need to criticize It’s guardians.
(That doesn’t mean they are right, but it also doesn’t mean they are anti-semitic)
>The topic is the discussion of the blurred lines between antisemitism and criticism of the state of israel.
If a US Congressmen would tweet “I criticize Netanyahu for trying to use the Emiratis in his election campaign” are they guilty of antisemitism?<
He is guilty of interfering in a foreign election that is free and fair.
Post #1957797 has the answer to your question.
I think @Avi-K nailed it when he said “Anti-Semitism and philo-Semitism can be two sides of the same coin.”
Anti-Semites and philo-Semites both hold stereotypes of the Jews, Anti-Semites holding negative ones and philo-Semites holding positive ones.
(whether stereotypes can be good is another topic)
So when anyone stereotypes Jews as Israelis, the question becomes; what are their views on Israel?
Trump obviously holds positive views.
Omar holds negative views.
I think the answer has to be looked at on a case by case basis.
I know it when I see it
Usually the motivations behind the statements made can be clearly diciphered by knowing who is making the statement or the context.
>She is a US Representative and until Israel completely disconnects itself from the USA , she has a voice and and opinion in how the USA deals with Israel.<
I didn’t say she doesn’t.
But the US is connected to most countries, so the question remains:
Why does she criticize the tiny Jewish State?
The problem is the dual loyalty canard that Trump and Omar spouted. It has also been used to target Catholics.
Jews who try to sabotage the State of Israel are rashaim no matter what they do in other areas of observance.
Um…. I don’t understand how you can write those two statements in one post.
>For you to trash Bibi’s covid response is not antisemitism but for Ilhan to do it would be? Please explain because this is the crux of the dilemma.<
I’ll answer you with the question that is asked of anyone who criticizes Israel:
Why do they care about the tiny Jewish State?
In Ilhan Omar’s case: she is an anti-semite.
In my case: I live in the tiny Jewish State.
>Ilhan can always find other Jews and Israeli’s who agree with her when she criticizes Israel.<
Unfortunately, you are right.
But I do owe you an apology, I thought you were talking about criticizing Israel in it’s war against terror.
>Where does legitimate criticism of the Israel government end and Antisemitism begin ?
Where does support for the Palestinians end and Antisemitism begin?<
@jackk, I respect the fact that you are liberal and you get your news from liberal sources, that’s fine. It’s a free country.
But please do yourself a favor and don’t get your Israel news from them, you’ll thank me if you do that. Guaranteed.
Anti-Semitism and philo-Semitism can be two sides of the same coin.
>MadeAliyah – I understood exactly what you are saying. And I am pointing out your lack of appreciation. Whole world has 10-20% of the country vaccinated, where Israel is alsmot fully vaccinated. No, you are inconvenienced by lockdowns.<
I, among many others, lost a job thanks to his terrible policies. So please excuse my lack of overwhelming gratitude for this ‘helicopter prime minister’.
>So, for those in US who feel slighted that Americans did not give Trump credit for vaccines, here is Bibi who vaccinated more than anyone in the world short of a Rock of Gibraltar – still not good enough for Israelis…<
Did you actually read my post?
Bibi turned into a dictator over Covid, his restrictions were worse than Cuomo’s. The guy still has the chutzpa to threaten us with more lockdowns.
>“I don’t think the Torah’s economic system is compatible to ours.”
Correct. It requires a much more generous welfare state. And certain things we take for granted today like interest on loans, limited liability corporations. securitization of debt, bankruptcy, the cancellation of debts at death, caveat emptor on purchases (except for real estate), and freehold land tenure do not exist in the Torah’s system.<
That’s not what I meant.
The Torah economy relies on the land being a permanent property that cannot be fully sold.
Modern states cannot use that model for obvious reasons.
>Maybe it is good that Bernie Sanders is an unlearned Jew. Could you imagine what he would be like if he discovered that the Torah does not permit corporations at all?<
>“The Torah demands the same tax percentage from all income brackets.”
The Rabbis changed that. See Yerushalmi Peah Perek Chet. There is no fixed percentage given for the mandatory contributions for support of the poor.<
Point is, no progressive income tax.
>It is already significant. Where is Mashiach?<
It is? Did I miss the end of the world? I always miss those important things! Maybe next time…
>Well I wish we did have Netanyahu as the US head of government rather than Trump, as Netanyahu has about 40 more IQ points and did a great job on COVID-19, unlike the venal Trump.<
I wish you did have him on Covid and he left us alone.
Israel’s Covid strategy – besides the vaccines which he deserves credit for – was simply put; horrible.
In Israel masks are still mandatory for no reason at all.
>He endorsed a neo-Nazi, Paul Nehlen, in a congressional primary. That even a single Jew could support Trump after that shows that Trump Jews have interests other than those of the Jewish people as primary.<
Biden restarted funding for the PA that funds the families of terrorist who killed jews. That even a single Jew could support Biden after that shows that Biden Jews have interests other than those of the Jewish people and the jewish state as primary.
(I don’t believe the above comment, but you should)
>Trump said that “very fine people” marched with Nazis in Charlottesville.<
There were normal people who opposed the removing of a statue in their town.
Should the fact that Neo-Nazi’s opposed it too make them not oppose it? I don’t understand why.
>Unequivocably condemning Nazis should be the easist political position to take<
Should he have said something like “the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists. They should be condemned totally.”?
>Note that both David Duke and Louis Farrakhan had supported Trump in 2016. Three hatemongers — all birds of a feather.<
Do you agree with every Biden supporter? Do you think he is comparable to them?
Look @charliehall, I know you fear the Alt-right, we all do.
But most sane people fear the extreme left more and for a good reason:
The left is stronger and is growing with alarming speed.
>Regarding business conduct the Torah is arguably to the left of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren<
The Torah demands the same tax percentage from all income brackets.
Sounds more like to the right of Trump, doesn’t it?
In general, I don’t think the Torah’s economic system is compatible to ours.
>ENS i dont even know where to start in my response to you.<
It is my firm belief that ENS is actually a Republican troll trying to make Democrats look stupid.
I think it’s unnecessary ENS, the Dems have proven that they are quite capable of doing it on their own.
>I like Mitt Romney, John Kasic, Adam Kinzinger and Liz Chenney among Republicans.<
But do they care about climate change?
Don’t you know that “allowing the world hashem gave us to be destroyed” is the “single overriding” Aveirah?
>MadeAliya, I am the center. Everyone on the right of me is a Nazi, everyone on the left of me – a Commie. Try using this attitude, it really works!<
Interesting idea, but I personally prefer to be open about my bias. I don’t think that’s a bad thing
>Seriously speaking, there are multiple dimensions in politics – economic, social, international. For example, Israeli haredi parties are on the right are on the right socially, but on the left economically.<
That is so true.
Also, the Israeli right-wing parties are conservative but not libertarian.
(There was a libertarian party that ran about a year ago but they failed to pass the threshold)
Back to the OP, here are my comments:
>I believe trump ushered the geulah (and I wouldn’t be surprised if people on the other side thought the same thing for other reasons just like I feel the same about Biden)<
Et tu Coffee Addict?
>The white nationalist are encouraged in their anti-semitism by Trump not clearly condemning their behavior,<
Trump could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue, shoot a Nazi and still not lose any haters.
> inciting their insurrection on the Capitol and has nothing to do with his grandchildren and Israel.<
The insurrection on the Capitol and had nothing to do with white nationalism.
>He will speak out against anti-semitism not like Trump who made it look like he encourages it.<
Nothing makes it look like you encourage anti-semitism more than having jewish grandchildren and supporting the jewish state.
>left of center CR commenters such as Charlie Hall, Huju, Reb E, AAQ, Amil Etc.<
AAQ is left of center? I thought he was on the right.
>But at least they are adults making well thought out points that I disagree with<
>I’ll stipulate that Joe makes no pretense of being moichiach but will make z’man moishiach more likely in our time.<
Notice that no Trump supporter in this forum called him moshiach.
Yet we now have a Biden supporter who believes that Joe is ushering in the Geulah.
>The rich use more government infrastructure, so they need to pay more taxes.<
They also create more jobs and boost the economy.
>Actually he prefers bike riding on his peloton or outside and going to church. A lot different than the former guy.<
Indeed. The former guy’s religion meant more to him than just talking about it and then signing an EO to allow the funding of abortions.
>Your saying that since during a pandemic Biden had low crowds makes Biden’s win by 7 million votes questionable is like saying that you walked into a empty shul last pesach is proof that the shul’s membership is down.<
When did I say that?
>He was downplaying the pandemic and thereby destroyed the economy<
What on earth are you talking about? How are the two connected?
>By giving the impression that he is for white supremacist<
Nothing gives the impression that you’re for white supremacy, more than condemning them and gaining an increase in black support.
>Why don’t we all stop? This is a Jewish forum, after all. I don’t think halakha allows being first in lying or second. I suggest making genuine arguments, rather then repeating what you saw on another channel.<
I wish we would.
Again we see the incredible arrogance of the Biden haters in spewing easily debunked motzi shem ra. They think nobody will catch their lies.
Trump haters spew easily debunked ‘motzi shem ra’ too. I very often don’t even need to Google it.
So please don’t pretend it’s only the ‘Trumpies’ who spread misinformation.
My friend says his wife keeps hiding the vodka, so he uses hand sanitizer instead. It doesn’t taste as good, but does the job.
>He has not spent one day on the golf course.<
Nope, as the adult in the room, he prefers to play Luigi at Camp David.