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Also, imagine? We have facilities named after, and monuments to Nazi’s in this country. Who do you think got us to the moon? – Many people have no idea how many NAZIS who were useful to the U.S. / Russia (such as the head of NASA) were allowed to continue their careers.
People can object to statues, but we have a process in this country to effect change, at least we used to, and it wasn’t Marxist Agitators and Race Baiting Organizers leading a nationwide terror campaign.
Why not use a real life example? Ukraine has statues to Bogdan Khmelnitzky (gezeros tach v’Tat) and others because of their legit cultural significance to Ukraine. When Jews took offense to the statues because of the massacres how much sympathy and accommodation did the Jews get? Did the Jews rampage in response?
I should add that in 2000 I initially refused (for no good reason) and ended up in a long conversation with a census bureau employee who came to my house.
It does not require me to cooperate. Ok. Per the census bureau website participation is mandatory, as described in Title 13 of the U.S. Code. (So organizing a census is from the Constitution and the obligation for people to participate is from the U.S. Code.) So at a minimum you have issues with dina d’malchusa, no?
A big fan of your posts over the years, your reason for not cooperating is very “Milhouse” and honestly you crack me up.
As for the chilul Hashem part, you might reconsider. I didn’t use that term loosely. If you don’t send in the form no one knows who lives there. But if an enumerator comes out to your residence and you refuse them in person and you look like a frum Jew (added to the others who refuse for less unique reasons) the benefit you gain from minutely advancing your political agenda is seemingly outweighed by the negative perception you likely cause. If for no other reason how much it costs the taxpayers for follow up. Maybe if you’re really friendly and spend time explaining your reason for not participating you can make a Kiddush Hashem, as they’ll think this guy isn’t ignorant/apathetic/nasty he’s just off his rocker and it will help individuate the community.
I forgot to include drunk on my list. Maybe the person is too shikker to answer a few questions.
The decennial census doesn’t count Jews, but the U.S. Census Bureau also conducts a sample survey called NCVS (Natl Crime Victimization Survey) which among many crimes measures hate crimes, including anti-Semitic hate crimes. If there is a lack of cooperation in a “Jewish area” these uncooperative people are not causing, but certainly hampering the Federal government from combating [the rising magefa of] Antisemitism.
The number one reason for not participating in the census is ignorance. Number two absence (which is no problem so we’ll leave that out.) Number three extreme selfishness/inconsideration such as when people say they don’t have the “time.” Which is as about as selfish as opposing Hatzalah because it adds traffic to the road when you want to drive somewhere. Number four is probably anti-government sentiment. People are angry at the government for an unrelated reason so they take it out on the census (which is really a subsection of #1) and then there is illness. Some people are too sick to respond and maybe they have no one to help them. Since the census uses translators (including Yiddish an Hebrew) lack of English is no reason. I guess there are people can claim laziness or something. When a census enumerator is (illegally) thrown out by a frum Yid the chilul Hashem is of the highest magnitude. Not hyperbole at all. It reveals (or confirms) a level of ignorance (and their lack of that person’s education and / or civility) that’s hard to overestimate. The 10-year census of every person is required by the constitution. That’s the only obligation for every person in the United States. You can’t name a single other one. Because there isn’t any. When someone refuses the census (even though we no longer prosecute) it’s a very poor showing in the eyes of the employees of the census bureau. And when a Yid foolishly behaves that way, it’s also a massive, needless chilul Hashem.
Not cooperating with the Census Bureau is like chasing away the mailman and then wondering, “How come there’s no mail in my box?”
The U.S. Census brings brocho ($$$) and representation to states in direct proportion to the population calculated (indirectly as Milhouse pointed out). Anyone who doesn’t cooperate, especially if you refuse when the census bureau follows up with your household directly, causes a Chilul Hashem of the highest magnitude.
So the allegation that HCQ is dangerous has been debunked. See NY Post. 06/04/2020 5:15 PM. Now let’s get some real tests of the Zelenko Protocol.
Many white people including many in the media and academia aren’t able to distinguish or consistently blur the line between thugs and black people. For all their “woke” talk, they’re the ones who consider people with dark skin less than fully human, from low expectations to thinking thugs have a “right” to riot. I watched this idiot reporter interviewing black demonstrators feeling so good about herself for being so progressive with NO CLUE how much most black people hate being told they’re “WELL SPOKEN” after they make a coherent point. Yes. Black people are from the min ha’medaber. Their speech usually correlates with their level of education. My black neighbor does not go to the demonstrations. As it was in 1979, 1991, 1992, Ferguson (I don’t remember the riots of the 1960s) the 2020 riots will hurt good black people more than anyone else. The thugs will go through what they stole and they’ll still be thugs. Finding success in life is hard work for most people. People who want to better their station can. No one can do it for you. People who want to even find a way to turn their lives around in prison. Some people have a head start. Some people get lucky. Some people get what they don’t deserve. But focusing on them doesn’t help. Sometimes it takes more than one generation. Parents sacrifice for their children. In some inner city neighborhoods kids who try to be good get beat up by young bullies and thugs. Riots won’t change that. How about the Ad Council run an unrelenting campaign telling (inner city) kids that it’s okay to be courteous to a police officer. Telling them what they can say to peer-pressure that urges them to risk their lives fighting cops.
So Floyd was positive for coronavirus and in his inebriated state Floyd may have “threatened” the police officers with his infection, which can be why they took him out of the squad car. Then he wouldn’t stay put, and things escalated (contains some not-far-fetched speculation).
100% I don’t think it was ok to kill Floyd. It was wrong. No diukim. The punishment for passing counterfeit twenties and resisting arrest, is not death by cop. But I don’t hold from glorifying Floyd as if he was some upstanding guy. I don’t see one good thing about Floyd and I really I don’t feel bad that he’s gone. He won’t be able to rob anyone else at gunpoint or pass bogus money. He was and remained a thug until his bitter end.
Nah.. not good enough.
I’m just speaking in theory. (If this was someone independent/credible doing the testing.
If someone has no anti-bodies (which I understand to mean they did not have the coronavirus) but Dr. Zelenko gave them his protocol (just in case) wouldn’t the percentage of those people who were or weren’t damaged tell us something about the safety of the protocol?
And also wouldn’t those who have the antibodies (meaning they had the virus) who got the treatment early and it didn’t progress, tell us something about the protocol’s efficacy? I’m just asking theory. Not suggesting we should accept Zelenko’s protocol in actuality based on this study.
Floyd was an unrepentant criminal who was committing crime up until 20 minutes before his death. Even with his dying breath he expressed no remorse for his life of crime. He should not be extolled as a hero, painted on murals as if he were a role model. He died on illegal street drugs during an episode of resisting arrest. The cops did not drag an upstanding citizen with dark skin (of which there are many) away from his productive life and “strangle” him. And what happened to statistics regarding resisting arrest and poor outcome. Isn’t picking “anecdotes” a way to get bad information?
Since I moved out of Crown Heights after our experience with “peaceful protests” of 1991, sorry if I seem insensitive to anyone on this subject.
If Dr. Zelenko’s patients were tested for anti-bodies to see how many of his patients actually had Covid, would that scientifically impact the significance of his treatment?
Also if his patients were examined for (lasting) side effects caused by HCQ-Zinc treatment would that scientifically tell us anything about the potential harm / safety of the protocol? Especially if it was given to non-ill patients?
“There was never a possibility of making it go away by staying home”?
– Yes. Flatten the curve always meant stagger the rate of infection so that the hospitals and their staff don’t get overwhelmed.
And need to open back up to save the economy (and other health problems caused by extended lock down) says nothing about the terrible tzar people might endure until death when catching covid due to opening things back up.
(Unless they prove or decide to accept and make available the Zelenko Protocol which Dr. Zelenko very much still insists works and apparently the President of the United States believes and is on himself, or they come up with something better.)
If memory serves, TYW resident anti-vaxxers (nebach) already started declaring their opposition.
Adam Rogers has a great article on Wired that gives some clarity into what’s going on.
– There has NOT yet been a clinical trial of Dr. Zelenko’s protocol.
– Dr. Zelenko is to the best of his medical ability treating his patients. He’s not studying a medication.
– The heart trouble came from Brazil where they (recklessly) used MASSIVE DOSES of hydroxychloroquine.
– Waiting until patients are critical to start giving hydroxychloroquine is foolish because obviously it can’t reverse organ failure.
– Taken EARLY zinc has been effectively used to shorten the duration of other coronaviruses such as the common cold.
– The “media” turned on hydroxychloroquine they way they ran stories against masks because of shortages of the meds needed for people with Lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
– Much of the media wants to stick it to Trump.
– Much of the media finds it in their interests to confuse people (my opinion).
– If the Zelenko Protocol works Corporate Pharma leaves billions on the table (my opinion).
Is the Zelenko Protocol quack medication? He’s not selling anything. Quacks usually push an unproven/ disproven “alternative” remedy. I can find no other studies combining hydroxychloroquine with ZINC. Is he trying to sell copies of his book? Is he insane? Is he lying about his numbers? Does he pre-screen for people who likely would recover anyway? He just combined treatments used in other countries and started people on them earlier. What was the outcome of his 1,200 patients whom he didn’t treat with the three-drug cocktail?April 30, 2020 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm in reply to: Did KJ have less Covid Deaths Thanks to Dr. Zelenko? #1855566
I know if I feel myself getting covid symptoms, based on Dr. Z’s 5-page letter, and his videos, unless something clearly better comes out, I would be willing to try his protocol myself.April 30, 2020 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm in reply to: Did KJ have less Covid Deaths Thanks to Dr. Zelenko? #1855539
Unless Dr. Zelenko is a fraud and insane (which is NOT the sense I get from listening to him and reading his letter) there is something very odd with the way his treatment is being ignored in the U.S (and the Jewish world). Even TYW didn’t publish his recent 5-page letter. I get that the doctor’s choice of yarmulke (taken at face value) indicates a massive blind spot. But he’s a real doctor and I don’t see evidence of anyone else replicating his protocol and disproving his findings. Dr. Z says he’s treated 1600 COVID patients and used the protocol on 450. Only one of the 450 died and that patient had preexisting leukemia. How about the other 1,200 that weren’t candidates from the three-drug cocktail. Why weren’t they candidates? He doesn’t say how many of those (if any) died. Are there no readers of TYW in K.J. who have first hand info on what’s really happening up there? Or can TYW interview Dr. Z directly?
I’m still on the fence. The media loves confusing people. According to Dr. Zelensky in the correct dose Hydroxychloroquine unlocks the door and Zinc fights the illness. The third medicine targets secondary infections. Maybe this study only tested Hydroxychloroquine. Next they’ll release news about only testing zinc and say that doesn’t work. Then they’ll test the two together but in too high doses and say that causes too many side effects. Then they’ll test hydroxychloroquine with zinc and azythromycin but too late in the game and say that doesn’t work. Then they’ll test it on people who in Zelensky’s opinion aren’t candidates for this treatment so that won’t work either. Eventually they’ll get to Dr. Zelinsky’s exact protocol and say wow this actually works. Of course there is the possibility that in pre-screening the patients who get this treatment Dr. Zelensky is selecting patients who would recover without the treatment and that it’s no better than placebo. I want to see the results of a trial duplicating Dr. Zelensky’s exact protocol. Unless they’re suppressing the news, I’m not seeing reports of people dying in KJ.April 13, 2020 11:39 am at 11:39 am in reply to: The Future of שָׁלוֹם עֲלֵיכֶם Handshaking with Social Distancing #1849186
Instead of a handshake people should say sholem aleichem along with two tenuos of the yeshivishe thumb. The respondant says aleichem sholem with two slightly larger tenuos of the thumb.
User176: If you are not afraid because you are in a category of people with a good chance of coming through the coronavirus with a mild experience (though there are no guarantees) and you want to do good by Yidden maybe it’s right for you to volunteer with Chevra Kadisha or in an ICU unit.
Hi lowerourtuition11210: The way I understand it, the kids will bring the COVID-19 home and infect their parents and (if not isolated) grandparents who will experience this novel coronavirus differently than the kids do. My initial reaction was to crack ‘jokes’ such as, we have to learn more, as it says, “s’nu COVID la’Torah …” But now it’s sunk in. COVID-19 is real. At the current rate of infection (no matter how much you wash your hands) 40%-70% of the population will get sick. Most people will have a “mild” form of the disease. Many (numbers-wise not percentage-wise) will get very sick and die. We need to try and slow the rate of infection. Because if the lines for treatment at hospitals start looking like the lines for toilet paper at Target, doctors will start making decisions about who gets on a ventilator and who doesn’t. That’s where Italy is today. Who wants to be responsible for bringing home the virus that sends a family member to their death without a tahara?
“BH 40 mosdos zenen ofen heint” – Who needs grandparents anyway. And do kids really need their diabetic fathers and mothers, especially if the parent also has high blood pressure? Better sit in class another week. If the older generation suffers or c”v dies from Coronavirus, the tinokes shel beis rabon can get their delicious nosh and soda from someone else. (sarcasm)
I think a consensus is forming that Hadloka wood must be glatt (800 grit minimum) and hiddur mitzvah is zoch wood, i.e. real lumber (no particle board that has glue and other fillers). Mehadrin min hamehadrin is (for example) old growth, eye of the redwood, only using the dense center of each log. The rest of the wood you can use to burn the Chometz or even bake matzah. Just not for the bonfire. Needless to say, Hadloka wood should be chopped by a chassidishe lumberjack.
maybe Pro Schnapps is worried that the wood will get wet and somehow distill and Methanol (wood alcohol) will form? PSA: drinking wood alcohol causes blindness.
if you also need for the wood to be glatt, while you’re at Home Depot get some sandpaper.January 29, 2020 2:24 am at 2:24 am in reply to: What happens if the Corona Virus spreads to the U.S. #1827025
What happens if the Corona Virus spreads to the U.S.? The nutjobs argue against everything the medical community/govt advises to do.
A deal breaker question would be, Does your family play nun-gimmel-hey-shin? Or do you hold from gimmel takes the pot? And more importantly, do you let the dreidel spin? or do you spin and smack it down?
If the Torah was on board with going to doctors at the time of the exodus then using kal vechomer you got to go to doctors in 2019 when Western medicine actually knows what its talking about.
Mishpatim 21 posuk 19: “and the cost to him to be thoroughly healed,” is understood by mainstream Jewish commentators as doctors’ bills since it doesn’t cost anything to hope and pray that Hashem heals. Which in the Shulchan Aruch is then cited as a mitzvah to go to a doctor when you’re sick.
coffee addict: see Rashi on Exodus 21:18-19
Since Torah says to follow doctor’s medical opinions why isn’t anti-vaxxing propoganda banned from YWN as kefirah?
If you make large stuffed cabbage rolls and small stuffed cabbage rolls and serve one of each side by side it looks like a Torah scroll at the end/beginning of the cycle.
If I share someone’s music without permission could that be considered loshon hara? (and if the music is bad motzei shem ra?)
Personally I buy about 10 Jewish CDs a year from a store in Boro Park. It makes me happy to support the new singers and bands. Many are absolutely first rate. The music scene is more than doing their part to unite the larger Jewish community.July 3, 2019 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm in reply to: Where Are All The Commentators About The Ethiopian Protests #1751940
Joseph: I’ve seen videos of Shabbos demonstrations where people are getting out of control. Maybe it’s not rioting on the scale of the Ethiopians, but it’s not “civil disobedience.” And if memory serves, I’ve read stories of police having to rescue ambulance drivers and phone company repairmen who entered Charedi neighborhoods on legitimate public business. What’s that about? If people want to protest chillul Shabbos why don’t they stand or sit in the street and sing? Why throw stones? And then if the cops drag to jail people who offer no resistance you can claim civil disobedience. And if they sang on the sidewalk in a beautiful way not blocking traffic and the “Zionist” police on horseback dispersed people with clubs for blocking pedestrians you’d maybe even garner international support of the press.July 3, 2019 7:00 am at 7:00 am in reply to: Where Are All The Commentators About The Ethiopian Protests #1751750
Too Geshmak: Having lived through the Crown Heights riots of 1991 and out in L.A. during those riots (where I felt afraid for my life both times) I don’t condone rioting. But it’s clear to me that Charedi riots in Israel erupt from lesser issues than people being shot dead by police. I don’t ever recall hearing about Israeli cops killing frum Yidden. But if the Israeli police were to summarily shoot dead some (theoretical) Rebbe whose Chassidim are known for demonstrating and then those Chassidim rioted I’d probably say well what did you expect?July 2, 2019 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm in reply to: Where Are All The Commentators About The Ethiopian Protests #1751525
Reb klugeryid, when’s the last time the Israeli police shot and killed an unarmed Charedi?June 27, 2019 12:41 pm at 12:41 pm in reply to: What’s the difference between protests and parades #1748462
This is how the original question sounds to me.
Do I still have to drop a token in the turnstile before getting on the subway (before Metro cards) if I drop the same amount of money in a pushka before leaving the house?
To elaborate. What’s the difference where I give the money? I’m not doing it for me, because I don’t save anything. I gave the money to a local charity. In my opinion the local charity actually gives the public more bang for its buck than the transit authority. So I did a good thing by jumping the turnstile?
Yiddish words and phrases such as
– Raboisai mir vellen bentchen (Gentleman we will say grace)
– Itzt iz men mechabed (We now honor)
– (So and so) ruft a sholem zochor (Announces the welcoming of a male offspring)
– Yartzeit (Death anniversary)
are as much part of my Judaism as Purim and Chanukah …
Getting rid of Yiddish for the expediency of English is like tearing down an ornate, functional, landmarked mansion and replacing it with an up to code sterile apartment building with central air and gated parking.
– a shailah for which he is not qualified
Conversion, Divorce, Medical Ethics … are three fields that come to mind for which you will likely get a referral (or have your questioned escalated) to a specialist rabbi.
The frum crowd, of course.
you might try “Shabbos kaydish.”
I call it Shabbos to sound frum
to what crowd? (lol)
When I was a kid we called that country Eretz Yisroel. “Israel” felt as weird as calling Shabbos “Saturday.” The super frum called Eretz Yisroel “Eretz Hakaydish.”
To Milhouse: Regarding your post on another thread, to me, ‘hakkeh es shinov’ means knock his teeth out. I tune out when people tell me otherwise. I do my best to forget that this is incorrect, because ‘punch the villain in the mouth’ is a lot more fun than whatever the phrase really means.
My meal late Saturday afternoon is shaleSHUdes, and my meal Sunday morning is “brekkfist.” Not break FAST. The guy who stood at the lectern leading the minyan is said to have davened farren UHmid, or in Brooklyn Yinglish, “davened fi’ the UHmid.”
People shouldn’t brush and certainly not floss. I’ve never seen a rigorous double-blind study showing that having teeth is better than no teeth. And the earlier in life you lose all teeth the less exposure you have to the chemicals in the dentist office. And I’ve seen many happy smiling people without a tooth in their mouth and many people with all their teeth get into bad moods.