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oomisParticipant
oomis – I’m curious to know what your stories of hashgacha are…any specific ones come to mind?”
I posted them in the past, would not want to bore anyone here by rpeating the entire megillah, but VERY basically, my father O”H was zocheh to amazing H”P in the army, where he was in the Intelligence division and captured a Nazi whose villa was filled with paintings (of his family) that had been painted over klafim of Sifrei Torah. The first one that my father O”H found, was painted over the klaf containing his own bar-mitzvah Parsha, PArshas Shemini.
Parshas Shemini (Toras Hakohanim)has since that time been a recurring theme in my family, which is a family of Kohanim. All the male children in the family who had at least one grandparent on the other side who was a Holocaust survivor, were born either on Parshas Shemini or on one of the two other Parshios that my father found that day (Acharei Mos and Kedoshim), all from three separate Sifrei Torah. In addition, my mother O”H was herself born to one of those Parshios, and was nifteres on Shabbos Parshas Shemini. My daughter reached the age of bas mitzvah bo bayom on Shabbos Shemini a couple of years later.
There are other stories as well, but perhaps another time.
oomisParticipantHe was testing he fortitude to see if she could hold out under such trying circumstances .”
Sounds like it was her intestinal fortitude he was testing…
OK, I could not resist that.
Let’s not poke fun, the fellow must have been extremely nervous or a little socially awkward; it’s not a crime against humanity. I would however, speak to the shadchan and apprise him/her of the reason why your friend will not go out again with him.
oomisParticipantoomis: very nice! (did you mean Tof?)
yes, but I have heard it pronounced as Tov (tawv) also.
As an aside – the way we pronounce the name of the letter just after Reish, is supposed to be Tzaddi, but everyone says Tzaddik because it preceedes a kuf. I bet most of us do not really know the correct exact pronunciation of some of the letters of the aleph bet.
September 6, 2012 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm in reply to: Where to start becoming Jewish when family roots discovered #991132oomisParticipantI hope that everything is going well with you? I always enjoy reading your posts on the various threads 🙂 “
Thank you, and thank you. I am sorry to hear about your mother’s health right now. May her recovery be speedy and complete, so she can have nachas from seeing her daughter’s life-changes and growth.
oomisParticipantOwning an Iphone is not an avayra.”
response:
“Maybe it is. Maybe it isn’t. That’s not the point. If he is did sin, then he belongs getting rid of it as part of his teshuva. If he doesn’t then it isn’t sincere teshuva. “
my response to the response:
That is exactly the point. If what he did was NOT an aveira, then what teshuva do you feel he has to be doing?????? Unless by ALL accounts owning these items is an aveira, there is no teshuva needed, sincere or not.
oomisParticipantI want to fit in with all the other girls also…try putting yourself INTO MY SHOES instead of hers for a minute…..”
That’s the first problem – what if the girls you want to fit in are not such nice girls (not saying they are not)that their opinion counts as much as you are allowing it to? That’s your first exposure to peer pressure. Do you always do only what other popular girls want you to do? BTW, I have been in BOTH sets of shoes, the person who was not so popular (because I lived out of the immediate neighborhood, though only five minutes away by car) and the person who as an adult was pursued by that “less than desirable” very needy friend (as you are being pursued right now). SO while you do not think I can understand what you are saying, I really DO. I also understand how painful this situation must be for the other girl. And it would be an eye-opener for you to put YOURSELF in HER shoes for a moment. I am not criticizing you, I am trying to sensitize you to what is happening here.
Twenty or thirty years from now you will possibly not even REMEMBER half the girls in your class, much less be friends with them. But you WILL remember and deeply regret if you treated someone badly in order to gain favor with those others who might not be such great girls themselves, or they wouldn’t hold against you the fact that you are nice to this lonely girl and leave her out of activities that you all share. Unless there is way more to this story than what you have presented so far, and this girl is a nasty and simply completely unlikeable person with no redeeming value, both you and your friends might try a new approach. Maybe if she felt other people were more friendly, she would not feel the need to attach herself to one person alone (and I commend you for having done SOMETHING that led her to believe she had at least one friend).
oomisParticipantI don’t recall if I ever posted this, but when I was in Seminary many decades ago, my father Z”L, sent me a letter (yes, we still used snail mail in those days)in time for Rosh Hashana, and started it off with a short D”T. He said that in the word BREISHIS is contained the essence of why Hashem created the world.
He Created/Barah – Beis, Reish, Aleph, Shisha (Sidrei Mishnah) – Shin, 10 (Dibros) – (Yud), and it all comprises the Torah – Tov.
I really liked that one.
September 6, 2012 2:25 am at 2:25 am in reply to: Where to start becoming Jewish when family roots discovered #991118oomisParticipantHow are things going for you, Aurora?
oomisParticipantI wanted to meet Murphy, but on the way there, my car ran out of gas, my cell phone went dead, and the GPS told me I was in Marrakesh. The open sun roof got stuck and it started to rain. Then things started to go wrong.
oomisParticipantDouble-dippers
oomisParticipantNope. That was me internalizing some of the extreme positions posited here. I probably shouldn’t do that anymore.”
And therein lies the satire.
oomisParticipantYiharog V’al Yaavor.”
Uh… that would be “yeihareig v’al yaavor.” (pet peeve of mine when this is misquoted – sorry).
Your way means, he should kill, but not transgress(that is kind of an oxymoron, since one of the yeihareig v’al yaavors IS murder).
The other way means, one should BE killed rather than transgress. Crucial difference.
oomisParticipantI’m with sam2. I thought it was satirical writing. Especially when you said obnoxious things about yourself for asking your family members how they were.
oomisParticipantI just told my kids and now my grandchildren that on Shabbos we have special things that we eat, drink, do, and play with, that we don’t do when it is not Shabbos. I keep special Shabbos toys for the little ones, and there are treats they are ONLY allowed to have on Shabbos,a nd they look forward to Shabbos for that reason alone. I explained muktzah to them as things that we don’t use because then Shabbos would be just like any other day, and because it is special to us we also act in a special way.
My children were never permitted to use riding toys on Shabbos, though I see the frummest kollel families allowing their kids on tricycles and other such toys. I don’t happen to think that’s a good precedent from a chinuch standpoint alone.
oomisParticipantFeif, I would wear sleeves to cover the elbow. I wouldn’t at this point in my life do LESS than I normally do, but in a community where everyone dressed even MORE covered up, so would I, or not go there at all. The point is to act with derech eretz and not be “in their face” when we possibly dress a little more relaxed than they do.
Some people (such as the rebbetzin you mention) btw, do feel that the top or middle of the elbow is the cut off point. I used to dress that way, but over the years adopted slightly longer coverage. I don’t view it as being more or less tzniusdik than others, it’s just how I have evolved over time.
oomisParticipantAre you talking to me or oomis? 🙂 “
Ya know OOM, I was wondering the same thing.
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oomisParticipantEmunah peshutah is what you are supposed to have in spite of NOT having proof. I have proof all around me, but the recognizable Hashgocha Protis in my life is really (for me, anyway), the best proof there is.
oomisParticipantIt is not a crime to be boring or wanting to learn. Some really boring people grew up to be Fortune 500 members. As to the crying, well her feelings were clearly hurt, and though I personally feel she needs to act with a little more dignity than that, and she definitely needs to mature, I think you can reasonably understand why she felt so sad. It must be very painful to walk in her shoes. A little empathy might go a long way.
oomisParticipantI always wear sleeves that cover my elbows. But when I go to neighborhoods where women cover the entire arm to the wrist, I dress that way, too so as to a) not stick out like a sore thumb and b) show some derech eretz for the people who live there. It’s a no-brainer to me. If I would really be uncomfortable to dress more like the people in that place, then I would avoid going there.
oomisParticipantI actually thought your self-deprecation was deliberate sarcasm. I didn’t get the sense that you actually FEEl that way about yourself. So if you do – I think you are an intelligent, witty, and earnest poster, and have nothing to be embarrassed about.
oomisParticipantGet youself a can of Raid
The ants will go once you have sprayed!
oomisParticipantMy thoughts: I cant do that! I would never tell her about my personal life, on several accounts she has embarresed me and told people something I did not want shared……..”
So THAT is a really legitimate complaint, I admit. Tell her straight out that because she has shared your personal thoughts with others inappropriately, you are not comfortable telling her personal information for now.
There is nothing wrong with loving school and loving your teachers. Does she have to NOT like it because you or your friends don’t?
She thinks you’re angry with her, because frankly, you are giving off that vibe to her. You clearly have stated you don’t care to have her in your life too much. Do you think she doesn’t see that on your face? You don’t have to be her best friend. But at least be friendly. She sounds very lonely.
oomisParticipantI feel bad but do I need to make myself miserable for the rest of high school, to make her happy???????? “
Is it really such an either/or situation? Does making her happy HAVE to make you miserable? You don’t have to be her best friend (really), but you should not put her in cherem, either. You would not like it if the clique of friends you belong to suddenly decided YOU were persona non grata for some dumb reason (like they don’t like what you are wearing).
September 5, 2012 3:59 am at 3:59 am in reply to: What's the point of participating in an opinion based online forum? #894956oomisParticipantI don’t need to change anyone’s opinion. But I do like to express my own, especially when I feel strongly about an issue. This is a safe place to do so. I also love hearing how other people outside of my own demographic think and feel.
oomisParticipantI won’t second guess a Mesadeir Kedushin, but on the face of it, if the iPhone is a problem for the reason given, then ANYONE on the internet (including ALL of the choshuveh men posting in the CR), should be likewise possul.
oomisParticipantUGH, I so do not want to eat veggies anymore.
oomisParticipantIt’s a problem, but you still need to be a mensch. No FASHION SENSE?????? Hang her now! No social skills? Maybe that’s because no one will give her a chance to develop any (because they find her so ANNOYING)… Maybe if you and all the other coupled up BFFs in school would give this poor kid a chance, and really try to get to know her, instead of being so annoyed by her, you might just discover she has a lot to offer the lucky person who befriends her. And btw, you would be doing her and youself a favor to help her develop a sense of style. Maybe her mom is unable to help her in this area or maybe she cannot afford to buy whatever it is you kids think is so crucial to your fashion sense. Either way, BE a friend, for heaven’s sake instead of putting someone down. Unless she is mean-spirited or selfish, you might be doing yourself a favor. I am sure you are secure enough in your own self-image, that it really is not all that difficult to befriend someone outside your “in” group/social circle.
oomisParticipantRefuah shelaima. You get the credit for Kibud Em no matter WHY you show the kovod.
oomisParticipantOddly enough the Torah does NOT tell us to do what makes us happy. That is a recent concept of the past generation, really beginning with the 60s feminist movement and leaching into all aspects of life. How many of us have said, “I don’t care what my child does AS LONG AS HE’S HAPPY.” Utter nonsense. We HAVE to care. There are many things that we do for our (and our children’s) benefit that will not make us particularly happy (immunizations for one). We cannot treat people’s egos so gingerly that the main concern and pursuit is happiness, because without responsible action alongside of it, that happiness may be quite short-lived.
Following the Derech haTorah is what is ultimately supposed to bring us joy and fulfillment, but that joy is not the ultimate goal. That goal is to fulfill Ratzon Hashem. And R”H will lead to our happiness, because He knows what is best for us.
oomisParticipantHaLeiVi: If he hated the first he could (and should) of divorced her. Since he didn’t, clearly he loves both (or all three, etc.) “
The Torah is not speaking about hatred. It is talking about a man who simply loves one wife more than the other. If the Torah meant to talk about real animosity (and it DOES deal with that), it speaks to the issue of a man finding something “unseemly” in his wife, and therefore should give her a sefer kritut (GET). But when it speaks about the isha senuah, it is not what we think it means, i.e. that he actually HATES her. He does not hate her, he just favors the other wife more. So the Torah is teaching us that in such a case, if the senuah has the first child (a male), THAT is his bechor, regardless of how he feels about the mother.
oomisParticipantThen why does the passuk say “ha’achas” by each, eh? “
Exactly.
To teach us that each wife is to be treated as an individual wife, no matter what his feelings are for one over the other. If he builds a house for one, he must build a house for the second one as well.
oomisParticipantAnd if you read the passuk further, if he takes more than one wife, he must treat both equally. Given today’s economy, where many men cannot manage to support even ONE wife, I highly doubt the shidduch crisis will be solved by his marrying two. It’s HIS chiyuv to support her, not vice versa. (And snuah does not mean hate, it means loves less in the context of the Torah
oomisParticipantGoq, you were right, but you were also wrong. Sometimes being right doesn’t MAKE you right. IMO, you kind of made a mountain out of a molehill, and I happen to agree that “yes” is not a proper phone response(though it works for when an aveil answers the phone or it is Tisha B’av).
The person you spoke to, no doubt rightly thought you to be a little uptight, and it was probably a little inappropriate to be giving mussar to someone about something rather subjective after all, and even more so that you were at work. Supposing this person took great offense and spoke to your boss about it (or are you the boss?) It really was a very small issue to make such a big deal. I do understand how you feelm, though, but I would have handled it differently. I have learned in life to pick and choose my battles.
oomisParticipantFF – my parents Z”L are indeed buried in Beth David, but in a family plot, not Shul chelek. Yes, Henna’s mom was Rita Baum. I do remember that for sure. She was a lovely lady, as I recall. I don’t remember Kreindel or Shprintzi Lowy for some reason, only Pinchas Elya. Paula O”H was part of our chevra, a little quieter and shyer than the others, but a beautiful and sweet girl, with wonderful middos. That made her tragic petirah even more of a klop to us. I remember my mother O”H weeping like she had lost a family member. It is amazing the memories that come to mind, unbidden.
Less Chumras – I didn’t want to move. My family was one of the last families to move off a block that had become increasingly nisht unzerer, however. We really were the last holdouts and eventually moved to Long Island. I was sad to leave, because I was only just turned 11 (now that I think about it), and my perspective of life was very different from what it really was. It was time to move to a growing Jewish neighborhood, and that’s what we did. My parents had very close friends in the area that they chose, or its immediate environs, and the price of homes was phenomenal in those days. I think they paid 25K for the house, which is now selling for 800K, the last I heard (too bad I am not the one selling it) 🙁 .
Fastforward, perhaps the MODs can e-mail our respective e-mail addresses to each other. I am maskim. I have already re-connected with one close friend through the CR, and would love to re-meet another possible one. MODS, that would be a nice improvement in the CR, to allow people to privately contact each other, if both parties request same.
oomisParticipantSolemn, yes, but ecstatially happy also. I like to see a chosson and kallah who look like they are HAPPY to be getting married to each other. I have seen people who looked liked ther LAST thing they wanted was that chuppah.
oomisParticipantMy daughter got married two weeks ago. My new son in law cried like a baby. And I was happy to see that he considered it a very serious moment. “
Mazel tov. May their home be flled with laughter.
oomisParticipant” Wow, Oomis, you just gave me chills. I don’t know if we were there at the same time, but my family also davened at the Williams Avenue shul and we lived right near Red’s. The barber shop was one off the corner on New Lots Avenue and the bakery was on the corner next to it. There was also a butcher across from Red’s. Yes we also walked to Fortunoffs. Do you remember the New Lots library? Abe Baum did open a store in Queens and I was very good friends with one of his daughters. Yes, I agree, life was SO good there. Ah very sweet memories. “
Fast Forward, we moved out of the neighborhood in December of 1962, so if you were there prior to that, we must have known each other. My dad O”H often davened for the omud, and when I was very little, I sat with him at his table (the first one on the left side, as we came into the Shul.
The butcher shop would be Lehrman’s. We bought from him for all the years we lived on Hinsdale Street. I recall so vividly the night we got the terrible news that his daughter Paula O”H had perished as a result of an electric fire in their home over Shabbos. It was my very first shiva visit to someone, and I was devastated, because Paula was my good friend from Shul, and her last Friday on this earth was especially sad to her, because someone had stolen her brand new wallet. As a child it hurt me that she had cried all day the day before she was nifteres.
They were very fine people.
I frequently went to the library and it was safe for young children to go there by themselves. I was no more than 9 years old at the time.
Did you know Abe Baum’s daughter Henia? If memory serves, we were friends (mostly she and my sister, but I was always included). I cannot for certain recall Abe’s wife’s name,though Rita comes to mind, so maybe that was it.
Rabby Lowy’s children were also my good friends, and often came to my house to play. The only one whose name I recall was Pinchas Elya (as a child I thought it was one long name, “Pinchasellya”). We lived in a home that had a long enclosed, gated alley between my house and the next door neighbors. As a result, we could play outdoors every single day of the year rain or shine, snowy or clear, because the alley ran the entire length of the house. We played handball against that wall all the time, or roller skated down the alley in the dead of winter. As you can imagine, our house was THE meeting house for the entire block of children. And in those days, everyone played together,frum, not frum. They all knew that they could eat in my home, but I would not even take a drink of water in theirs, so it was just best if they played by me. We also had a nice big backyard with a swingset, and lots of room to run around. We had fig trees and a green grape vine, but somehow the grapes never tasted too good to me. I so miss that life.
oomisParticipantI ALWAYS tear up on R”H the second I hear the Shofar. This year it happened when I heard it on Rosh Chodesh Elul at a bris shacharis. How could someone NOT be moved to tears?
oomisParticipantAlso, many “Jews” who join them are only Jewish from the father’s side. “
Tragically many of them are in fact Jews.
oomisParticipantIt helps to differentiate between different sections, so you can find your place more easily. At least, in my experience.
oomisParticipantI grew up in East New York, very cloe to Brownsville. I davened either at the Williams Avenue Shul (Rabbi Lowy’s shul), sitting quietly next to my Dad O”H until I was a “big girl” and needed to go upstairs to the Ezras Nashim, or later on at the Pennsylvania Avenue Shul, because they had Shabbos groups.
We lived around the corner from Baum’s grocery (his son Abe opened his own branch in Queens, many years later, I think), and around the corner from Red’s toy Store and the local ice cream place. There was a barber shop on the corner down the block and across the street, and we had to wait near it for our school bus to Crown Heights Yeshivah.
We used to walk to Fortunoff’s and Blake Avenue. Wow, I am really getting flooded with memories right now. Life was SO good.
oomisParticipantLet’s say for example, you hold by a certain shechitah or hechsher. You wouldn’t want your child to eat food that was not acceptable to you. If you drink cholov Yisrael and they drink cholov stam, you would feel more comfortable to have their child by you.
August 26, 2012 4:53 am at 4:53 am in reply to: Where to start becoming Jewish when family roots discovered #991101oomisParticipantI have just now come to this thread, and I applaud your courage. it is a huge challenge to re-think your life, and come to realize that some things whih you have held to be true about yourself, were not. This is a major step for you, and in my humble opinion you should start with small steps. I think Aish HaTorah Discovery seminars would be of tremendous benefit. Or Rebbetzin Esther Jungries’ Hineni (meaning “here I am”)organization. They are geared to educating and welcoming the Baal Teshuvah.
If I understood your post correctly, you ARE Jewish by birth, as it is passed down matrilineally. If your mother, grandmother and great-grandmother were all unquestionably Jewish, then you are, too (really it only needs to be that you look at your own mother being a bona fide Jew (whether by birth or Orthodox conversion), but it is a good idea to check back further down her maternal bloodline).
Much good luck to you in your endeavors to live a life that is your heritage. It is well worth it. Find yourself an Orthodox rabbi and his wife, with whom you can make a real connection, and try to spend your Shabboses in their community. Why travel on Shabbos, if you already are making inroads to committing to a true Torah life?
oomisParticipantI had kids come to my house first, so I could see how they interacted with my children. Some of them were too immature and young to sleep over (and I had to bring one child back who missed his mommy). The age of first sleepover was about 7-8, depending on the child. Once I knew for certain that the child was pleasant and came from a reliably kosher home, and had met the parents, I started with playdates at their home, and eventually, sleepovers. Most of my kids loved going away, most of their friends LOVED coming to us for a Shabbos (maybe I made better desserts). I loved having the kids’ friends over, and still do.
oomisParticipantThat is not a consideration when it comes to halacha. “
And I am not certain that all people, including rabbonim, would agree with the extremely narrow view of what the actual halacha is in this case. Many of those rabbonim will ALWAYS say good Shabbos to everyone they see male or female.
oomisParticipantOY, that is a VERY bad situation. I am so sorry for the obvious agita this will bring you in rectifying the situation. Can you confront the family member, let him/her know that you knwo and what steps you plan to take to resolve the problem? If it is a younger person, some tough love may be needed. This is a crime, and the person should not get off the hook for it, IMO, because tyhe next person whose identity they steal will slap them in jail when they catch them. As a relative, you may have other means at your disposal to deal with this.
oomisParticipantMy own rov would never pass me by without saying Good Shabbos, good morning, or just hi, if he ran into me when it was not Shabbos. It is simple good manners. The Torah does not asser good manners, and in fact, every aspect of Torah is designed to bring kedusha to the most mundane of things, even saying hello. The Torah is also designed to create Ahavas Yisroel, and not Sinas Chinam. Ignoring someone in the street who has said Good Shabbos to you, whether male or female, breeds sinas chinam, whether or not you agree with my statement (and you would be wrong).
oomisParticipantWhy is it so taboo to just use a little seichel? There should really not be 4 whole pages worth of debate on this issue. Forget the shidduch-crisis, there’s an emergency common-sense-crisis.”
yes, yes, and yes.
oomisParticipantMod 42, my all time favorite camp sung song was the Little Bird. In fact, I was a counselor at Camp HASC MANY MANY years ago, and used that song for our finale when my campers put on a special play about the zechus of the birds during Yetzias Mitzrayim, for flying over Bnei Yisrael and being a protective “umbrella” for them. When I wrote the play, I was searching for an appropriate song to end it, and this one just filled the bill perfectly. I still get teary-eyed whenever I hear it.
oomisParticipantI have had difficulty with udnerstanding the Yaakov and Rochel story all my life. It makes little sense to think she was only 3 (like Rivka), as Yaakov clearly fell in love with her and immediately wanted to marry her. Even if he kissed her “only” on the forehead or hand, it is still negiah, and he made a point of saying im Lavan Garti (v’Taryag Miztvos shamarti). the fact that he kissed her at all, a total stranger to him, is strange. Even if she WAS his relative, so what? Negiah doesn’t count with cousins??? As I said, I have had trouble understanding this all my life. No one has given me an explanation that doesn’t produce even more questions.
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