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it recalled the concept of chessed as something that has no ????? — something we should do without calculating. “
Nice point.
Shlishi, I always use to get the same drivers on the bus or train, given that i took the same route every day. I always said good morning. That resulted in a bus driver who already had begun to drive off, stopping several yards down the block, when he saw me in his side mirror, crossing the street trying frantically to catch the bus. He recognized me, and was kind enough to stop for me. I flashed him a most grateful smile. And nothing more.
oomisParticipantA mamzer is from a relationship that is forbidden between a man and someone else’s wife. I am not 100% sure about the child of incest, but I would think it includes that as well. A child born to a man and a woman who would otherwise be permitted to him, is NOT a mamzer, even if they did not get married. If he is married, but the woman is not, the child is not a mamzer (but the father sure is, in my book!).
oomisParticipant*I say false because you yourself set the parameters here being whether she actually needs the help or not. “
Exactly.
BTW, my hubby and I went for a walk early this morning on a boardwalk, and saw an elderly woman with a walker, trying to get up a short staircase to her assisted living facility, which opens onto the boardwalk. I immediately asked her if she needed help getting both herself and her walker up the stairs, and opening the gate. My husband helped her, because I have a hand injury, and could not have held her had lost her balance and begun to fall. B”H she was able to get up the stairs, and he opened the gate for her. Basically he was a “spotter” for her, just in case.
Should he not have offered the help, and should she not have accepted? And it has nothing to do with age. Real tznius is for ALL ages. So is real seichel. And more important, real menschlechkeit.
oomisParticipant“So you see, I’m happy, and ooomis is happy”
There ya go, Pops!
oomisParticipant@oomis You think she was doing something wrong by refusing my help? What is your basis for that? You certainly can’t prove anything from the donkey halacha.’
In order for a chessed to be done, there are two partners, the doer of the chessed and the one for whom it is done. She lost out on her chelek in being the recipient of your chessed, and though machashava k’maiseh, you nonetheless did not actually get to do this particular chessed,one which immediately called to mind the helping of a stanger to get his animal upright. Sorry you don’t get the analogy of a donkey to a mere stroller. Both carry burdens, and a woman may not be strong enough to get the stroller, packages, and baby up a staircase. The fact that she said no, bothers me.It bothers me more that after the fact you thought she was correct in doing so, when she apparently needed help.
If a woman needs assistance and a man can help her, assuming there is no intent on his part to do harm, she is foolish to refuse the help. I don’t need to know chapter and verse to support why I feel that way. Clearly despite your protestations, YOU felt that way, too, since you OFFERED TO HELP HER!!!!!!! Why would you, if you innately believed it to be assur and untzniusdig? In the moment, you obviously were not thinking of anything other than helping someone with a difficult burden.
oomisParticipantI always thought it was braided in 3 for the chut hameshulosh. Does it really matter how many braids and why they are braided? Is it not more important to recognize that CHALLAH is not merely bread on a Saturday? It is a specific mitzvah. The fact of having it at ALL is probably for the lechem hapanim, but the braiding in different ways makes it look distinctive for Shabbos. People who do the braiding may have thought of the different reasons for their braiding styles THEMSELVES. Is it an HALACHA?????
oomisParticipantIt was unquestionably impolite and very chutzpahdig to do this. There is IMO nothing wrong with a limo however, as long as someone is willing to foot the bill for it. The chosson’s best friend usually makes the arrangements and asks other close friends (and ONLY them), if they would like to chip in tzu shteier for it. My son has always taken this task upon himself to make the arrangements for ALL his close friends, and covers whatever portion is not chipped in, and that is his wedding present to the couple. Just about EVERY Yeshivish couple in his chevrah has enjoyed this gift, and all the friends are happy to contribute to it.
The chosson and kallah are usually exhausted from the wedding, and the limo makes them truly feel like the melech and malka that they are supposed to be on their wedding day. And while I personally went back to my apartment with my new husband, in our clunker of a car, the times they are a-changin’ (and if I had it to do again, I would possibly LOVE to have gone to a hotel in a shiny white limo). BTW, some pretty unmentionable things also happen in people’s apartment buildings and in their very own soon-to-be-filled-with-kedusha apartments as well, from the former tenant’s who lived there (much like the former hotel guests who rented the room). Kedusha is what YOU can bring to a place that has none to begin with.
If you do not want to go in a limo, then by ALL MEANS do not do it. But don’t run to ascribe goyishe zachen to a very nice and thoughtful gesture on the part of the friends of the newlyweds. I do agree 1000% that it was a tacky and rude thing to approach guests for money at the wedding. This is usually discussed with the friends in advance of the wedding. Kids can be quite thoughtless sometimes. What a shocker!
oomisParticipantWow, I cannot believe it, but I DO. I was a counselor in Morasha for two years, and this was our camp song:
Anu Bnei Morasha (bum, bum, bum, bum)
Yerushateinu Hee haTorah (bym, bum, bum, bum)
B’darcheha neileich kol yameinu
U’nekayeim mitzvoteha.
Rotz ka-tzvi
Gibor ka-ari
B’chol mitzvot haTorah (bum, bum, bum, bum)
K’dei shenizkeh l’ziv HaShechinah
B’Yerushalayim habenuyah.
oomisParticipantoomis: I’m unsure what you are responding to. As I noted, I think a man should offer to help a woman struggling with a burden, or struggling with an overloaded donkey. “
Sorry – I thought I was pretty clear. It was nice of you to offer to help her, nothing wrong at ALL and in fact the Torah mandates helping someone with a burden (azov taazov imo, no?)to lift up the animal who has fallen down. Certainly a woman with a stroller and small children would be more in need than a donkey (or at least as much). I think she was out of line to refuse your help (unless she thought you looked a little skeevy, in which case, she was being prudent). But if she was refusing youer help out of what I believe is a misguided uber sense of tznius, then she was wrong. She cut her nose of to spite her face, I don’t think it is nothing for anyone to think her meritorious.
oomisParticipantoomis: I’m unsure what you are responding to. As I noted, I think a man should offer to help a woman struggling with a burden, or struggling with an overloaded donkey. “
Sorry – I thought I was pretty clear. It was REALLY nice of you to offer to help her, nothing wrong at ALL and in fact the Torah mandates helping someone with a burden (azov taazov imo, no?)to lift up someone’s animal who has fallen down. Certainly a woman with a stroller and small children would be more in need than a donkey (or at least as much).
I think she was foolish to refuse your help (unless she thought you looked a little skeevy, in which case, she was being prudent). But if she was refusing your help out of what I believe is a misguided uber sense of tznius, then she was wrong IMO. She cut her nose off to spite her face, and I don’t think it is quite as meritorious on her part, as you make it out to be. Mountain, meet molehill.
oomisParticipantGoyim were absolutely given Chochma. They were NOT given Torah.
oomisParticipantRe: the lady who refused help in carrying her stroller up.
“She said no. And she was correct. We should not be friends. “
I could not disagree more. When the Torah itself SPECIFIES that when one’s DONKEY has fallen under its burden, that one should not just stand idly by, but rather help the owner to get the donkey back up (and presumably lift some of its burden, which clearly the donkey could no longer handle, are we to actually believe that a woman struggling to carry a stroller up the stairs is less choshuv than a donkey????????? That makes a donkey out of a man who stands by and watches (not you, because you CORRECTLY and kindly offered to help, and I believe SHE was totally wrong to refuse to accept the help). Helping someone does not make them friends. But it does show Ahavas Yisroel. FTR, I would have offered to do the same for a non-Jewish woman.
August 21, 2012 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm in reply to: Would Rabbi Akiva Eiger z"l wear a "kippa sruga"?so why do you?? #892086oomisParticipantInstead of concerning ourselves with what is ON our heads, let’s be concerned with what goes on INSIDE them. And ftr, we should be happy to see any Jewish male whose head is covered to show he is a Yid, because he has Yirah Malkah.
oomisParticipantBarton’s anything, elite cream/fruit filled chocolate, some candy called Violet, and the SMELL (’cause we would never eat it there) of McRory’s Department store, as you emerged from the subway at the Hoyt-Schermerhorn Station to directly enter the store.
I also remember MORE than fondly the smell of my house coming home from school on Fridays, after my Bubby O”H had baked challah (and made onion rolls for us to have for lunch). She also made an amazing thing she called “halkeh,” which is kind of like a cholent kugel, made from I have no idea what (maybe mashed turnips?). Anyone know? It was SO yummy, and I would love the recipe for it, but it is lost to us.
oomisParticipantAre we allowed to name names? This sounds as though there is tachlis – to help in not hiring such photographers. “
I wouldn’t do it on a public forum. If however, someone asks me b’ferush if I have heard of “Photog XYZ” and want a recommendation, then I would give him a wreckommendation, all right, but solely because he was extremely dishonest with us, not because of the poor quality of the other guy’s work whom after all I did not hire (and I have no idea who the other guy was anyway).
oomisParticipantGROUNDS for divorce (Groan…)
oomisParticipantThese are my two cents. Some rabbonim are intutitive, sensitive, and sensible, caring people, and can be of great help to a couple having Sholom Bayis problems. Some rabbonim, know a great deal of Torah, but fall short in the areas needed to show sensitivity, intuition, caring and good sense. Not every man who has smicha can be a marriage counselor, just as not every MD can be a neurosurgeon. One has to have the “chush” or feel for it, and if he does not, he should have the seichel and humility to admit that both to himself and to the couple seeking his help, and send them to someone who really CAN be of help, even if it might be another rov.
oomisParticipantTBB, just wanted to let you know that Daniel ben Dibra Tzirel has already been added to my community’s Tehillim list, and will be davened for until you tell us he is recovered. HaMakom Yeracheim alav b’soch sh’or cholei Yisrael.
oomisParticipantWow, oomis! Just cash in on all those points and you & all your daughters can retire!”
Halevai auf mir gezugt!!!!!! (That’s all the Yiddish I know).
Thanks, NOMTW and Curiosity.
“I fully agree that a husband has to be able to provide for rent,health insurance,tuition,etc. However a lady has to be clear does she want a Ben torah or does she want a Lawyer or a Doctor or even better just say “significant” money.”
There is no cotradiction in being both. Moshe Rabbeinu was the first leader of the Jewish nation, and he was also a Supreme Court Judge. Rambam was a physician. Rabbi Yehudah Hanasi was an extremely wealthy man. Were any of them corrupt? Did they follwo the Torah? Some of the finest Bnei Torah in my community are doctors and lawyers, and they regularly give shiurim in my neighborhood. Your comment wants further reflection, IMO.
oomisParticipantZK – you are a gem. May we ALL have a gebensched year.
Today, I was zocheh to attend a bris, and for the very first time in my life, heard the shofar being blown on Rosh Chodesh Elul. I have never heard a shofar prior to Rosh Hashanah. It was an amazing experience for me, and made me very emotional.
oomisParticipantNatfush: “All” ?????? ?? ???? did was greet men on the street. Her being described as a chatterbox was a result of her greeting everyone. And we see where it led her.
Isn’t it AMAZING that a chatterbox was the daughter of a man whose name means “talker?” It’s reminds me of something Jerry Seinfeld once said,”When you name a boy Jeeves, It’s pretty much a done deal that he will grow up to be a butler.”
oomisParticipantThe fact that it doesn’t sit well with you, doesn’t bother them. “
Ah, but the fact that it doesn’t sit well with them, DOES bother ME!
oomisParticipantThe photog who did my daughter’s wedding exactly six years ago, messed up and defrauded us as well. He sub-contracted our wedding to a cheaper photographer (an inferior one), who not only did not provide what we paid for, but failed to videotape much of the chuppah, leaving out a very key portion of it, my son-in-law’s friends’ singing under the chuppah to the chosson and kallah. But hey – he DID give me 15 unnecessary minutes of a musician playing the keyboard (without showing the dancing that was going on at that time).
This photographer was a frum guy, so one cannot argue he was inexperienced with chuppahs. The one with whom we originally contracted to do the job, decided to take a more lucrative job on the West Coast, but never informed us of that fact. The person he hired to sub for him was in no way even remotely of the quality that we had seen in the work of the one we hired. It was gneivas daas, and we had every right to bring himn to a Din Torah, but we didn’t. The final product was a very poor job, not edited well, if at all, and the pictures were inferior compared to the people we had hired for our son’s wedding. This time around, our mechutan had been led to believe this guy was the best thing since sliced bread. As far as I am concerned – the photographer’s toast.
oomisParticipantIf Reb Moshe ZaTZaL allowed a temporary leniency in America because of government inspection where Chalav Yisrael was not available, he certainly wouldn’t have done so so we should immerse ourselves in Frusen Gladje and Kinder Chocolate Eggs. It was meant for basic staples. But that is beside the point.”
Why do you think it was a temporary leniency? The leniency was b’davka BECAUSE the government inspects and regulates the sale of milk, to ensure it is only sold from cow milk. If the milk is permissible, what have you got against someone enjoying ice cream or milk chocolate, as well as drinking milk?
It is not for any of us to ascribe motives to the permissibilty of using a food product. If it is muttar, it is muttar. If I want to drink a clearly kosher milkshake because I LIKE IT(and not because I need the calcium), who gets to tell me that it’s only OK if I drink it plain with no flavoring, because apparently that someone thinks I shouldn’t have enjoyment of it? I never ate either Frusen Gladje OR the chocolate eggs, but if I wanted to and it is KOSHER, I would.
oomisParticipantI think the “Good Shabbos”ers have it.
oomisParticipantMoshe, anyone ever tell you about the boy who cried wolf (no disrepect to Wolfishmusings)? What you did was VERY serious, and you should have been suspended. Fire is not a joke, and faking an alarm is actually a criminal act. You could have been arrested.
Forcing the Fire Department to respond to a phony call, might have chalilah resulted in someone else’s death because that fire department was deployed by your school instead of where they were really needed. And you BOAST about this immature act? You think you were a HERO???? Your actions were more like a zero. What a chillul Hashem, if this is not a phony post (which I am tending to think it was)!
I try never to be abrasive or argumentative with anyone here, but if this was not a “troll” type post and really happened, you should be ashamed of your actions instead of bragging about them and asserting you would do it again.
oomisParticipantYep.
oomisParticipantI am a registered Dem, voting very conservatively.
August 16, 2012 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm in reply to: want advice from working parents with school age children #891573oomisParticipantI am the non-working relative who babysits for my grandchildren. My pleasure. Not everyone has a Bubbysitter, and in that case, must rely on a babysitter. Unless you are paying your friend (and more important, trust her with your child), don’t keep asking someone you know to watch your kids. It becomes a tircha, and unless you reciprocate by taking THEIR kids, they come to feel used.
oomisParticipantI think that most realistic girls come to discover they want both a good learner AND good earner. And that is perfectly reasonable. My daughters don’t necessarily want to drip in diamonds and have chandeliers in every room in the house, but they don’t want to marry someone who cannot make the rent payment each month, or pay for utilities and a little luxury called food. And babies? They have to be prepared for little surprises like that. I cannot afford to support them (and btw, that is NOT my job anymore, I supported them all their lives), now it is their turn to be grownups and do what I did when I got married – work together with their spouses to pay their own way through life.
oomisParticipantHe can marry a widow, and he can marry someone who was not married previously. I don’t see the kasha. If you are a kohein and divorced, may you meet your bashert soon.
oomisParticipantWhy would your wife be upset about that? (Unless she is upset that you don’t take your son to the EARLY minyan, so she has some quiet in the house). I’m with you on this one. Always teach your child by example, the proper derech eretz in the minyan, and he will SEE your devotion both to the minyan AND him, and appreciate this time spent with you. My 2 cents.
oomisParticipantLet me get this straight – since I admit to my ignorance freely. If a cow is treif (meaning that l’chatchilah is cannot be shechted as a kosher animal), does that make the milk unkosher? I can see that an animal might be unkosher for some technicality and be called treif(which I always thought referred to something found that rendered the animal unfit for kosher consumption, as taruf means torn apart or prey), but its milk is from an intrinsically kosher animal, and it is not yet shechted, so why shoukld there be any question on its milk? the meat, yes, but the milk? There is a huge difference between an animal that is a “lo tehorah” and a “treifah.” Even if a mare were l’havdil slaughtered with a chalaf by a shochet, the meat (and milk) would never be kosher. But a cow is a tehora. Why should its milk be affected halachically by an injury that renders it unfit for shechita/kosher consumption?
oomisParticipantNOMTW – Now yer talkin’! (with almonds)
August 16, 2012 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm in reply to: What is the purpose of those twist tops on certain pot covers? #891561oomisParticipantI would leave the vent open for boiling noodles, to avoid boilover. The lid you describe is a GREAT idea. I usually have to leave th cover slightly askew to achieve that same result. ALways use a BIG pot for pasta, ebcause you need to cook it in sufficient water and have enough room for the noodles to expand. Covering the pot keeps the water temp higher.
oomisParticipantMW13 your mekoros can be interpreted another way from the way you understand it.
(you)
Sif katan vav: “Ain shoelin bi’ shalom eisha klal”, which, simply read, means “do not greet a woman at all”.
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Respectfully, it ain’t necessarily so. It might likewise mean when simply read, ” One does not inquire after the well-being of a(married) woman at all.” The word “Shoelin” means to ask about something. The mechaber could be more literally saying that a man should either not enagage in personal “hi, how are you?” conversation with a woman, or even to ask her HUSBAND about his wife. These are two things that can lead to personal interaction under some circumstances, though most normal people are fully capable of a quick hi how are you without having sinful thoughts.
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“Hevei makdim shalom li’kol adam” could easily be translated as “greet every man”, not “every person”. (The Mishna is obviously addressed only to men; however, one would imagine that the same would apply to a woman greeting a woman.)
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Come on! L’kol adam clearly means every PERSON. “Adam” is a general term for mankind. So what if the Mishna (according to you) is addressed only to men (and I don’t know that I accept that to be 100% true). Aren’t women also required to follow all the laws of the Mishnah and Gemarah? Does the Mishna NOT discuss Hilchos Mikvah,Challah, and Neiros? Are women exempt from shmiras Shabbos and kashrus? Are these things not discussed in the Mishna?
As for women greeting other WOMEN – it clearly goes without saying that that this is proper and good, that’s not a chidush. The chidush is in including ALL people. Do you have any idea how a simple good morning or good shabbos or whatever, can lift the spirits of someone who might be ina bad mood? And how it reinforces the good feelings of someone who is in a GOOD mood?
I think that the interpretation of some of these ideas is just a rationalization for some people to exhibit their very poor middos.
When I see someone in the street and say Good Shabbos (and it could be that it is even a woman), and on VERY rare occasions there is not only no response, but they make a point of ignoring me, my thought is “well YOU have yourself a NICE day.”
oomisParticipantNow to get back ON topic – this IS scary stuff. i really thought that a mezuzah was a shmirah against such things, and now you are saying, NO?
oomisParticipantThat reminds me of the saying, a barking dog doesn’t bite. And the retort, you and I know it but the dog doesn’t.”
Not to get OT, but according to the laws of aerodynamics, the structure of a bumblebee’s body is such that it is impossible for it to fly. But the stupid bumblebee doesn’t know anything about aerodynamics, so he goes and flies anyway!
oomisParticipantI thought with mezuzos on the doors, sheidim cannot get in.
oomisParticipantWIY, with all due respect, I say good Shabbos to everyone I see. If I were to see 50 people, I would say GS 50 times. There is no reason not to say GS to someone. It is not flirting, it is not improper, and if people think it is pritzus, in my humble opinion they have no idea what pritzus (immorality) means.
And btw, please name the accepted source that asserts that “hevei makdim” refers only to someone to whom you should be speaking. I am curious to know this.
oomisParticipantand they think youre a boor for wishing it to them. see how this goes in a circle? “
Since when do I care what a boor thinks of me? Hevei makdim KOL ODOM b’sholom. And let him learn a little something about good manners and common menschlechkeit while he’s at it.
oomisParticipantAlso in Brooklyn men usually don’t exchange gut shabbos unless they know each other.”
How sad is that??????
oomisParticipantDD, well-said. I amend my view slightly to incorporate your definition.
August 15, 2012 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm in reply to: What is the purpose of those twist tops on certain pot covers? #891555oomisParticipantProbably to allow the pot to vent some steam, so the liquid does not boil over.
oomisParticipantThe Shabbos that wishing ANYONE a Good Shabbos is considered pritzus, is the day I consider the person who considers it thus, to be a little overboard. No one has to engage in conversation with people they don’t know, or people of the opposite gender,if they are uncomfortable or believe it to be untzniusdig. But, wishing someone, anyone, GS is simply that, wishing a GS. Anyone who does not respond to that GS wish, is a boor.
oomisParticipantI am an Eretz Yisraelist. I am not in favor of a secular Medina, but that is what we have, and it is our obligation to love E”Y. Just as you don’t stop loving a child who is off the derech, so too do we not stop loving our Eretz Hakedosha, because her Medina is OTD.
oomisParticipant“Hiyo Silver!”
All That Glitters (oh, wait, I think that IS someone’s name already)
Sterling Qualitiy
Sterling Reputation
oomisParticipantSince we only potentially appear shoeless with stockings when we are sitting shiva, I don’t recommend it.
oomisParticipantI eat cholov stam also. But when the milk cartel prices were being busted by C”Y companies like Goldman’s, I bought C”Y (milk only) as a way of showing hakoras hatov to them for trying to lower the prices.
oomisParticipantThe doctor applies a small laser to each nail and kills the fungus.The laser is not 100% effective and it is not covered by insurance”
And it is VERY expensive out of pocket.
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