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Additionally, Monroe and Orange County are rural New York areas that are not majority Orthodox Jewish. So taking the rural county figures and comparing them to national figures is not comparing Orthodox Jews to others. Those figures you cite bear no relevance to this discussion.
Marxist: So what? No one’s disagreeing with the concept. But if a 40 year old well-to-do artisan hippie living in Park Slope, earning $70,000 a year with his stud girlfriend earning $50,000 a year, with no kids, are considered upper middle class with their high educations with his Ph.D in Anthropology And Archeology and her Master’s in Culinary Arts, whereas the Chosid with his Satmar education earning $80,000 is deemed by Uncle Sam to be impoverished, it proves exactly what? That if the Satmar Chosid had aced the SAT and gotten his Bachelor’s and Master’s in Philosophy from Columbia University, that he would be earning at least as much as that artisian hippie from Park Slope — with the Chosid, by then expressing his artisian talents and a framed degree behind his desk, to match the hippie would take a $10,000 pay-cut?
The government isn’t the answer; the government is the problem.
Dofi, a family of two parents and ten children earning over $80,000 a year is considered “impoverished” under federal entitlement benefits guidelines. In New York a family of that size, depending on their exact income, can potentially receive over $30,000 a year in Food Stamps/SNAP benefits.
Now you’re next door neighbor goy, who you like better than your fellow Yidden who don’t share your left-wing religious views, who lives with his girlfriend and dog, would be considered upper middle class with an annual income even lower than the $80,000 that Chasidish family with ten kids is earning.
So when your favorite antisemites are ranting in your local antisemitic newspaper like the New York Times or the Rockland Herald Record/Journal News, about those terrible “Jews” of Kiryas Yoel having high SNAP benefits enrollment in their population, that is because unlike the goyim you like with their dog and girlfriend earning less than the Chosid but doesn’t qualify for Food Stamps based on their tiny family size (1.2 children, dog not counted); whereas the Chosid with the higher income than him is deemed impoverished by the government based on his family size.
They qualify for food stamps and Medicaid despite earning high incomes because their large family sizes, with so many children k”h, means they technically qualify for government entitlement benefits since they are legally deemed “impoverished” based on family size, despite a large income.
Zushy, what I don’t understand, and perhaps you or others can explain, is that the Chareidi parties of UTJ and Shas have been in almost every Netanyahu government. And Netanyahu has been running the Israeli government for the last 11 straight years, except for about one year.
With the Chareidi parties part of the Netanyahu governments, why haven’t the Chareidi parties have gotten all those issues you mentioned above fixed under Netanyahu?
And if they haven’t, why do they keep supporting and joining Netanyahu?
Zushy: The Zionist government admits hundreds of thousands of Russian goyim, Ethiopian goyim and other goyim. Many many of them undergo a fake Zionist “geirus”, after which they never keep a single Shabbos and never intended to, thus remaining goyim but now permitted by the Zionist rabbis to marry real Jews.
Dofi: I’m concerned over your well-being and am hoping you’re feeling psychically okay. Firstly, my previous posts never said any such thing or anything close to it; secondly, I’ve never made any mention or reference to HaRav Chaim Kanievsky zt’l, not here and not previously; thirdly and most importantly, you haven’t referenced my three wives and eighteen children in almost six months, whereas in the past you were sure to inquire about them at least once every three days. (Sorry, have to run; mom’s calling me out of the basement. Looks like four of the kids are ganging up on two of the younger ones. Might have to drop one off at the CTL compound.)
My response is that I have one garbage can that everything goes into. I’ve never recycled.
Dofi: I’ve addressed the three shvuos extensively elsewhere on this forum. Please search the old threads on that topic. Your question was answered numerous times.
Yseribus: You’re mistaken. We’re talking about that MO OTD rate of those who grew up keeping Shabbos and Kashrus and later, while teenagers and young adults, stopped keeping Shabbos and Kashrus.
Read the articles I referenced above in previous comments.
The Ran in Nedarim clearly paskens that Dina Dmalchusa doesn’t apply in Eretz Yisroel. The Ran writes Jews aren’t Halachicly obligated to pay taxes imposed by the rulers in Eretz Yisroel and that Dina Dmalchusa in general is Halachicly inapplicable in Eretz Yisroel.
Yseribus: Then you’re a twit. The MO have an OTD rate of somewhere between 33% and 50%. Read the articles I referenced above written by Modern Orthodox Jews (Avi Ciment, Rabbi Avrohom Gordimer as well as by MO Rabbi Steven Pruzsnsky.) They all openly admit huge percentages of children and adults in MO families are giving up keeping Shabbos and Kashrus.
It’s an open Ran in Nedarim. The Ran paskens that Dina Dmalchusa doesn’t apply in Eretz Yisroel, since the very basis for Dina Dmalchusa is that the local King allows Jews to live in his country, therefore he has the Halachic right to tax the Jews. But since Jews have a G-d given natural right to live in Eretz Yisroel without anyone else’s permission, the Ran writes the Jews have no obligation to pay taxes to the local rulers in Eretz Yisroel and otherwise have no Halachic obligation of Dina Dmalchusa in Eretz Yisroel.
Froggie: They’ll easily sit on the jury a homeless vagrant whose day job outside the court is taste testing various alcoholic beverages. After all, that’s the American ideal of sitting a jury representing every aspect of the American population, without discrimination.
Avi Weiss, Yushke “rabbi” Shlomo Riskin, Kenneth Brander, etc are all YU alumni, which is where they got ordained and were “rabbis” within YU faculty.
That picture doesn’t look like him (even considering aging.)
Reb Aryeh is not only completely innocent but he’s a tzadik who has dedicated his life to Klal Yisroel and follows Daas Torah. That some corrupt secular anti-Torah/non-Torah court following man-made rules based on the whims of Mechallel Shabbos legislators and judged upon by Mechallel Shabbos “judges”, has absolutely zero bearing and no credibility whatsoever.
The only ones who can judge him or anyone else are Talmidei Chachimim Dayanim sitting on a bona fide Beis Din acting in the capacity of a Din Torah and strictly following the Torah and Halacha and Halachic rules of evidence.
Also read the underlying three part articles of “The Modern Orthodox Conundrum” by Avi Ciment.
Dr. Pepper, if memory serves me correctly I think you’ve shared that story some years back, probably in one of the previous jury duty threads.
CTLAWYER: Yes, but AAQ specifically referenced his story with a drunk driving/criminal case (which requires unanimity for conviction). Also, in my earlier comment I wrote “guilt/liability”, to cover both criminal and civil cases.
As far as it being the attorneys rather than the judge conducting the initial phase of jury selection, any potential juror indicating he’ll determine guilt/liability by taking one look at the defendants face, will almost certainly have the attorneys disqualify him. I’m not advocating any of this, just making it clear that it is abundantly trivial to get out of jury duty. Another “trick” is to innocently ask if it is okay for a juror to engage in jury nullification if they disagree with the law. Just asking them will, again, almost surely get you disqualified.
Now, in Connecticut and smaller towns there might be some risk in ignoring a jury summons. But in New York City, LA, Chicago, etc, they do not have the resources to come after the thousands of non-respondents every month to a jury summons, to determine whether they simply never got it or actually ignored it.
When making the above statement to the judge, say it with the greatest sincerity and earnestness and ask the judge to please select you for the jury, because you’ll be able to convince your fellow jurors of the correctness of your abilities, and thereby quickly conclude jury deliberations within a day, so everyone can wrap up the case as expeditiously as possible, saving the court time and resources.
Another must-read article is Reactions to Avi Ciment’s “The Modern Orthodox Conundrum” by Rabbi Avrohom Gordimer, Dec. 9, ’22.
The article entitled “Modern Orthodoxy’s Moral Failure”, authored by Ben Shapiro and published on December 12, 2022 in the Jewish Press is well worth a read by everyone.
Dofi: Do you think that they’re too frum to cannibalize their members and feed their murder victim to their other members? Otherwise, why have you failed to accuse them of cannibalism?
It’s extremely easy to get out of jury duty, legally and penalty-free, for anyone so inclined One easy example is during questing tell the judge you’ll be able to ascertain the defendants guilt/liability as soon as you take your first look at his face, because you know that you are gifted to be able to read it from just his looks.
Is there a frum track and a non-frum track?
“I always mention Shabbos
Works almost every time”
CA: What did you do when it didn’t work?
AAQ: 1) You could have vetoed any guilty verdict, even if you were the only one, since it requires unanimous agreement. 2) drunken driving is very serious since they could have seriously injured people, or worse, even if they were lucky enough to have been arrested before that happened.
What would you have done had one or more of the parties been Jewish?
The case didn’t involve Jews?
DaMoshe: When you say “tzniusly”, how are you defining that term? A skirt that covers the knees when standing erect but not all other times? If above the knees is exposed when walking, running, bending, going up/down stairs, walking in a mild wind, getting into/out of a car, etc., does that still qualify as tznius in the community you speak of? Does a baseball cap covering “most” of the hair qualify?
What if he so-called “isn’t ready” by time he’s Halachicly obligated to be married by?
How does he bill himself as the Jewish Sean Hannity? And what does it mean to be the Jewish Sean Hannity?
You have MO shuls with an open parking lot on Shabbos.
The LWMO is a larger constituency than the RWMO, for the simple reason that any real Ehrlich Yidden left MO, and you can find them today in regular Yeshivish Shuls and Yeshivos everywhere.
Historian: Why would the problem be any different after their religious services instead of during?
One very vital point that I think many are overlooking is that labels are meaningless. Including the label of being “Orthodox”. The descriptor “Orthodox” is not something the so-called Orthodox took upon themselves. It was a name (originally intended in a derogatory sense, comparing them to the Christian Orthodox) that was imposed on us by the “non-Orthodox”. It was intended to include anyone that, at the time, didn’t abandon half of the Torah and replace it with (then) modern concepts (i.e. Reform).
L’maaisa, the point is that labels are absolutely meaningless. A Jew is a Jew. Everything else is irrelevant. Some Jews fully keep the Torah, some mostly, some partially, etc. But they’re all Jews. The rest is commentary.
N0m: Would you consider a Reform or Conservative “conversion” to be valid if the “converted” goy didn’t drive on Shabbos?
N0m: We do bentch mzumen with a cup of wine.
If you purchase a refundable ticket, you can get a full refund when cancelling, anytime.
If you but a refundable ticket you can get a full refund when cancelling.
“Which in of itself is based on an assumption that marriage is a matter of age.”
Chazal, the Gemora, Halacha (Shulchan Aruch), etc, all set age suggestions and age deadlines regarding marriage.
N0m: Stop being an apologist for the apikorisus or trying to equate them in any way with Shomrei Torah u’Mitzvos.
Gadol: If you use your mobile carrier’s direct dial to call international, you’ll likely be paying rates that are very expensive.
With Localphone.com it’ll cost you 3 cents per minute to landlines and 8 cents per minute to mobile numbers. You can purchase credit in any amount starting from $1.
They also offer monthly subscriptions of 300 or 600 minutes per month, which can bring down the per minute cost to as low as 2.1 cents for landlines and 4.4 cents for mobile.
It can be used like a calling card from any phone. Or you can use it to call from your computer, VoIP or from an app on your phone.
Does Kim Jung-un follow this advice?
Airbnb or VRBO?
There’s a reason it says, as everyone knows and needs no reminder, Eisev Soneh L’Yaakov rather than Yishmael.
As an aside, on a slightly tangentially related note, it is forbidden to enter a Church whereas it is not only permitted to enter a Mosque, but one may even daven in a Mosque.