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Learning from R Meir and Beruriah? of course, both from their achievements and shortcomings. Why would Gemorah bring those stories otherwise – just to make fun of them? R Yehuda himself brought Beruriah as a (positive) example to a guy who wanted to learn too much too fast.
Regarding the family, you can learn from Rav whose wife always sent him the dish opposite of what he requested and his “smart” son changed his words and made Rav happy for a moment (not just with the right dish, but with the fact that the wife changed her attitude).
There is a lot to learn from this (direct one – do not teach kids to lie even in permissible case of shalom), but – if you can keep the secret here – I learned to request the opposite of what I really want in those – rare, very rare! – cases when I expect make request to be reversed. It was most important for Rav to have a peaceful spouse, but I am humble enough to be satisfied just with the right beans in cholent.
There are kings and queens that are merely consorts of the reigning spouse, like recently in England (historically, mostly queens indeed, but there were enough real queens in history), and there are those where both were powerful, like Isabella and Ferdinand of Spain. Does anyone comment on what Rambam had in mind?
It is hard to measure. Trotsky was a military leader and a visionary calling for an immediate revolution worldwide. Stalin was a behind the scenes operator who consolidated his power. European intellectuals were fascinated even by Stalin’s version, kal vehomer they might have bought the more inspiring version.
Trotsky was not more merciful, he was responsible for enough killings. When Chometz Chaim was running away, it was still pre Stalin, I thinkR Salanter encountered a serious apikoires in an inn and they decided to debate publicly. Rav suggested that the loser should don the jacket of the winner (that is conservative v modern style). The other guy agreed. Then rav took his off to show that he is ready to follow up whatever the outcome. The other guy refused. Then r Salanter refused to debate if the opponent was not serious about it.
Mishayos may be a long way to start getting there for a bochur, but if someone is currently married, a faster way would be to observe talmidei chachamim interacting with their wives, and other way around… Even bochrim, like Akiva and haverav would prefer learning actual practice, going so far as hiding under rebbe’s bed… Torah hi velilmod ani tzarich
Common, you seem to see the world only as they relate to Jews. This seems to contradict r Miller quote above: if you choose to be friends with reshoyim if they don’t hurt us personally, you may hvsh invite them to hurt us and only then learn the lesson. Abraham Heschel, while still in Nazi Germany, wrote a “historical” discussion that Sephardim were kicked out of Spain for a reason. Otherwise, they’d join Spaniards in their brutality in America’s – and it is better to be a victim than a perpetrator, sending a message to the German Jews who were upset that Nazis weren’t letting them be patriotic Germans
Biden administration made everyone wiser admitting an error of electing him, and made the whole country agree in their opinion about him. He is almost as good as Putin as unifier. The latter unified Ukraine against him.
We finally found something in/with Common: yidden are responsible for their own actions.
As to China, they didn’t hurt Jews much because mir yeshiva escaped before Mao consolidated power. R Avigdor Miller days that one should learn lessons when he reads about events far away (his example is Vietnam). If one doesn’t learn, Hashem brings problems closer and closer. And the most foolish ones learn only when the problem affects them (one might have thought this was written during COVID, but I digress)
Zionists indeed started this conspiracy more than a hundred years ago. Hashem turned it around and used the Zionist army to protect Charedim, their roads to lead to yeshivas, their electricity to enable learning at night, their taxes to pay for childcare, their buses to go to Meron, their airlines to fly to EY. Those grateful Charedim who took advantage of these chasdei Hashem, live great. Now, those who will take the jobs that Hashem made Zionists provide for Charedim, will be able to afford life in yir hakoidesh.
And then Gini found a leftist friend to sneak this to a leftist publication. If she were so skills, the congress would have kept Trump president on the 6th
Erev Pesach
If men were responsible for pesach and women for sukkos, they would start on the same day.
My joke above didn’t go well in my household. Now, I need to explain who this Miranda is, and how I got to know her. Unfortunately, 1st and 5th parts of bill of rights were incorporated down to states and towns, but not households, so men generally don’t enjoy those rights.
Of course the husband has rights that the wife doesn’t – Miranda rights.
You guys are arguing about a singular decision. Maybe there are different steps here? For example, it is possible to advocate against federal support and encouragement, at the same time not criminalizing individual actions. Proper social policies could significantly reduce unwanted outcomes without having government policing everything
There were communist alternatives to Stalin. Some were possibly even worse, like Trotsky, others might have been better. Some claim that modern European socialists are the mild followers of Marx. A minimal test would be if their group was consistently against Soviet style of Marxism. Many of those mild socialists supported USSR in some form.
The episode with the semicha was in part due to ravs humility never obtaining credentials and also, I think when he was running from Soviet Russia to Lita in the 1920s, so pikuach nefesh overrode humility. He actually paskened that it was pikuach nefesh when he asked his s-i-l to go get the vids on Friday, and sil replied yes, I’ll take first train on Sunday, but rav said: no. Please go on shabbos. Incidentally, he later regretted the decision to save his life at the expense of abandoning others, as all rabbis left and remaining Jews had no support. This is relevant to some other discussions about how to relate to nonreligious Jews especially from USSR
Gadol, thanks for the tip to not go low on gas. I presume you have a good mesorah for this. Are you sure this is still true in this century with new tech? I have this bad habit but most of my cars fall apart way before having engine problems
Common, I don’t think we can resolve the case based on a phone video. What is clear that a number of Jews there are unruly. Whether Lufthansa was able to separate kosher ones or whether they tried, I don’t know. I am just not in the habit of throwing accusations around just because we don’t like the country. If you want to boycott someone, just focus on current perpetrators: Russia, China, Cuba
Call grandkids!? You raised them well if they answer.. How about Whatsapping them .. when I encourage youngsters to call someone they say it’s a weird thing to do
Avram, thanks, I tried family link also. I don’t fully recall, and wouldn’t repeat, how the kids were dealing with it.. if you are going this route, I had more successes with surveillance. If you don’t force them into dark approaches first, you can observe network traffic and see where they are going without causing any rifts. Knowing whether you have a problem is a big thing. Sometimes you can address the issue by talking with the kid without revealing your sources, or blacklisting.
Ohio primary had one anti trumpian candidate and it got 25% 0f the vote. So, anti Trumpers here can only hope that Trump decides not to run. I suggest offering him some good business in Saudi Arabia and a Nobel for the accords now so that he feels he doesn’t need to run.
Gadol, I am repeating: with people like Bibi, you can’t discuss their shortcomings without acknowledging their zechuyot. This would also apply to Sharon, Begin, Rabin. Ben Gurion, etc
Avira brings a great point hashkafilly if not halachically: people who keep Torah are responsible for the rest of the yidden. As r Salanter said: someone not learning Torah properly in vilna leads to a professor in Paris to do aveiros….
This applies especially to Israelis who are so close to datiim, but often not really relating
Gadol, I am not sure how all these technology advances change the issue. If you facilitate improper information reach their audience, it may be a problem. Possibly, if you’re a platform for business, you can say that rov of your clients are kosher.
Common, thanks, I was not aware about what share is for trauma. Still caution is required in professions where lucrative deals are questionable morally. Will you be satisfied to work for the trauma hospital, when your colleagues earn easy money the other way. Similarly, say, in jo s where you can get profitable business representing Russian or Chinese clients. Or construction where you may not even be able to compete without employing illegals. I am not a bokeh in these professions, just highlighting issues in choosing professions.
n0 > All I’m suggesting is not allowing oil futures to be traded publicly.
that’s an interesting question … Nixon tried price controls .. There are Jewish sources for not increasing prices during emergencies on necessities, and arguably gas is one for people who need to get somewhere important.
On the other hand, price sends a signal. Germany just announced that “in solidarity with UKR” they’ll reduce water temperature in their pool by 2 deg (C). I guess, 3 would be too much of a sacrifice, but 2 might reduce ammunition RUS can make and save some lives. High price will naturally send the same signal and make people use less of it. Also, you don’t want to start a black market of people smuggling subsidized oil into other places.
Syag > where do you see me saying they buy in bulk?
Deduction? It was mentioned $70 gas, so presumably a full tank, not a couple of gallons, but I did not check the prices for a couple of days (feels like Weimar)
common, did you lose your glasses? It is a matter of fact, not the opinion, that about 50% of these Yidden are maskless or half-maskless. Not sure, how you define “rov” here – by gavras who do not wear it properly or be heftzas that are not covering noses. And these are videos _they_ chose to post … presumably after being told multiple times to wear masks.
I think this is just a classical Chasidic-Yakkish divide over warmness v order replayed…. Just fly Malev or Al Italia, if it still exists somewhere.
Chofetz Chaim encountered someone selling newspaper (a blog advertiser in modern times). He asked how is parnosah, turns out it was so-so. So, Ch Ch suggested that his friend can offer a beter job. Which one? A friend is a priest and he needs someone to once in a while to ring the church bell …
The Jew was shocked by the offer, but Ch Ch explained that this is still more honorable than selling newspapers.
is plastic surgery (and skydiver for that matter) a frum profession? or even “mutar”?
common, I hear you, but in that case the doctor did not give hard time to the “frummer” youngele, but turned out to be even “frummer” just in the closet (literally).
Wolf +1
Gadol, similar comment – the gentleman has lots of zehuyot both in the Army and in world politics. I can’t say whether he borrowed some cigars or betrayed coalition partners, this is one big mess there, but you sound like you simply disagree with him and ready to throw any argument at it. We somehow find this permissible in the American context between a real estate developer and a senator from Du Pont. If if that is not asur, I don’t think we should use same brush with Israeli issues and people.
@Marxist > What does quoting Marx have to do with being knowledgeable about Torah?
Sorry, did not mean you personally. I meant to say that some old-time anti-Torah Jews had an ideology, such as Marxism, current ones usually do not and not oppose anything. You are right, even someone who knows Das Kapital b’alpe can still be an ignoramus, but at least, he was a dangerous ignoramus.
This “yeridas ha doros” is one of the interpretations of arba banim in Hagada: first generation – chacham, second – rebels, third – not sure why his father rebeled, fourth – has nothing to talk about, fifth – disappears unless we put him back into first. Note that this 4th+ generations are far removed from the original rebels.
Gadol > and are now instilling the same values and practices in their own kids.
I think that is the point. Again, there are things that need to be done in many cases, such as keeping computers, not phones, and in the open, etc, but it seems that kids seeing parents using computers for work, learning, good comms – even posting on CR! – is the most useful thing.
Avira > You can text me on a regular phone number
Define “regular”. If you have a thingy with an attached cord going into the wall – you can’t text it at all. I mean you can text but I won’t get it.
(again, same kids found my old one and, despite their internet skills, could not figure out why there is a cord attached to something that is similar to a phone).
ujm, I respect filters. I tried relying on them with kids and it did not really work – they find ways to go around. Even when I established a multi-layered defense at router, computer, and cellular level – they would find a free WiFi or, as a last resort, claim that my filters interfer with their legitimate work on the computer. Then, they will peak over my shoulder to see what I do to open that helicke website they need … Constant warfare … Somehow, soon after getting kids out of schools and making them do serious work on their computers lead to them using computers responsibly without any filters. It is not because they “grew up” as some are of the age that others were during the warfare times. I do keep basic network filtering and safety options in google search on all devices to prevent silly stuff appearing in the search results.
it is not that difficult to evaluate the level of tinakyous of non-O Jews – just talk to them and see whether they quote Karl Marx or JTS or they are simply clueless about Torah. In my humble experience, it is 1:10 in favor of clueless, but maybe my contacts are too educated… And it is not because I am such a kind soul judging everyone ltzad zechus; I’d love to have some high quality apikoires to discuss things but they are rare sightings.
I am concerned as a couple of posters fashioned to refer to R Moshe’s S-I-L somewhat derogatory. I understand that you might disagree with him on some issues, or even doubt his veracity when quoting his F-I-L, suspecting that he puts a political slant.
I wonder – do you have any factual basis for your attitude:
– do you have evidence that R Moshe did not verify quality of the semicha of the chatan, so you don’t use R-?
– do you have cases, or even a pattern, of other witnesses contradicting R Tendler’s reporting of R Moshe’s words?Also, keep in mind that people in the family tend to talk differently between each other. It is possible that R Moshe was focusing on the psak when talking to outsiders and revealed more of the underlying reasoning in the family.
Just a sevorah, I do not see a contradiction between a strong position against abortion and a position against government interfering in religious matters. R Moshe had Soviet experience with both murder and religious prosecution, so no doubt he understood policies here – and better than one-issue advocates in US.
Re: orphans. As far as I know, Americans are looking far and wide in order to find kids to adopt. Russia even banned giving away their alcohol-ridden children to US at some point …
with so many talmidei chachamim who live or lived in E’Y, could we agree that there are some exceptions to the Oaths?! Or it is not OK for Zionists to fight for E’Y, but OK for non-Zionists to arrive on El Al later on without fighting?
Also, is emphasis on E’Y or on fighting non-Jews in general (see example of Portugal above). In the latter case, maybe Jewish communists would be a prime example of what we should not do (see a simpler source than Oaths – Beitza 25 that Hashem gave Jews Torah from stopping us stepping over other nations).
from what you don’t know what poor people do: they don’t buy gas in bulk, they buy a couple of gallons, see above. As another lady said “let them eat cake”
that wife follows husband Igros Moshe 1:158
R Auerbach, quoted in Yom Tov Sheini K’hilchaso, pg. 188 – husband does NOT HAVE TO insist on his minhag – even possibly nusach or anything she wants. Maybe this could be part of a prenup?
someone suggests that this is coming from the klal of moving to a different place – husband’s house (YD 214:2). This matches Yevamos saying that a man should not live with in-laws (may not be operative now when most people don’t live with in-laws and wives are not always that younger than husbands).
Igros Moshe Even Ha’ezer 2:22 – a spouse can not force humros on others. R Ovadia Yosef quoted for the same (not using eruv). Some testify that R Moshe did not interfer with his wife drinking halav stam.
Rav Eliyashev – that some minhagim are nedorim and shoulbe kept (kitniyot)
For exceptions for candles, mikva, wig:
Igros Moshe EH 2:12
Beitzah 29b
R Auerbach, Halichos Shlomo, chapter 9 of hilchos Succah, footnote 37
Yaaakov Emden Teshuvos Ya’avetz 107.I am wondering whether learning status of a woman might affect the decision. If the husband typically is the posek in the house and instructs the wife what to do – then, his minhagim should have weight. You don’t expect him to go to his M-I-L and learn from her! But if the woman is learned on her own, whether BY or YI, she might not need to ask her husband and he might not need to interfere.
RebE > Chacham Tzvi left in his tzavaoh for his descendant women not to make a bracha on a time dependent mitzva.
This tzavaoh seem to mean that the normative behavior is not like that.
ujm, women might follow their mother’s minhagim re: candles, etc.
Loshen is correct! If you want to find man-made objects in satellite imagery – look for straight lines and right angles.
I heard an “interesting” argument – yes, court has previously overturned previous decision – but they always did it “to expand liberties”, this is the first one “to restrict them”. In other words, it is OK to overturn decisions to make it more liberal, but not ok to make it more conservative.
Seems like R Moshe’s position is based on R Tendler’s words and also his general position supporting shul/state separation. Other than CR posters, are there any T’Ch who contradicted R Tendler’s reconstruction of R Moshe’s position?
To bring a religious angle here: one reason for avodah zara is people’s inability to connect things to the source – they are looking for some immediate source of fire or water or parnasa. So, among other middos, a religious person requires daas that helps him appreciate how events in the world connect back to the Prime Source. Without such daas, one might be ortho-prax just because he is trained to mumble brochos, bot not ortho-dox. So, when some people can not connect obvious things, such as government making oil business harder to increased gas prices shows that they can’t properly connect their life to Hashem also.