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RebE > Chacham Tzvi left in his tzavaoh for his descendant women not to make a bracha on a time dependent mitzva.
This tzavaoh seem to mean that the normative behavior is not like that.
ujm, women might follow their mother’s minhagim re: candles, etc.
Loshen is correct! If you want to find man-made objects in satellite imagery – look for straight lines and right angles.
I heard an “interesting” argument – yes, court has previously overturned previous decision – but they always did it “to expand liberties”, this is the first one “to restrict them”. In other words, it is OK to overturn decisions to make it more liberal, but not ok to make it more conservative.
Seems like R Moshe’s position is based on R Tendler’s words and also his general position supporting shul/state separation. Other than CR posters, are there any T’Ch who contradicted R Tendler’s reconstruction of R Moshe’s position?
To bring a religious angle here: one reason for avodah zara is people’s inability to connect things to the source – they are looking for some immediate source of fire or water or parnasa. So, among other middos, a religious person requires daas that helps him appreciate how events in the world connect back to the Prime Source. Without such daas, one might be ortho-prax just because he is trained to mumble brochos, bot not ortho-dox. So, when some people can not connect obvious things, such as government making oil business harder to increased gas prices shows that they can’t properly connect their life to Hashem also.
Syag > some people, even with college degrees, don’t have enough money to avoid that happening sometimes.
Seems that B’H you are doing ok and this is just a theoretical thing for you. Having mess money does not lead to filling a full tank, Kids noticed at the gas station what people actually started doing – filling in just several gallons and continue going.
how do female doctors handle crazy med school and rotation schedules while having a family? any clues? The only one I saw have husbands who (even pre-covid) were able to spend lots of time at home – SW develpers or PhD students. (My daughters for this reason are looking into near-medical fields that are less demanding).
Nobody should look down on people who risked their lives whatever level of observance they are, whether they are a prime minister or a stam tzahal soldier from Russia or Ukraine. Maybe people who are at their level may opine.
Also, in addition to Bibi and his brother Yoni, his father has a remarkable insightful book about Abarbanel where he ponders issues of Jewish leadership. The book concludes that Abarbanel missed the moment when Spanish Jews became endangered and, after that, his efforts to prevent expulsion did not help. Did Abarbanel fail, he asks. Answer is – no, as Abarbanel continued visiting and expiring exiles after that and made a great contribution in saving Spanish Jewry after the expulsion.
I read this book when Bibi was the leader in the difficult post-Oslo times, and it felt like the father’s book was about the issues that his son will confront.
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> I know of many many older frum people who are doctors and nurses.
indeed, a couple of decades ago, a friend went for an interview to a major NY hospital in a kippah, etc. The doctor he walked around with – who did not even “look Jewish” – at some point poured a cup of water, went with him into a small room, closed the door, took kippah out of his pocket, said shehakol …
> so many more charedim and lehavdil datiim
this hate just most stop! Charedim may also be dati.
RebE, Ashkenazi husband or ashkenazi wife?
self > Ehrliche yid
akuperma > Language constantly evolvesIn this case, I don’t hear alternatives, it seems that priorities change. People are lauded for being or wished to grow up “frum”, “yeras shemayim”. Nobody seems to actively oppose “ehrliche”, it just is not that important
Ballet pianist. I know someone who got a heter for this, but decided not to use it while he was single. I presume after he got married, it did not work out either.
Avira > I know of a certain English teacher who convinced many boys to go to college against the wishes of their parents and rebbeim, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
A plug for online schools (or having cameras in the class that parents could watch): I hear all shtus that teachers might say and discuss with the kids. Equivalent to what amom suggests: inviting people to your own house instead of sending them somewhere to interact with strangers.
Or we can reform the President – and make it a 3 people committee (like a beis din). This was one of the original suggestions, possibly one from north, south and the middle of the country.
Anyway, hopefully this tumult will take a month out of Congress timeline and we can save a trillion or two from last minute bills.
It is interesting how D-s like jackk first break the market by their policies and then blame the market for these problems and suggest communist policies as a solution. Paraphrasing R Akiva’s moshal about a fish and a fox – if we are scared what the market can do, how worse it will be without it.
While in general we should be assisting the world to keep Noahide laws, I suggest we just stay away from this contentious issue: extreme positions on both sides are against halakha and the country does not seem to be inclined for middle ground right now.
Legally, the decision is a welcome support for federalism. If more issues will devolve to the states, we might stop talking about federal – Presidential and Congress – elections.
Practically speaking, this might reverse the famous “Roe effect” leading to more D- voters in 20 years.
ujm > That was excellent. Halevei we had that maaila today.
That seems was the position of Chabad Alter Rebbe who supported the czar against most other Rebbeim who welcomed Napoleon (that and RealPolitik that the czar is not going anywhere). Similarly, R Schach writes that we should thank Hashem for making Arabs antagonistic to early Zionists – otherwise, there will be widespread assimilation in Palestine (aside: seems like R Schach cared about those Zionists more than some here).
Of course, however great is to piggyback on czar’s army to ensure compliance with yiddishkeit, I have a feeling that is not the Torah ideal. We have mitzvos to establish our own free society, not ask Pharaoh to ensure we eat kosher.
Avira > with twisted gender, alphabet soup ideology being fostered onto preschoolers.
I think you and Kuvult envision different scenarios, both happening: you are talking about mixing with random people in a public or MO school, Kuvult seems to be talking to some special people with certain character that happen to be non- or less-observant.
I am not sure whether it was wise to have kids fully integrated even i the second scenario, but it is definitely wise to teach the kids that there are people with dignity and purpose that may not be wearing same hat as you.
Gadol > yiddeshe life in the Shtetl/ Alte Heim was fundamentally endowed with greater kedushah
One thing different was that most Yidden did not have a lot of choices, so people stayed within the community.
n0 > The shtetl stirred up a lot of agnostic attitudes toward the Torah. Which is why irreligious sefardim (In the mid-east) did not have such attitudes until they met their western counterparts.
I just wrote about this in another thread. I don’t the shtetl itself created the stira – rather enlightment and russian oppression. R Berel Wein traces antagonism of Israeli commies towards religious organization to the russian law that made kahal responsible for providing cantonists – kids for pre-army military schools, leading to corruption and violence within the community.
> who arbitrarily decided that middos (one mitzvah) is more important than kedushas aynayim
without weighing on the debate itself. there are priorities in values, we are not just adding up mitzvos, see discussions why Avraham wanted shidduch from Syria rather than Knaanim.
Avram, I agree on changing priorities and kids. My kids do not stay in touch with those friends who became non-observant or moved into lax MO circles. Still, something is not right here. If you note, Sephardim seem to have more united communities, with many masorti people who feel like part of am yisrael even if not always observant or learned. Possibly, we suffer the post-haskala shock that we probably need to get over already. Number of reformim, socialists, OO is not that high any more, most non-observant Jews are ignorami rather than apikoiri.
From a sefer written in 1950s by former Jewish politicians in Latvia. During 20-s, 30s, they were happily fighting “fascist” Latvians and fellow Jews, and the book is somewhat a teshuva for how they mis-understood Soviet and Nazi threats. One scene from a book: one (of 3-4 total?) Jewish members of Seim (socialist?) gives a speech and lambasts “that fascist”. Prime minister or President, already burned by that term, jumps us and shouts – how dare you call me …. The Jew – pan Ulmanis, of course I am not talking about you – I am talking about him (pointing to the other right-winger Jew).
This is interesting approach: admit that someone is a talmid chacham, and then proudly report that your teacher will not quote him. I am compelled not to believe your testimony despite it being so compelling as it reflects negatively on the talmidei chachamim you learned from. Reminder: beis Hillel would quote b shammai first and that was the reason for their success.
It might be that your teachers didn’t see you or your class up to the proper level of learning and would reduce debate to improper level, so they stayed quiet.
it is indeed common for kids to stay with the group like them and is more common now than before. It surely helps kids to stay less affected by bad influence, but it unfortunately leaves remaining Jews without any positive influence. We can’t leave them just to chabad shluchim and”kiruv” professionals.
On a personal level, if someone lost friends due to being more observant, it is also a reflection on someone’s level of observance. A true Torah scholar should cause positive emotions among at least some of their friends at least according to beis Hillel
I presume that if Moshe had a choice of having script seen in the right way to himself and to others – he will choose to show it to the Jews the right way. After all, he already learnt them, his goal now was to show it to the rest of the yidden.
Ehrliche yid
How big is the shul that would need $100k for new ac? Would it have 100+ people there? Can you all have a 5 year loan for this ac and pay 200 per year each? Also maybe some of the people in the shul are in construction business and can offer a discount for the job
RW, If you go to the store and research the shofars, I am not sure you can then go to the manufacturer and buy direct. This is not why the store put them out there.
y1836,
for last couple of centuries, we live through one of the greatest upheaval times of the Jewish and world history. It would be surprising, and even disappointing, if all opinions about modernity will be the same, disregarding personalities, opinions, environment in different places, etc.so, I don’t think it is an issue of who is right or wrong or who is acceptable, but what different people were able to discover and how it will all get integrated at the end.
RebE, thanks, obviously multiple rishonim and achoronim allowed taking money for learning or teaching Torah with various sociological explanations of our weakness. R Moshe, for example, suggests that nowadays chachamim can’t juggle working and learning at the same time. It would be silly to ask R Kotler to go into real estate or R Soloveichik into teaching Hegel instead of learning despte their obvious talents. But then if there are people who do not get support that they find sufficient and are distraught by the lack of parnasa, and spend time looking for segulos and questionable sources of income – maybe then they should follow the derech that will make them successful, as the Gemora says. It depends on personal circumstances.
R Mordechai Dubin was in Latvian parliament
RebE > if we can read the luchas across,
Maybe the lesson is that you can read them across – but only if you hold them together.
Wolf, an excellent Bayesian argument!
I feel I’ve seen this post before
jackk, if Federal govt were to start opening fire stations in every town, this would be un-American indeed.
Maybe socialism is so much slower to “progress” in US because it is revealed by federalism. Every time you have a “good” policy, it is reasonable to try it in a town or a state first. Then, those who do not like it, can easily move away, and others will learn the lesson. So, when D-s try to force every issue through Federal government and courts, their anti-democratic tendencies are revealed.
have to answer the first question myself:
as we know, luchos were physically identical, but the first had way more text chiseled away – so, of course, 2nd was heavier.Presuming, Moshe was carrying them as in the movie to show to Jews, then the first lucha will be on right side for the people, or in Moshe’s left hand, so the heavier 2nd lucha was in his right hand, corresponding to two ideas above. So, here sevora, gemora, and physics all match.
Gadol > Economists believe in dedicating asset to the highest and most efficient use.
this is Karl Marx, not Adam Smith. You seem to admit our point.
RebE > you are saying what the Rambam says
Indeed, I am not trying to come up with chidushim here or be controversial, I think this is a very traditional view that was lost due to modernishe opportunities in the goldene medina.
re: Rambam, I do not know his biography in depth, but as I understand, he was learning “F/T” first supported by his brother David, and went “into professions” after his brother did not come back from the business trip. I do not know whether he was ever supported by the Jewish community, whether in Spain, Morocco (doubtful), or Egypt. Note that his “F/T” included some medicine, astronomy, and philosophy.
maybe we need to expand what “visible” is – this does not have to be a tall hat (Lincoln and Kennedy had that also) but might be how people walk, talk, and behave. Kiso, koso, vekaaso.
I cut – and toot – my own horn. Be careful, though – most deer in USA had covid.
> I voted for Biden and I am not going to debate it.
silence is an admission of a loss in our culture … very admirable way to do it.
I saw on another educated board, a TDS sufferer confronted with Trump’s quote forewarning Europeans about dangers of pro-Russian policies. Having nothing else to say, he went into a pretzel – he only said it because Bolton told him to say that. Human ability to stand on heir position is amazing. I am proud of jackk who has more integrity than that.
Syag > would also be able to stay up nights to work in a kennel and feed and clean the abandoned dogs there,
Good comparison (I choose not to be petty that I also cleaned and love those rascals). Indeed, mothers often have hard time getting jobs as their jobs do not shine on the resume. But it was amazing to see how my wife was able to start her business on the strength of her maternal skills after the kids started walking on their own. And, no doubt, kids’ desire to take care of stray animals comes from watching her (if they were watching me, they would want to deal with stray computers).
Practically speaking, I don’t see much changing from the time when Gemorah warned that Rashbi derech is risky: most of people I know whose Torah is interesting are either working as Rabbis or in professions. Don’t tell me I am hanging out in the right places, I can see a kollel from my window better than Sarah Palin can see Russia.
Syag > How do you seriously equate not going to college or working in the professional world with dying of hunger instead of opening the fridge?
I am sorry I sound this way on Internet. I am writing for a casual conversation where people generally have good will to each other, rather than filling out all details expecting a lawyerly challenge.
Again, this is about people who complain that they don’t get something or take inappropriately to achieve that. See R Dessler Michtav Eliyahu “Give and Take” essay that people are divided into givers and takers. Now, I am thinking, there is a good reason for Yissachar/Zevulun formal partnership with a shtar … Why not let Yissachar knock on Zevulun in shul or even tax him? Rabbis made the rules, after all… Evidently, learners felt that giving away 50% of zechus for learning is a better bargain than behaving inappropriately and risk losing whole 100%.
RebE > one who carries on himself the yoke of Torah is taken away the yoke of derech eretz
And Syag on a similar note:Look, R Ilai (?) would have birds burned over him when he learned. If you solve the kashrus issues, you can just eat those birds. And if you don’t deserve (or prefer not to use) miracles, you can live modestly. In our times, if you are ready to live the same way most people lived in, say, middle ages, you can probably work one hour a week to achieve that. In fact, if someone is committed to this learning but does not have an hour a week, I’ll be happy to sign up as Zevulun, bli neder.
The problem is only when people want to have both zechus for learning full time and also keep up with Joneses at someone else’s expense without the sponsor approval.
on a lighter note – maybe we are better off when D-s take private property. Last time D-s defended their private property, US ended with a civil war.
CTL > The Democratic Party platform has never called for the abolition of private property, the hallmark of Communism.
I don’t want to over-label, and in general this country somehow avoided communism excesses that affected most of Europe 100+ years ago, but I think one can agree that D-s often suggest solutions that partially negate private property. In purist terms, any expropriation of private property that is not justified and unavoidable is a step towards abolition of private property. As D-s often look at taxation and re-distribution as a solution. Latest exhibit – wholesale student debt forgiveness directed mostly to their own voters.