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> “דער ישיבות זענען אונזער מדבריות”
This indeed fulfils Rambam, as long as one understands this as a temporary protective solution. Unfortunately, dor hamidbar got comfortable and convinced themselves that it is a mitzva to live in midbar – something Rambam surely did not mean.
Colleges that Avigdor Miller and Lubavicher Rebbe attended probably did not have a lot of women at the time. It is a known social observations that groups with less women are more moral (i.e. women are in demand and can insist on their rules).
There is also a difference between attending a local college with kids attending classes and going home v. shipping kids to a campus.
> Do you actually have examples of supposed lies he spread
how is that not an invitation for lashon hara that was gladly taken. You both will be talking past each other quoting sources that each of your sides trust. This is going nowhere. Can you guys try to find original sources. Maybe gedolim did not out everything in writing on such sensitive topics, but at least something. It is flabbergasting that we can’t figure out what the well-known people a 100 years ago thought about important topics. This is a “broken masorah” when we can’t trust the sources …
I guess, this works for law schools, but what about other jobs? It should be possible to count accredited yeshiva classes for humanities/cultural/electives and then have ~ 2 years of professional training at a local or online university. Anyone has experience with that?
Avram > would it not be prudent for them to find out why chareidim do not serve?
I agree, and I believe there are some initiatives that makes charedim serve in acceptable units.
< chutzpah for a “side” that doesn’t generally learn Torah full time to criticize kollel learners
that’s a cheap shot. Someone who serves in the army risks his life for the safety of others.
I am not sure whose criticism you mean – chilonim, other religious Jews or me personally. My skepticism regarding current social system is not that I don’t want people to learn, I want them to learn with all the chumros mentioned by Rambam and human decency. I am all for father-in-laws and businessmen supporting learners, or people learning in poverty without using funds that are not given to them for that purpose.Netziv lived before medinah, but I think people who were growing that wine were tzionim, not yerushalmis. I may be wrong though.
jackk, proceedings need to provide minimal standards of fairness. With Rosenbergs and other spies, they were all involved in helping Soviet murderers in various ways, all of that made them deserving punishment.
Avira, so before you were accepting certain people but not others. Now, you are saying that there are people who are 50% to 99% Talmidei Chachamim and your favorite authorities admitted that. but the remaining part is treif and they are human and frail. This is contrary to other Talmidei Chachamim, of whom books are written that they are not human and frail. I know R Meir treated Acher that way, but I don’t think this is a usual way. The usual way is that if you are confronted with Talmidei Chachamim disagreeing, you need to respect them all, even if you disagree.
I presume Moshe, Shmuel, David spoke some sort of Hebrew despite it being a difficult language to talk in?!
also, you are looking at it from your own perspective. how about several millions of Jews who did not master Gemora? Israeli Jews have a way higher chance of eventually finding their home than American. and Ivrit is part of that.
jackk,
where do you find in Jewish books permission to mislead other people? You are measuring the sea level by the highest wave.There are always multiple polls and you can find a one you like.
Biden’s average is 41%, indeed 5% above his absolute lowest of 36% a month ago and a little below of his previous plato of 42%. I suspect this is mostly due to progressives coming home and increased enthusiasm among them. Meanwhile, average house margin (538) went from R +6% to R +4% so you have something to be optimistic about.I find it difficult to understand this argument about bnei David. What were Chashmonaim supposed to do? Go find a Ben David who didn’t show up on his own? Maybe more reasonable they should not call themselves kings and have a broader power sharing with Sanhedrin. Still not clear how this is possible at the time of fighting that requires unified power, see Shmuel and Washington. It seems the immediate source of their downfall was fighting each other and calling Pompey to resolve that. Still, there was no path to independence in the Roman empire, as r Yohanan understood
Ujm, I am bringing her as an example that rabonim did not seem to object to her learning. Are you saying they were wrong based on the tragic outcome? Or maybe we need to conclude that husbands need to be more understanding of their learned wives instead of testing their psyche . In general, it is not a good idea to make up nisyonim, Hashem knows which ones are the right ones, but people don’t as in this example
Were people had? Some leftwingers are boasting that republicans were not able to focus on criticizing recent climate reduction bill because they voted so quickly before details were understood and fox was talking about the raid 24-7. Would it be too much to credit bidenistas with timing these events? Given their score record this seems unlikely but the coincidence did happen
Avira, so what is your explanation of Gerer Rebbe’s action?
I think if moishe were to encounter Beruriah online, she could teach him how to make his question shorter
I am just following the Gerer Rebbe psak. One fine shabbos on Warsaw, an yid on a horse had hutzpa to ask some Gerer chasidim directions. They turned away so not to see the aveirah. Then the Rebbe walked to the guy and gave him directions. He explained to the surprised chasidim that this way the guy will ride the horse less and do less hillul shabbos. The sefer didn’t make it clear whether this was the real explanation or just plain derech eretz towards an yid.
I have to add a personal story. I once asked someone looking like a Gerer chosid directions in Yerushalaim, not on shabbos and not dressed like him. This was before gps and few people had cellphones and paid by the minutes. The guy got out his fancy phone and started calling his friends and family for my directions as if it was his own problem.
Can we use chashmomaim as an example of how to govern rather than just how to resist foreign power? They very quickly ended up fighting each other, killing talmidei chachamim … This example does tell us that some people can be tzadikim in some aspect, but not always example on all their actions. We do honor the achievements.
By giving people directions, you make sure they don’t drive around dangerously looking for the destination, don’t learn ivrit to understand direction, and don’t get aggravated by lack of directions and respect.
Huju, this is cognitive dissonance that you need to attend to. We all always look at the events when they happen, form opinions that are hard to change later. So, we now know what exactly Putin’s plan was: take over a neighbor unless they submit to threats and use economic threats to keep soft part of Europe neutral and keep oil price high to feed his own. I am not able to point to any Trump policy that helped that and see above for ones that were against it. Same time lots of Obama Biden Merkel policies that achieved opposite
What is chevra’s opinion of 5 girls who had a temerity to come discuss their financial issues with Moshe rabbeinu? Did they have to go thru tziporah?
I just read that Netziv put his shabbos clothes to accept a first bottle of wine from EY. that was at the time of early Zionists. What was his thinking about these issues?
> The army is mostly mixed
This argument sounds like hutzpa from the side that doesn’t generally serve, whatever good reasons might be for that
Gotagoodpoint beat me to this point, are you a page ahead in daf yomi? Ketubot 45b
Jackk, goyim have a mitzvah to have just courts and we should assist them. McCarthy was also just collecting information, and more important and his search of commies was more successful, but Americans somehow decided it went too far
Modern, according to what I read, organizations that were making those decisions were basing them on their ideological considerations and not on the yerushalamis. I agree with your view and so did r Kamenetsky in the quote.
It is always good to have a wider view on the whole am yisroel rather than a parochial one. During ww2 in Vilno, right before Lithuania was occupied, r Grozdinsky was asked who should get priority for visas, old or young rabbis. Old ones will be killed first, but younger ones would lose their children to communist education.. Rav answered that old ones should have priority because 1. They’ll be able to help remaining ones when they get to America and 2. They’ll be more useful for American Jews
Huju, how do you explain Trump’s pressure on Europe to close northstream, contribute more to NATO, produce more oil and gas in USA and export to Europe? All of that was undermining Putin’s plans that are clear now in hindsight.
I won’t deny that Russians and Chinese would support any divisiness, including both sides, but still their friends are marked by supporting Russian interests at the end even if not overly. For example, fight against nuclear power and climate made Europe dependent on Russian gas, enabling this war. I am sure you can point to some aspect of Trump that benefits Russia, say increase in tensions between USA and EU, but as described his core positions were against Russian core strategy.
I see here a discussion of who to believe when quoting gedolim of the past, then degenerating into a discussion whether the source is Adam kosher. This does make sense but there should be some limits. Unfortunately, most of sources we have paint pictures of the previous generation according to the writer’s ideology. Those who quote more radical opinions may do it to support their even more radical ones. More conservative ones are less outrageous, unless they go full neturei karta, and it is easier for them to obfuscate by omittion. In my view, any untruth is unfortunate and posuls the eidim. Maybe we need to refer more to seforim by the gedolim themselves, making sure those were not edited or some are advertised more than others
Ironically Americans in general are more religious than in other comparable countries. Somehow freedom to choose created more viable religions …
There was a consideration to have Yiddish as the official language of future Israel… Ivrit won because it could be associated with giborim of the old rather than recent ghettos…
Yeshivas continued in Yiddish of course.. r Kamenetsky when visiting r Auerbachs yeshiva said that moschiach will come from there because they had top classes in ivrit making them available to Sephardim
Rab Yehuda mentions that Beruriah learned from thousand of teachers, no record of them either kicking her out or not allowing her to ask questions
Jackk, fair hearing would be ones conducted by choshen mishpat rules: witnesses are called live and cross examined by two sides, etc impeachment hearings were reasonably kosher even if pointless. Ultimate power play: you show respect to the person when he is a president and can maybe leak your personal conversations but abandon fairness when he lost that power. Maybe that was the reason for the raid. They were afraid there were NSA recordings at Mara Lago
I think I start understanding the nature of aviras objections: he doesn’t allow anyone outside of people he approves of to produce an original thought, or to apply Torah to a new situation. He trusts his teachers and up to their teachers so on up to Moshe rabbeinu. Anyone outside of his mesorah chain is a suspect apikoires. I thought he had something against modern or chabad but it seems to be a way to preserve his traditions from corruption.
Kuvult, yes, that is what I am saying – a lot of “norms” of American Jewish society are pretty new. You walk in EY or Europe or China and every stone cave is 1000 year old. In US, a 400-old University is an esteemed one. I read about some American suspiciously inquiring some scholarly office in England – “how long are you in business? ” – “800 years” ..
Also, the country was small. At the founding, there were, I think, 3 mln people and the founders were writingly bravely expecting that there could be even 30 mln in the future! Also, early Jewish citizens in NY and RI were pretty distinguished Sephardim, not chopped liver so to speak.
Avira,
what messianic Rabbi? Oh, a Chabad Rav who mentioned that Rambam learnt from anyone. No, he is not a moschihist, but rather a serious engineer in addition to being Talmid Chacham. And he did not say “learn Torah from Aristotle” but rather “accept empirical truth from whomever”, it was Muslim science in the context of conversation, but you are probably not aware what was studied in Fes madrasa when Rambam passed by there. Your ability to insult people l’hathila is sad.I am not saying R Twersky mixes Torah and Psychology. He does a normal thing – applies Torah to the current reality. He happened to be a baki in certain area and does it well, in opinion of many people. I am still not sure what is your claim to knowledge here. It seems to be entirely self-circular: “I learned from Rabbi X and Y whom I think being most important ones, therefore, my opinions are most important because I am following those important Rabbis”. I am afraid you are insulting your teachers also.
Is this really happening? Can the community deal with this?! R Avigdor Miller says that b’zman Moschiach beis din will administer malkos to traffic violators.
Most important, many leaders advised against leaving Eastern Europe based on well-perceived spiritual dangers and underestimation of upcoming physical dangers.
Bochur, I am taking you at your word. A girl is forbidden to wear man’s clothes.
It is possible to understand what someone is saying even when he is messing up with the sentence structure. As you will notice, soon after joining the adult world, that a lot of (first) impression are based on written communications. No employer or self-respecting balabos will make contact to a potential employee/hatan who wrote any of your sentences in the latest post. Sad but true. So, you will not get a chance to even demonstrate your wonderful white shirt (unless you attach a photo to the written correspondence). Strunk “Elements of style” is a very thin old book that will help you avoid 90% of errors.
smerel, you are right! Even as other Republicans chose not to participate, she had all the leverage to insist on a balanced inquiry and presentation. Instead, she went for a show. It looks like she, and her father, feel that Trump is such a threat that you can use any methods to fight him. This is un-American.
> What we have here is a rabbi mixing psychology with mussar,
I know as much as you do about AA, but in a wider look, R Twersky’s books are thoroughly Jewish. He is not using psychology to invent new type of mussar. To the opposite, he goes thoughtfully through Jewish sources and applies them to modern social and personal events, including those that he encountered in practice, including insights he learned from dealing with his patients and from them … He is not writing only about mental illness, but about psychology of normal people and their middos. For example, he quotes his former patient. Rav heard several years later that this patient found lost money (significant amount) and made an effort to return to the owner. Rav called him up to congratulate. The guy shared this insight: when I was getting high, the high laster for one night. Now, it is 6 months after I did the mitzva, and I still feel good when thinking about it.
We always had signs for arei miklaot, used rarely – so that the retzahim would quickly go where they need to go without stopping to talk to anyone and creating more trouble. At the same time, there is no mitzva to have signs towards Yerushalaim, so that everyone going on regel would stop and and ask direction from everyone and inspire them. So, this is a good reason to have Arabic signs. Otherwise, they will be stopping by a makolet to ask for direction and getting into a fight.
just realize that 1851 is pretty recent in Jewish history. America is a recent settlement, all these new “traditions” are really chadash. For example, some say that they, or their minhagim are “yeshivish”. What does that even mean?! I understand Sepahrdi, or Teimieni, or Yekke, or Litivishe – these are hundreds/1000+ years, but “yeshivish”? Was your great-great-grandfather getting his minhag GrA at Volozhin yeshiva?! There were 400 students there, so not very likely.
Developing nuclear weapons by trial and error is not a good idea, hope nobody tries it at home. Rosenbergs definitely participate in espionage. Whatever one specific spy accomplished is not even relevant. The enemy uses all obtained material, uses that to direct further collection and their own research .. Khrushchev et al would not care about the role of a specific spy, except playing it to gullible Americans for political purposes. So you can safely disregard anything any Soviet leader or engineer said.
Hope I didn’t offend you, I am just trying to help you solve this issue. If you learn grammar, you’ll earn more and will be able to afford your favorite shirt. You will also find a shidduch with great middos who will tell you what shirt you really like
Their state, town, kahal. Last time I checked American constitution, it said that whatever is not mentioned there is reserved for States and people.
Dick Cheney supported a stronger president v congress. If he is not happy with Ts uses of it, he needs to admit that he was wrong
Avira, you won’t be able to learn this way. You reject a serious expert in the field because of your nebulous feeling that this is not proper without having any serious argument. This is circular logic where you reinforce your biases. And every time you convince yourself in that, you become even more reassured.
There is nothing wrong to use your gut feeling as the initial position. So you suspect that r Twersky is making a mistake. Shoyn. So then it’s the time to go and verify that with T Ch who understand the issue, read more of the Ravs books, analyze medical literature etc This way you’ll eventually know how well your gut feeling actually works
Ok let’s start imafather site
1, If you are in a minyan you need to do what they do publicly. You can daven your nusach quietly or do things in other places. Say you wear tefilin on chol hamoed and they don’t, do you wear them at home… Other way around, you may get away being without a tefilin, I think
Jackk, you are getting personal here. RebE ran away from Russians. Part of their power was having nuclear weapons acquired with the help of spies, these and other ones. So you still worry about the punishment for those who helped oppress millions of people ..
I thought I am indecisive but now I am not so sure about it.
Gadol > simply stuffing boxes with classified
Look, sometimes you need to appreciate where someone comes from a treat him accordingly. According to my private sources, there will be a long article about this in New Yorker tabloid in a week. Think about someone who became non-drinking President, seemingly being nice to his wives. you say it is a low bar, but then think that he comes apparently from 3 generations of drunkards and wife-beaters, his father was working with mafiosi and mamash murderers, stealing money from war effort, similar cousins. Even trying to make his siblings and children keep sober … There is something humane here that we need to appreciate even if there are some quirks in character. Don’t judge a person until you get to his place (I don’t know whether you are running for President or not). Wait for the paper to hit the stands and read it.