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As a people we’ve never had achdus, especially the few centuries. The Misnagdim and Chassidim were bitter enemies thru the 1840″s They didnt declare a truce until they realized that they were fighting each other over a smaller pie as Reform was making inroads. When I was growing if a Lubavitch wandered into Satmer territory, ( or vice versa ) they were physically assaulted.
And, further proof, just look at random YWN postingsIt must also be noted that the Russia hoax and the resulting impeachment pretty much neutralized Trump’s first 2 years
Avira, the difference is whether you believe midrashim are historical or stories ( that are often contradictory) intended to make a point. Germania was named by Julius Caesar centuries after the fall of the Assyrian Empire and the disappearance of Amalek. Why would Amalek travel nearly 4000 miles to Northern Europe?
Reb Eliezer, so does learning in English make English holy?
Yiddish was simply the everyday language of East European Jewry, nothing more, nothing less. It was also the language Jews used to curse in as Hebrew didn’t really have vulgarities.Avira,
Germans were descended from Northern European ( Scandinavia) tribes, not Amalek. Amalek disappeared before the Assyrian Empire arose and there is no connection between the two, other than for midrashic drasha purposes.Noone forces anyone to overspend. I had a budget for my daughter’s wedding and she had a budget for a small Simcha for my grandsons bar mitzvah.
The point I was trying ( and obviously failed ) to make was that Neville, as an outsider, appeared to be deriding Britain’s monarchy and that the Brits couldn’t see the reality. Similarly we have practices, that to an outsider, seem to make little sense, like the 8th day but I’m positive Neville wouldn’t be happy to hear a Brit use the same language and approach Neville used 7
Avira, you made my point for me. We have a calendar, and it will still be in effect when moshiach comes. And ,unlike in the days of the Bais Hamikdash, we won’t be dependent on hilltop bonfires to convey the testimony of aidim. We can use electronic communication. BTW, Shavuos never needed the extra day as it’s not dependent on aidim or the new moon
Neville, people in glass houses shouldn’t be throwing stones.
Look at some of our practices that make no sense yet we defend to the hilt ( i.e. 8th day Yom tov when we’ve had a calender for 2,000 years ). Then we justify other practices when the only reason we can come up with is “minhag” and to us it makes total senseThe whole thing is odd. The first mention of the 24,000 doesn’t appear in the Gemorah until 100 t0 200 years after it occurred. It doesn’t answer how Rabbi Akiva supported or taught 24,000 students ( and presumably their families ). If how they treated each other was the reason, why didn’t Rabbi Akiva act to correct it?
Believe me, I think we already have too many depressing days and am not advocating 33 days for the Holocaust. I’m just contrasting the rwo in how they are treated. Why weren’t the 24000 students swept into Tisha B’Av?
I just wonder why 33 days of mourning for 24000 and zero for 6 million
R Eliezer, nice try but Kol Nidre appeared centuries before the 1492 expulsion
It’s curious. Rav Moshe was mattir on peanut oil for Pesach. Do those who cite him on eruvim also argue for peanut oil?
Avira, you apparently chose to ignore it but I clearly stated that the Bais Din of England ruled that Rabbi Mirvis could attend. The King further accommodated the Rabbi by not requiring the use of a microphone when Rabbi Mirvis and the other faith representatives made their declaration to the King.
The Bais Din of England ruled that it was permissible for the Chief Rabbi to attend out of respect for an invitation from the King. The leaders of every faith attended and they didn’t have to participate in the prayers, as far as I know, other than a joint declaration for the King by all of the faith lead leaders.
UJM,Avaira et al, please don’t be upset he didn’t ask your opinions.Zetruth: what state of emergency?
American yeshivish, your great grandparents also didn’t have dairy ( no refrigeration) and used an outhouse.
CTlawyer et al,
While the mass shootings get all the attention in the media, far more people are murdered in ” routine ” violence. Chicago alone had 797 murders in 2021, 695 in 2022 and 141 year to date.
Baltimore had 337, 332, and 74 respectively. Gun laws stop only law abiding citizens from possessing guns. Gang members, muggers and assorted law breakers don’t care about or apply for gun permits.Avira, one day you’ll explain why your generic negative comments about all MO are not lashon harah or motze shem rah.
BTW, I know the family and they are black hat yeshivish, not chassidish
UJM, what is your factual, statistical basis for your arayos claim? Can you define what you mean by a girlfriend and the halachic basis for condemning their existence?
AAQ, whatever respect I had for you is gone. Mental health is no joke, and, because of attitudes like yours, people can be reluctant to get help for themselves or a child. My grandson has Asperger Syndrome. His parents recognized the signs very early, fought hard to get him therapy ( the earlier the most beneficial) and B”h he’s made great strides. Two of her friends ignored the symptoms in their kids because they didn’t want to ruin the siblings shudduchim
Ujm, please cite your studies reflecting the attitudes of roshei yeshiva and parents regarding R Kotlers psak on secular studies. It’s only my opinion, but I doubt if many out of Lakewood parents have detailed knowledge of R Kotler’s life, let alone his psaks and positions
I agree with Avira. True teshuvah is achieved when, placed in the same situation, the action is not repeated. However, since he genuinely is having an attack, he must repeat the action, which is not an avairah.
Sam Klein, it’s people like you who are prime sources of antisemitism. In your view, every tragedy in the world is our fault. Covid killed millions, but to the Sam Kliens of the world, it was our fault. Somehow the failure of of a bank was not due to poor decisions and practices, but our fault. We’re the Turkish earthquakes also our fault?
Ujm, the basis for your claim?
Darchei Torah in Far Rockaway long ago recognized that a full time commitment to learning was not for every boy . Instead of forcing them to sit , bored, making believe and resenting being there, Rabbi Bender opened a trade school. They learn carpentry, plumbing electrical and other trades, while also learning part time. The boys end up being financial supporters of both their own family and Darchei Torah.
Well, for one, ujm keeps advocating getting stoned drunk. In addition, both of you seem to have a view that every drunk is a happy, gleeful drunk, full of merriment. Haven’t you heard of, or experienced a nasty, mean drunk? Just ask any woman or child beaten up by a nasty drunk. What is your proof that all rebbeim are pleasant drunks.
With regard to the bochrim, until about 60 years ago, few had access to cars and there was less of an issue of driving drunk from rebbe to rebbe. Today, will a drunk rebbe, serving alcohol to his students, recognize inebriation ,or ask how much they’ve already drunk? Most teens can’t handle alcohol and don’t recognize the warning signs until it’s too late. And, I believe that in New York, anyone illegally serving alcohol to minors, or drunk 18 yr kids is legally responsible for damages incurred in a car accident.Coffee addict, I have no idea what the gedolim said about the earthquake or the attacks. What I suspect is that anyone who rushes in and publicly purports to know the cause by definition is not a gadol.
Avira, ujm, and of course, people never lie. Eyewitness testimony is known to be unreliable.
CT, you don’t paint with a broad brush but many police are bigots and criminals. Pure socialistic countries ( Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, Soviet Union ) tend not to be Democratic.
CT lawyer, please explain how Omar’s constituents are entitled to a seat on the Foriegn Relations Committee? She is still on other committees. Her extreme anti-Israel bias makes her membership on that Committee inappropriate.
Maybe the goyim have a better idea. Many couples pay for their own weddings.
Ujm, who called 911 and the Shomrim?
Avira, you missed and avoided my point. I clearly referenced someone from the time of bayis rishon when sacrifices were no longer allowed outside of Jerusalem. What prayers did they say when they put on tefillin? You didn’t address my point about the Samaritan “Torah” . They copied it from us and wrote it using paleohebrew . Calling the alphabet paleohebrew is not apikorsis
Avira, not only has the application of halacha changed, our religion has undergone massive change in the past
One example is divorce. Originally, a man could divorce his wife unilaterally;now she must agree.
If Jew ( an anachronism ) from the early years of the first Bais Hamikdosh were to come back to life now, he wouldn’t recognize we call Judaism. In his tim e:
1. There were no shuls
2. There were no siddurs
3. There were no religious rituals outside of Jerusalem
4. He wouldn’t be able to read the Torah. Until the Babylonian
Exile, Hebrew was written in Paleo-Hebrew script, not the
Aramaic block letters that Ezra introduced. The Samaritans,
brought into Israel by the Assyrians , copied our Sefer Torah
and theirs is still written in Paleo-Hebrew.There is a lot more
Ujm,Avira then why do Torah institutions respect and honor individuals who earn their wealth through unethical/illegal means? I won’t name the examples. My friends shul has two prominent frum members currently serving prison terms for embezzlement, as is the former treasurer of a five towns shul. A close friend is a lawyer and many of his clients were frum clients who were victimized civilly by other frum Jews
Because money always talks. You’re surprised?
For much of the middle ages Jews had a good life in Europe. Often their biggest protector was the local bishop I
How many families can afford the $25,000 cost , on top of the other children’s tuition? Remember, no discount on airfare , other expenses or the tuition. What is deficient in the prior 12 years of education that makes ay seminary year necessary? If anything, the girls in seminary are living in a bubble that won’t be there when they come home
Nomesorah, as far as Rabbi Feldman is concerned , it’s a moot point as Beth Jacob was never a Conservative synogogue, despite R Eliezer’s mistaken and repeated assertions
Israel has the same dentistry deal as Budapest
Please look at your original post. You said he converted his congregation, not just some conservative congregants.
And, nomesorah, didn’t Rav Moshe issue a psak forbidding Orthodox rabbis from taking Conservative pulpits?R Elezer, I think you owe Rabbi Feldman an apology for implying he took a pulpit in a conservative synogogue
R eliezer, Beth Jacob was never Conservative. It was founded 1943 as an Orthodox breakaway from an existing Orthodox shul that they felt was drifting Conservative ( which it eventually became).
Rabbi Feldman’s humor was one of the tools he used, in his 39 years, to grow Beth Jacob from that small start to a community large enough ( over 500 families ) to support day schools, boys yeshivas, girls yeshivas ( both thru high school ) and a kollel.The chassidim were used simply as an example, because it was a large scale example of discarding of minhagim, mesora and nusach.
The concept of minhag and mesora was more applicable in 1700″s and prior. People rarely left the village they were born in and the cohesiveness promoted the maintenance of the minhagim and mesora. However , the rise of chassidus, the haskala, massive pogroms and emigration have led to mixing of populations and the difficulty of most people have in identifying their mesora and minhagimThe rabbis in my yeshiva ketana routinely beat us ( no patching) up . I’m talking punching, slapping and kicking. It inspired neither learning nor respect but did inspire FEAR .
It’s amazing how excuses are found to justify positions. Minhagim and mesora are sacred, except of course for when the Chassidim discarded centuries of minhagim, mesora and nusach.
So in this case apparently mesorah doesn’t count
Avira, unfortunately it’s no longer 2020. BTW, the attacker had 8 previous arrests , coffee addict, no jail time.
Avira, I won’t ride the subway anymore because of the crime and violence. A rider on his way home from work this past weekend was sitting and minding his own business when a deranged man walked up to him, punched him in the face and opened a wound requiring 8 stitches . The mentally ill and homeless roaming the streets and the subway assault anybody, Jewish or not