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Philosopher, you keep assuming that all the cases being brought under the CVA will be 50 year old cases in which a victim just woke up.
It’s just not so. The 38 victims who filed yesterday had all done so previously, but had their cases thrown out because the statute of limitations had already passed. The victims who filed against Rockefeller University had also previously filed. The old laws maximum ages of 21 and 23 was in many cases to soon before victims were emotionally ready to file.
Well, the first shoe has dropped. I had posited three categories where lawsuits were likely to come from. Yesterday 38 victims ( from category A – admission of guilt made after statute of limitations had expired ) filed lawsuits.
Joseph, if only one case in 25 years is too many, why did the Brooklyn institution and the summer camp protect that molester for 25 years?
I left out the year of the meeting . It was 2010
People here are assuming that decades old cases will come out of the woodwork , with no proof, and file cases. While this will probably happen, they are ignoring the more probable cases:
A. Admissions of guilt made after statute of limitations had expired. Two examples: edited. Now, victims can file suit.
B. Victims who had previously filed suit with credible documentation but whose cases where dismissed because of statute of limitations.
C. Victims who are under 30 years old but the time to file had passed.
I have 2 questions to ask of the posters who maintain that there were few cases of molestation in the frum community:
1. If there were so few cases, why was Agudah”s
longstanding opposition based upon yeshivas
being devastated by a flood of cases
2. Why was a handbook outlining the dangers of child abuse , and how to recognize and deal with it, given to 36 camp directors at an April 29 meeting in Flatbush? Written in Yiddish and English, it was prepared by the Moetzes Gedolei Hatorah of Agudath Israel. The camps represented were a who’s who of frum camps.
I did some additional reading and it appears lawsuits can be brought against the actual abuser AND the institution/individuals who enabled them. The individuals do not have to be alive. The articles mentioned that one of the goals is to publicize the identity of abusers, even if they can’t obtain financial compensation. In California, approximately 300 previously unknown abusers were identified.
BTW, alluding to what I said earlier, my older sister can’t sue because she can’t prove it. Everyone who she told is now dead ( I was an infant and didn’t find out until many years later ) as are the abuser and the enablers
Tlik, you’ve constructed a strawman, claiming that the law allows anyone to stroll into court, offer zero proof and collect a check. Can you cite the section that permits this? My understanding is that proof is still required, the change being the statute of limitations.
Joseph, please stop. Bais Dins and yeshivas have ignored the problem for decades. That alone should be enough grounds to pursue justice in secular courts.
In October 2016 a prominent Brooklyn yeshiva agreed to pay a $2.1 million settlement for the sexual molestation of two boys. The molester had been allowed to teach for over 25 years, despite decades of allegations.
So tell me Joseph, would a bais din have accomplished or resolved anything?
ABBA, i agree that, as I mentioned above, lawyers are probably going to go after deep pocketed institutions ( the Catholic Church, Boy Scouts ) . When it comes to yeshivas,all they have to do is find wealthy board members and donors who would have the resources. Keep in mind that the National Agudah could be a target , primarily because of its summer camp.
From this morning’s paper, money does not appear to be everyone’s motivation. Some of the people suing simply want the organization/school/religious body to finally come clean and admit what they allowed to happen.
Syag, the only reason I use that example is point out to Joseph that there are extenuating circumstances that can cause religious people to resort to civil court
Philosopher, I didn’t say you said it, I just compared your undocumented assertion that many were false to the claims made in the CR in past years that all were false.
false. How do you know that many were unfairly imprisoned? Why does the new age limit to file bother you so much? Since these cases tend to taken on a contingency basis, my guess is a lawyer won’t accept a case he knows they can’t win. As to your other comment regarding age, my older sister was molested 68 years ago and her statute of limitations ran out in 1963. Age didn’t just wake up; my parents didn’t believe her and the Rosh Yeshiva wouldn’t act on it. As a result she stopped being religious.
Lake hill, the victims who are no longer frum are not going to go to bais din. Bais Dins aren’t exactly paragons of judicial virtue. A reason why the Satmer brothers have been in civil court is because ( surprise!!) each brothers bais din said they were right.
Joseph, I can’t imagine a victim getting a fair hearing in a bais din. Just like the Satmer brothers who have been b.c battling it out in civil court for years, victims have no recourse other than secular courts
Philosopher, you unfortunately sound like the people who , in the Coffee Room ) maintained that all the accusations were false. As Syag keeps pointing out, the facts will speak for themselves. Many people couldn’t/didn’t come forward earlier because the statute of limitations ran out at age 21 , which was the point of this law.
Even if the yeshivas win all lawsuits filed against them ( and there will be lawsuits ) the legal bills will be crippling.August 14, 2019 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm in reply to: Should Wedding gowns for the extended family be discontinued? #1774737
Philosopher, I hope no one who feels obligated to spend big bucks on one time gowns turns around and pleads poverty and requests yeshiva tuition reductions.
Being crowded doesn’t necessarily mean busiest, nor does gross sales. My local Costco doesn’t appear to be busy until you notice that their cashiering process is very efficient and lines are almost never long . KMR’s prices are low, GG is high, so higher gross sales at GG wouldn’t mean they’re busier. You’d need to know things like volume sold, and number of transactions.August 14, 2019 8:59 am at 8:59 am in reply to: Should Wedding gowns for the extended family be discontinued? #1774647
I think people should mind their own business and stop telling others what to do ( assuming what they’re doing is not in violation of halacha)August 12, 2019 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm in reply to: Terribly Missing the Gedolei Europe who built Torah Yiddishkeit in America #1773050
Zahavasdad, the change in the shtetl allowing Jews to leave for the big cities had to happen first. You couldn’t stay in the shtetl if you were no longer frumAugust 12, 2019 8:01 am at 8:01 am in reply to: Terribly Missing the Gedolei Europe who built Torah Yiddishkeit in America #1772621
I hate to be the spoilsport but some of these alte heim beliefs don’t hold up under closer examination. The “world that we lost” was already being lost, well before the Holocaust, despite the best efforts of the Gedolim.
Assimilation had been thwarted in Eastern Europe because government laws kept Jews essentially poor and confined to the shtetl, where they were more easily influenced by the Gedolim to stay frum.
However, by the end of the 1800’s, more and more shtetl youth, no longer banned by government, were leaving for the big cities, attracted by the isms ( socialism, anarchism, communism, Zionism ) . Assimilation was growing .The communist party and other radical groups were full of Jews who grew up in frum homes. If the Holocaust had not occurred, Eastern European Jewry was well on it’s way to looking like Western Europe. There are many family bare headed on line depicting the generational change going on ( fathers with long beards and mothers with hats; sons who are cleanshaven and bareheaded )
Ktorah, Sanders likened Baltimore to a third world country, it’s Mayor said she could smell the rats and Cummings himself called it drug infested. Trumps comments did not mention race or ethnicity.
Katanhatorah, GG affordable? You’ve got to be kidding! My wife will only buy there what is not available in regular supermarkets or Costco. Did you get this info from MSNBC or CNN?
Akuperma , you’ve bought the media kool-ade
Trump is not anti-immigrant, he is against Illegal immigration. He’s very much in favor of merit based immigration, people who have skills to offer
A 0% can be bad and 10% can be good.
The unemployment rate simply is a measure of people seeking employment. If there are 3,000,000 without jobs but are no longer looking for work, the unemployment rate would be zero, and not good.
If the economy picked up, jobs were being created and all 3,000,000 went back into the job market, the rate would be higher, but that be good
The headline to this thread is what is misleading. They are not moving to Baltimore, it would be opening a branch
The Arlington has a shul on the premises and is kosher
Joseph, this time you’ve really gone off the rails. Public schools are supported by tax dollars of ALL people, whether they have children in school or not. Yeshivas are supported only by parents of the students. Big difference. Public schools are legally required to accept all students, yeshivas are not.
What is “exacturation”?July 16, 2019 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm in reply to: ICE Sweeps…It’s not just Brown and Hispanics being rounded up for deportation #1760207
To mod 29: thanks for reminding meJuly 16, 2019 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm in reply to: ICE Sweeps…It’s not just Brown and Hispanics being rounded up for deportation #1759908
Find a way to make your point without calling people names – 29
Remind me again of how many Democrats, either in Congress or running for President, stepped forward to
A. Condemn the squad for their numerous
B. Condemn Sen Booker for saying he had no
problem meeting with Farrakhan
C. Condemn ongoing Hamas rocket attacks
D. Condemn AOC ( and her Chief of Staff ) for
Implying that moderate Democrats and
speaker Pelosi are racists?July 16, 2019 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm in reply to: ICE Sweeps…It’s not just Brown and Hispanics being rounded up for deportation #1759144
Katanhatorah and CTLIBERAL,,
I see that you have not been able to find treatment for Trump Derangement Syndrome. Let me point out a few facts:
A. President Obama was responsible for an average
of 475,000 deportations during his presidency.
B. President Trump is averaging 250,000
C. Under Obama, the annual number of
illegal immigrants who died while crossing
the border ranged from 252-471
D. Under Trump the numbers are 298 (2017)
and 283 ( 2018 )
E. Every time the media tries to vilify Trump for
separating kids , they invariably show
pictures taken while Obama was in office.
F. Since January the Democrats refused to
pass a humanitarian aid bill by first denying
there was a crisis, then calling it a
manufactured crisis and finally, blamed
Trump for their current condition.
So, did you two ever compare Obama to Hitler?
Call him Herr Obama? I doubt it.July 8, 2019 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm in reply to: Deducting Stars in Your Online Review: What is Proper Consumer Practice? #1754092
Yitzyk, and saying that I’m an ignorant halachic dening poster is not lashon harah?July 8, 2019 11:37 am at 11:37 am in reply to: Deducting Stars in Your Online Review: What is Proper Consumer Practice? #1753824
Joseph, by definition, a merchant who sells defective,misrepresented and misidentified merchandise and fails to make good on it is not a shomer Torah u’mitzvos.
Katan, do you understand English? The OP clearly stated that people should keep their opinions re visiting day to themselves
If the idea was to make it a struggle to learn, the gemorah would have been written in Hebrew, not Aramaic. Aramaic was the everyday spoken language of the people, as is English in the US
There was a story in the 5 Towns Jewish Times by Rabbi Hoffman that dealt with the subject of the outwardly frum. Yanky was considered a great catch. Twelve years in the best local yeshiva followed by two years of learning in one of the top Israeli yeshiva’s. So, his wife was shocked when, by accident, she discovered that he was spending each morning having breakfast at a non kosher coffee shop, not at minyan. His wife pleaded with Rabbi Hoffman to find out why. Yanky told the Rabbi that he had no feelings for yiddiskeit. Yes , he had learned for 14 years but his studies had focused virtually exclusively on the Gemara. He never had any classes that dealt with emunah, davening, or how to relate to Hashem unless it was tangenital to a sugya he was learning. It left him indifferent to being religious. So, on Friday night he would go to shul with his sons, come home, make kiddush, sing zmiros and, after his wife and kids were asleep, go to the basement and watch basketball games on his laptop. He didn’t see it as a contradiction and added he wasn’t alone among his friends who felt that way.
Grey matter, just the opposite . We have to be consistent. If restaurant reviews are LH then so are community reviews or any other review ( contractors, seminaries etc )
And from the other side, how is talking about Brooklyn’s dirty streets different than a restaurant’s dirty floors?
Isn’t this topic L’H? What is the difference between a restaurant review and a community review? It’s just an anonymous, non halachic, opinion of a community
The responses here are amusing. Why aren’t Joseph’s reviews of OOT communities LH? After all, it’s just his opinion and can cause harm to those communities.June 26, 2019 10:29 am at 10:29 am in reply to: What’s the difference between protests and parades #1747178
Ky, you don’t seem to get it. When a parade/protest is approved, there is ample advance notice so that drivers can take an alternate route ( on the day of the NY marathon, people know to stay clear of the Verrazano bridge and the BQE.). When spontaneous protesters block streets, there is no advance notice. You seem to feel that your actions come with no cost to yourselves. I think the police have been too soft. If every protest was met with water cannons and arrests , they would think twice before actingJune 20, 2019 8:32 am at 8:32 am in reply to: Putting a nickname on a matzeva or footstone. Advice welcomed. #1744893
Joseph, non-Hebrew on Eastern European matzeivos was historically not an issue for Ashkenazim. Until the 1800’s, Jews living in the Austro-Hungarian and Russian
Empires did not have secular last names nor secular first names. By 1844, Jews living in the Empires were legally required to adopt secular last names.June 2, 2019 7:22 am at 7:22 am in reply to: Putting a nickname on a matzeva or footstone. Advice welcomed. #1736457
Who says stones can’t have English as well as Hebrew names?April 28, 2019 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm in reply to: “Acharon shel Pessach” – No other Yom Tov is called so, why is it called that? #1719993
Gee Joseph, really? 8 days? Only in chutz laaretz? Who knew??
Where did this posek get his medical training?April 12, 2019 9:27 am at 9:27 am in reply to: NEW TREND: Sending Your Kids To Mesivta In Lakewood That Do Not Have English #1713822
Joseph, you realize that this type learning never existed in the alter heim. There was no Medicaid,SNAP etc in pre war Europe and the Jews were too poor support every brochur , no matter their abilities, who wanted to sit and learn. Only the top students continued on to full time yeshiva learning and even they required fulltime fundraising. Every one else had to work in order to eat.April 10, 2019 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm in reply to: NEW TREND: Sending Your Kids To Mesivta In Lakewood That Do Not Have English #1712963
I have no problem, as long as the graduates refrain from applying for welfare benefits because they’re unqualified for anything but low paying teaching positionsApril 8, 2019 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm in reply to: NEW TREND: Sending Your Kids To Mesivta In Lakewood That Do Not Have English #1711117
Are you talking elementary grades level? High schools?April 7, 2019 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm in reply to: Tax Time Nightmare….Trump’s Tax Reforms Cost me big time #1710536
Alot of people thought they suffered because they had smaller refunds. It was then discovered that because the new ( and lower ) withholding wasn’t implemented until February, there was less withholding, higher net checks and thus, lower refund.
The doubling of it the standard deduction helped.
Our dear Gov Cuomo actually blamed the tax cap on the rise in New Yorkers leaving NY, not the taxes themselves.
CT, how come you left FDR, LBJ , JFK and Bill Clinton off your presidential cheaters list?March 24, 2019 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm in reply to: Putting a nickname on a matzeva or footstone. Advice welcomed. #1700445
A mamin, so it’s respectful to use the name to their face while they’re alive, but not on a stone?
I’m laughing at the hypocrisy. Neighboring towns view what’s been going on in Lakewood and are desperate to keep their quality of life . So, when they use zoning and other regulations to prevent incoming Jews from bringing in Lakewood density problems, they are accused of antisemitism .
This is nothing new. About 20 years ago my son in law was teaching a psychology course at Touro in Flatbush. Two Bais Yaacov graduates accused him of using indecent, foul language and filed a complaint. His crime, using the word sex. It was used in terms of genders , not procreation, and the girls were told that they were in college, not Bais Yaacov.