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Syag, we discussed this before. Keeping the economy closed creates other, serious health issues. I have glaucoma and could not get my eye pressure checked for 4 months . My eye dr reopened last week. Diabetics, heart patients and many other people with chronic conditions have gone unchecked and are potentially worse. How many cancers have gone undetected because diagnostic procedures have been cancelledm .Hospitals are in grave financial condition because they have been unable to perform the elective procedures that they make money on. The Covid cases are money losers. The economy vs covid was never meant to be the issue. At this point people have to go back to work. Anyone drawing a salary has no business telling the unemployed to stay home. It’s not either or at this point. We can reopen the economy while still taking steps to protect the most vulnerable. Will there be more deaths? Most likely yes, but there is no way to tell if it wouldn’t have happened anyway .
Mlhouse, thats the problem with using national statistics. The 2 if the largest measles hot spots,by zip code,were Boro Park and Williamsburg, 2 centers of large Jewish populations.
Joseph ,You’re not inviting ten people to your home 3 times a day ,7 days a week to play solitaire. Chances are than ten people in your home, not creating a disturbance , would not be an issue. But, if a neighbor found out that you were holding services on a regular basis ( defining the establishment of a shul ) they could report you to the Home Owners Assoc and create a problem. In any event, you cant get more than 15 people in the apartment. Where would their wives daven?
Joseph, please don’t distort. You davening maariv in your house is not the same as establishing an organized shul/church/mosque in your apartment. This discussion is about establishing a breakaway from the YI of Deerfield so, if your comment was in general, it was irrelevant.
We’ve done more tasting than any other country and continue to expand capability. Take your head out of the sand.
Joseph, I’m not an attorney, and neither are you However, just like Abba and others, , you are making statements without ever having seen Century Villsge.
Century Village is a private gated community and as such, may not be subject to the First Amendment. All the roads in CV are private, as is all the land. State universities are subject to the first Amendment, private colleges are not.
Abba, as of 2018 dues in that YI are $1250 a person, not between 2 and 5 thousand.
Deerfield an hour north of Miami and has no connection to the Miami vaad
Commonseychel, to buy an apartment in Century Village you have to be no younger than 55 ( unless your spouse is over 55) and the average age of the residents is probably in the high 70s. Many snow birds are still in Florida and it would be virtually impossible on a Shabbos to socially distance 1500 to 1600 mispallim. Again, we are talking about a shul where everybody is in the most vulnerable category living in a community of 30,000 senior citizens.
Setting up a breakaway is not so simple and, despite what Abba says, it’s not cheap. You can’t have it on the Century Village property and whatever property you rent has to be close by and within the eruv. The expenses have to be spread out among fewer people. Besides, they would have to hire a lawyer to form a legal entity to be responsible for the lease because a landlord has to have someone legally and financially responsible. When you start talking money , watch how soon the rogue minyan dissipates. Aldo, if you’ve davened either nusach Ashkenaz or Sfard ( the YI has a Sfard minyan concurrent with the main minyan ) for 70 years, are you really going to feel comfortable switching to Nusach Ari and Chabad minhagim?
There is another important issue. In a a shul the size and age like Century Village, unfortunately illness, hospitalization and RL, death, is alot more common. Early in its history, when it was a lot smaller, the shul relied upon members who were retired rabbonim. However, as membership grew and with it, the need, it became unfair to the retired rabbonim so the shul hired a rav. So, what happens when the rogue minyan has a member in the hospital, confined at home or loses someone to illness, who do they call? Who supplies a shiva minyan, the chevrah kadisha? The shul they will no longer be supporting.
What I’m saying is that it’s not as simple as people are making it out to be.
BTW, small Friday night minyanim have always been allowed in pre Corona times because if you’re 82 and using a walker, it was too physically draining to walk a mile round trip to shul for a relatively short davening.
Abba S., I sincerely hope you are better informed in other cases than you appear to be here.
There are no basements or garages. Century Village is a gated community of owner occupied Apartments. There is a limit of how many people can squeeze into an apartment, even if the Homeowner rules allowed it, which they don’t.
The Young Israel, when it’s open, gets hundreds of men to it’s daily minyanim so your concern is unwarranted.
Read the letter, they were not thrown out of the shul. However ,for going against the Rav’s psak the participants were: 1. stripped of any positions they held within the shul 2. Were banned from receiving any kibudim 3. Could not be a baal tefikah, baal kriyah or maagid shiur
Akuperma, distance Torah education has existed for quite some time. 15 years ago I was visiting the Chabad center in Albuquerque, New Mexico. The host couple showed us how Chabad had surmounted the long standing problem of educating Chabad children in far flung areas. They had interactive classes over a network with other chabad kids
Gadolhadorah, virtually everyone is working remotely, except, of course, the hundreds of thousands, if not much more, working in law enforcement, fire departments, healthcare, factories, farms, driving trucks, stocking shelves etc. These people don’t have the luxury of working from home while at the same time putting themselves medically at risk. I’m sure they, plus the doctors and nurses working 18 hour shifts and the EMT’s would really sympathize over your blurred lines .
Mazal77, unfortunately that attitude of the locals is a result of past , highly publicized misbehaviour of some yidden.
Moshefrommidwood, with regards to Bridgegate. What those 2 people did was despicable and an abuse of power but was not a felony under Federal law. Accusing them of fraud to get them into Federal court was a big stretch by Obama’s DOJ . Because there was no scheme to obtain money or property, the Court ruled that the defendants could not have violated Federal fraud laws.
It was Peter Strzock who kept the investigation open, not Comey. There are emails between Strzok and Lisa Paige( his girl friend and an FBI agent ) whose emails stated that it was their intention to stop Trump from being elected.
There was nothing out of the ordinary in an incoming national security advisor meeting with the Russian ambassador
Katanhatorah., do you know how to read and comprehend ?
1. The agents investigating Flynn found no wrongdoing
2. The FBI illegally bugged Flynn’s conversation with the
Russian ambassador so they knew what was said was
not a problem before interviewing Flynn
3. The agents handwritten notes document that the agents
were going to close the case when Comey told them to
keep it open for the purpose of trying to trick Flynn into
4. Obama’s FBI and DOJ committed. numerous civil rights
1. The US Attorney Van Zark ( I think that’s his name)
failed to turn over to the court and the defense all of
the documentation that came to light last week
2. There was no need for the meeting with Flynn as the
FBI already had the transcript
3. As Comey himself admits, the FBI failed to follow
protocol by not notifying the White House attorneys
of the meeting and by telling
Flynn that he didn’t need an attorney as it was just a
4. Ultimately Flynn said he lied. But that was only after
relentless prosecution that cost him his reputation,
his house, and assets to pay the mounting legal
bills and being threatened that they would go after
They threatened to go after his son. The agents who did the investigation found nothing. Their notes state that their purpose was to get into the White House, not inform Flynn that he was entitled to an attorney and trick him into a false statement
Syag, no bias here. My granddaughter had decided months ago not to go. My daughter went years ago for 1 and 1/2 years. She has always been level headed and responsible and did very well there. However, it’s not for every girl , or boy for that matter.
Hmm, the OP is presenting the following choice for their child:
A. Spend $30,000 get their child away from responsibilities
at home. OR
B. Spend $0 and assume child is not home and change
Seems like a simple choiceMay 4, 2020 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm in reply to: Lawsuit in NJ to force the state to allow worship service #1856944
CTLAWYER, You’re not correct on binding decisions. A recent disturbing trend is for a single district judge issuing national injunctions . Members of the Supreme Court gave expressed a dislike for the practice and have been overturning them on expedited appeals
Since when are non Jewish institutions our role model?
Besides, there have been a number of class action and individual lawsuits already or waiting to be filed against American universities. I personally don’t understand why institutional endowments ( Harvard $40 Billion , Princeton $26 Billion ) are tax exempt.if they can charge $70,000 tuition , then they should pay taxes
Gadolhadorah, leave it to a liberal “orthodox” jew to ridicule another religion.You don’t have to like Pence, but given how many frum Jews have had rabbinically sanctioned simchas and funerals that violated the rules, criticizing his religion is hypocritical.May 1, 2020 8:56 am at 8:56 am in reply to: Set up a system to give the Chosson & Kallah a present. #1855791
Gee, presuming that you were an invited guest, I have a revolutionary way to send a monetary gift.
Please follow these instructions very carefully:
1. Write out a check, made out to the new couple, in the amount you wish to give
2. Address an envelope to the correct addres
3. Put check in envelope
4. Seal envelope
5. Put a stamp on the envelope in upper right
6. Put your address in upper left
7. Walk to a postal service drop box and drop in the envelope
Asimpleyid, I hate to be the one to break the news to you but Joseph is the definition of a troll and has plagued YWN for years. You are wasting your time arguing with him. He vurtually never sources his positions, and when he does will hope that noone takes the time to fact check. At the same time, he will question everyone else’s sources and will conveniently never respond to proofs he can’t refute. Debating him is pointless as he doesn’t care about the outcome; he considers it a victory to just have people respond to his rhetoric. In the past, he’s gone as far as to use other YWN identities within a thread to make it appear that he has supporters. As I said before, the best way to deal with him is to ignore him.April 29, 2020 9:44 am at 9:44 am in reply to: Time to cautiously reopen schools, Shuls, & most Businesses. #1854815
I’m very tired of the elitist commentators on cable news condescendingly looking down on and criticizing protestors who want to go back to work. The talking heads , many earning 6 figure and higher salaries, have no empathy for the common working men and women who don’t have the luxury of being able to work from home and get a paycheck. They ignore the 95% protesting in their cars while singling out for ridicule a person holding a sign that they want a haircut.
We cannot wait until there will no longer be any more linfections/deaths because the economy cannot stay closed for a year. This morning, a front line ER dr in NY pointed out that closing hospitals to all but Clovid cases is also damaging.
People with chronic diseases ( i.e. diabetes , ) cannot go to clinics for needed routine follow up care. Transplant surgeries have been cancelled. Elective surgeries have been cancelled; how many cancers could have been caught while still easily treatable if endoscopies had not been canceled?
Hospitals are also being financially destroyed by the virus. Hospitals are not paid by the number days the patient is in a bed; they are paid a single “case rate ” for the entire admission . That is why hospitals tend to push for an average length of stay of 4 days of less. The more admissions into a bed, the more they can bill and Corona patients stay longer than 4 days. So, for example, if a corona patient stays 20 days, the hospital is getting only one payment for that bed instead of possibly 5.April 29, 2020 9:40 am at 9:40 am in reply to: Now What?? post pesach covid thoughts. Entitled generation being challenged #1854780
CTrebbe, You’re missing my point. I’m talking about the phenomenon of ALL boys and girls have to go learn in Israel and all boys , for shidduch purposes, must sit and learn. That model is no longer economically sustainable, especially for boys who are only average students.April 28, 2020 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm in reply to: Now What?? post pesach covid thoughts. Entitled generation being challenged #1854436
What we will see is a sharp drop is the entitlement of going to yeshivas and seminaries, both in the US and in EY.
Every boy sitting and learning regardless of ability (for shidduch purposes) is a recent phenomenon . From the establishment of the first European yeshivas thru the 1970’s, only the best,the future leaders, went to yeshivas. Why? We as a community could not afford it. In Europe, if you didn’t work you didn’t eat. Poor shtetl Jews could not support average B or C students. Now, with so many people out of work , sick or,unfortunately no longer alive, parents are going to think real hard before spending $30,000 for a boy or girl who’s an average student, at best. I believe the entitlement of a year or 2 in Israel is over.
Can everyone please stop feeding the troll?
Illinois just wasted millions on defective Chinese goods. CTL, the problem you face is that the masks don’t prevent Trump Derangement syndrome. I find it amazing how in your world China goes uncriticized while you can’t pass you any opportunity to slam Trump. Must be something in your compound walls
Milhouse, you just choose not to believe it. In a 2015 NYS Dept of Health press release, it was called the NYS Taskforce on Life: Update on Ventilator Allocation Guidelines.
Its purpose was to ” to provide an ethical, clinical and legal framework to help healthcare providers” to make the difficult decisions in the event of a pandemic and there are insufficient ventilators to treat everyone who needs one.
Keep this in mind next time Gov Cuomo complains about lack of respirators and beds.
In 2015 he was informed that the State had only 2000 respirators on hand when the recommended level ( in the event if a pandemic) was 16000. Instead of buying them, he instead asked his Health Commissioner, Howard Zucker, to create a protocol to in effect determine who shall ( live ) get one and who shall ( die ) not get one.
At the same time he created the Medicaid Redesign Team. Its purpose included saving money by closing/reducing hospitals with too many empty beds ( i.e Long Beach Med Ctr, Long Island College Hospital, St Vincent’s). It’s hard to criticize this because it’s very expensive to staff empty beds because you might have a pandemic
Ubequitin, of course we need studies. But,as President Trump responded to yet another asinine CNN question, the sickest patients don’t have the luxury of time. He said Hydro is not a wonder drug but the early test results are promising and if a patient is dying,what is the risk in prescribing the drug? Unlike a vaccine which he said requires extensive testing before use so that you’re not killing healthy people, Hydro has decades of use demonstrating it is not a lethal drug.April 1, 2020 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm in reply to: How Corona Taught Klal Yisroel to Make Small Simchas #1845713
Big weddings are a relatively recent phenomenon. The old Washington Hotel used to be a popular wedding venue when weddings rarely exceeded 200 people. Same for the Aperion Manor. Regardless of the number of invitees, it is senseless to go into debt.
Joseph, only someone who isn’t poor could repeat that zayde and bubbe bubbe maysa. In his biography, Nathan Handweker ( of Nathan’s fame ) said that his family ( as well as many others ,) in Galicia was so poor that he could not remember a day that he wasn’t hungry. That was why he went into the food business when he came to the US. When you don’t have a kopek and don’t know how the rent will be paid, or food bought, you can’t be happyMarch 19, 2020 4:43 pm at 4:43 pm in reply to: How Corona Taught Klal Yisroel to Make Small Simchas #1841354
Joseph, the shtetl did that because the jews were so poor they couldn’t afford chicken twice in one week.
Joseph, they might not have died but they can transmit the virus to parents and grandparents. Two adolescents in Rhode Island tested positive yesterday
So, a shul in the Five Towns decided to stay open .It now develops that a mispallel who was sick came, has tested positive and has subjected the rest of the minyan to quarantine . Abba, how do you stop an infected individual from attending your minyan because it’s zaydes yarzeit? Can’t happen? Last week a selfish frum guy flew to Florida on Jet Blue even though he had just been tested ( and thus should have self quarantined until he got the results). He found out he was positive and then , because he felt he had to daven with a minyan, went home and went to shul. How do you stop someone like him out of your minyan?
GH, but nobody asked for you to play nanny. As i stated before, the only opinions that counted were those of the rabbonim, physicians and health officials, not yours. Believe it or not, adults can , and did, make their own cheshbonim and didn’t need your repeated opinion.
Joseph, what I believe he is saying that were it not for vaccines for measles, polio etc this is what we’d be going thru routinely
Meir g, you are incorrect. Nassau and Suffolk counties have shut down all schools. both public and private
ABBA S, you might not realize you are infected. The whole idea is to stop the transmission. While you might not realize you are sick you’re infecting others, including the elderly.
Restaurants are allowed to be open for takeout only. The idea is to prevent gathering of people
Shuls in Nassau County on Long Island ( Cedarhurst, West Hempstead , Oceanside, Great Neck and most, but not all in Woodmere, Hewlett, Lawrence and Inwood) were closed indefinitely as of this past Friday. This action was taken in consultation with gedolim and Rabbi Aaron Glatt. Rabbi Glatt, in addition to being a talmid chochom in his own right is also the chief of medicine and infectious disease at Mount Sinai South Shore Hospital in Oceanside.
GH, I get it. You don’t like hotel programs and you’re seizing on the virus as a reason to persuade people to stay home.
Why does it bother you so much if people still plan on going?
They are adults capable of coming to their own decisions without your input. So I respectfully suggest that you
I find the constantly repeating goyish music streams amusing. Virtually all of Jewish music is borrowed from the cultures we’ve lived in over the centuries. Most of us weren’t alive in the 1800’s so we aren’t aware of the goyish, Eastern European origins of “true Jewish” music. It’s also why Bukharin, Iranian ,Yeminite and Iraqi Jewish music sounds nothing like Litvak or Chassidish music
Rational, their knowledge of English doesn’t seem to help them with the nuances of American politics either
CTL, in 1980 and 198 presidential elections, Sanders endorsed and campaigned for the Socialist Workers Party. It is a Communist party that supported Trotsky against Stalin and advocated for a replication in the US of the Russian Revolution
Flavorings can be purchased from several companies, not just Sodastream
This only applies when the water source is a reservoir. Water from underground aquifers don’t have a problem.
There is a very interesting OP-ed in today’s Wall Street Journal. It posits that much of Trump’s behaviour are carefully planned MacGuffins. A Macguffin is a plot device, used often by Alfred Hitchcock, inserted into a movie/play to distract the viewer from what was actually going on.
For example, the day before Trump changed the asylum policy for immigrants, he triggered the media and the Democrats with some ridiculous tweets. They were so busy reacting that the policy change announcement was virtually ignored. They are so busy being triggered that Trump’s appointment of 189 judges and repeal of countless bureaucratic regulations have gone under the radar and unnoticed and unreported.