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  • in reply to: anti-semitism #1195300
    Avi K
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    Rav Meir Simcha said that if Jews think that Berlin is their Jerusalem the goyim will inform them that it is not. The same goes for Williamsburg, Boro Park, Teaneck, Monsey, etc.

    in reply to: The Real Number 1 Anti-Semite in the US #1193653
    Avi K
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    Health,

    1. I dispute your assertion that most gedolim were against the medina.

    2. Duke and his ilk will condemn us no matter what. If we keep to ourselves we are clannish and don’t care about the country. If we do not we are trying to take over.

    Yehudayona, while there were problems in the absorption of the Eidot HaMizrach, many do to the economic facts of the time,they were immediately given citizenship and equal rights.Contrast this with the fact that Arab refugees are kept in squalor by Arab governments. Even the US does not allow an immigrant to become a citizen until he has lived there continuously for five years, passes a citizenship test and pledges exclusive allegiance to the US and his readiness to take up arms to defend it if called. Even then he cannot become President even if he grew up in the US.

    in reply to: The Real Number 1 Anti-Semite in the US #1193640
    Avi K
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    Yehudayona, I do not believe anything negative said by spouses about each other during divorce proceedings unless there is corroboration – and here there is none. In fact, those who worked with him, including Jews, say the opposite. Moreover, his record speaks for itself as I posted.

    As for his “look” maybe it his part of is anti-Establishment personality or maybe he just feels uncomfortable in more formal clothing.

    in reply to: The Real Number 1 Anti-Semite in the US #1193638
    Avi K
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    He is also supported by the self-hating Jew from VT.

    in reply to: Orthodox Jews Overwhelmingly Voted for Trump #1193623
    Avi K
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    Zahavasdad, even if you make income outside the US and live outside the US you must report (assuming that you make more than the minimum that requires reporting) although there is a very high deduction for earned income and tax treaties with some countries (Israel is one of them) provide for protection against double taxation. Whether or not you live in the US there are reporting requirements for financial accounts if the total in foreign accounts is at least $10K. The Republicans have called for repealing both. BTW, these requirements also apply to green card holders.

    On the other hand, there are advantages to ex-pats who give their children US citizenship as child care aid and scholarships are available, sometimes even if they are studying abroad. In addition, if someone renounces his citizenship he will not be able to receive Social Security benefits while living abroad.

    For practical advice ask your local tax consultant or accountant.

    in reply to: "Aliyah day" is a Zionist scam #1192309
    Avi K
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    Just out of curiosity, is Internet usage legal in Kiryat Joel?

    in reply to: Chief Anti-Semite of the US #1194716
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    in reply to: "Aliyah day" is a Zionist scam #1192299
    Avi K
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    KJ,

    1. According to both Rav Kook and Rav Soloveichik there are two aspects to are Israeliteness (I am deliberately not using “nationhood” as Rav Saadia Gaon did not write in English but in Arabic and as I do not know Arabic I cannot comment on the translation). There is the religious aspect (Berit Chorev, which is dependent on choice) and the national aspect (the Berit ben haBeitarim, which is not dependant on choice).

    2. Why should Sereni have been embarassed? Rav Meir Simcha says that if a Jew thinks that Berlin (or Washington Hts. or Boro Park) is his Jerusalem the other nations will inform him that it is not.

    3. Do you omit the beracha asking Hashem to bring us back to EY?

    in reply to: Jews in the Trump administration #1210565
    Avi K
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    Yehudayona, if Jews will not be in his administration anti-Semites will say that Jews don’t want to be part of the country. We have to stop worrying about what anti-Semites will say and do what Hashem wants us to do – be a light unto the nations.

    Lightbrite, FYI. the Germans first identified as Saxons, Bavarians,etc. Even now Germany is a federal country like the US. The rest of your rant is sheer hysteria. Trump said what he wants to do? So does every other politician. Whom does he want to kill? No one. Meanwhile, the Democrats have been more or less taken over by the BDS and Black Lives mMatter anti-Semites.

    in reply to: Converting to Judaism, how do I explain to family about Xmas? #1193148
    Avi K
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    Actually the Gemara mentions three separate Yeshus.

    1. A certain Yeshu ben Pandera (Sanhedrin 67a and Avoda Zara 17a) was the son of Mary Magdalene (Miriam Magdalei Neshaya – Miriam the Women’s Hairstylist). He is apparently the source of the nickname Yushka Pundrick. As she was the wife of Pappus ben Yehuda (Gittin 90a) this Yeshu must have lived around the time of the Bar Kochba rebellion (see Berachot 61b) – a century after Pilate.

    2. There was also a Yeshu haNotzri who was a talmid of Yehoshua ben Perachia and fled with him when Yannai was slaughtering the chachamim (Sanhedrin 107b). This was over a century before Pilate.

    As for maintaining good relations with your family you might want to read “After the Return” by Rabbi Mordechai Becher (full disclosure: I did not read the book so I cannot comment on its content).

    3. Yaakov the Heretic quoted Yeshu to Rabbi Eliezer (Avodah Zarah, 16b-17a). As Rabbi Eleizer lived around the time of the Churban this Yeshu could have lived during the time of Pilate assuming that Yaakov the Heretic was already an elderly man when he quoted him.

    Regarding the origin of Xmas you can hear a shiur on the subject by Rabbi Lawrence Kelemen on-line.

    in reply to: TVs in religious households #1191377
    Avi K
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    I heard of a case where a rosh yeshiva was given a heter as his elderly shut-in father was living with him.

    in reply to: Converting to Judaism, how do I explain to family about Xmas? #1193131
    Avi K
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    Joseph, what about hakarat tov, kiddush Hashem and avoiding chillul hashem? In fact, Rav Yaakov Ariel was asked about aveilut by the son of a gentile father and Jewish mother. The father agreed to bring him up as a Jew and even took him to Torah lessons. Rav Ariel ruled that the son should express his sorrow by doing keria and should say Kaddish as his father certainly merited a place in Olam HaBa.

    in reply to: If Trump becomes president, I'm moving to Canada… #1190639
    Avi K
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    CTl, Hillary is definitely a public figure so the standard for a libel suit is very high. She must prove knowledge of falsity or reckless disregard for the truth. Of course, she must also prove that she was damaged in some way by the statement. As for the sense in which Health used “criminal”, as you admit that he is a layman it should be fairly obviously that he used the term in laymen’s language.

    in reply to: If Trump becomes president, I'm moving to Canada… #1190636
    Avi K
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    Softwords, to be a neder he must have meant and said it in the form of a neder (e.g. konem li beiti b’Artzit HaBrit”). It might have been a shevua exceptthat that also needs spech. Writing does not count (http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14656&st=&pgnum=40). Even if it did, it might be enough to go for thirty days as that is the amount of time he would have to stay before being required to put up a mezzuzah.

    Time, besides, there is a requirement to end every sentence with “eh”.

    in reply to: "Not to be taken literally" #1191578
    Avi K
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    Lilmod,

    1. OK. A halachic statement can be metaphoric.

    2. The way it is told is not that she had a tail in a metaphoric sense

    Froggie, Rambam says some very sharp things about people who think that the aggadatot a literal and believe the literal meanings. Do you also think that Moshe was ten amot (approx. five meters) tall and that Og was similarly large? “John Wass, a specialist in acromegalic gigantism at the University of Oxford, reckons it would be impressive to survive for long if you grew taller than 9ft.

    First, high blood pressure in the legs, caused by the sheer volume of blood in the arteries, can burst blood vessels and cause varicose ulcers. An infection of just such an ulcer eventually killed Wadlow.

    With modern antibiotics, ulcers are less of an issue now, and most people with acromegalic gigantism eventually die because of complications from heart problems. “Keeping the blood going round such an enormous circulation becomes a huge strain for the heart,” says Wass.” (from the Guardian).

    Do you believe that Yehoshua literally made the Sun stand still (really the Earth as it is the one that rotates)? Everything not firmly connected to the bedrock would have been thrown off by the centrifugal force.

    in reply to: prayers for governments #1219384
    Avi K
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    Akuperma, if one wants a clean house, transportation or lawn care and cannot do it oneself then yes, pray for their welfare – and for them to do good jobs. In a republic or constitutional monarchy, Yirmiahu’s dictum still applies as the prayer is for country in general. If Rav Kook’s ruling (Mishpat Cohen 144) that any leadership the people accept has the din of melech also applies to mixed countries then so would that of Rabbi Chanina Segan haCohanim. In any case, one can daven to vote for the right people and not be disappointed. In the final analysis, democratic countries are representative democracies not direct democracies.

    in reply to: prayers for governments #1219379
    Avi K
    Participant

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    in reply to: "Not to be taken literally" #1191573
    Avi K
    Participant

    Lilmod, according to dictionary.com the word “metaphorically” means

    2.something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.

    How is that different than how “we” mean it? You are contradicting yourself in the same sentence when you write “Everything really happened the way it is told, it just happened on a deeper metaphysical sense”. The way it is told is the literal meaning.

    BTW, even Halacha can be metaphoric. The classic example is an eye for an eye. It means monetary compensation and not lex talionis.

    in reply to: "Not to be taken literally" #1191571
    Avi K
    Participant

    Rambam says in his introduction to Perek Chelek that the aggadot are all metaphoric. I do not take literally statements Chazal make about science which do not pertain to halachot. First of all, I do not think that they cared about a scientific theory if there was no nafka mina (in fact, the Baal haTanya opposes studying it where not needed for parnassa or to clarify one’s learning). Secondly, why would Ravina and Rav Ashi include purely scientific speculations in the Gemara? Thirdly, many things that are written about science are not literally correct.

    Why did they do this? I once read a conjecture that they were making political statements that could not be expressed explicitly. It could also be that they were conveying deep kabbalistic ideas that had to be hidden from all but the most advanced. It could also be that they wanted to keep some things baal peh. In fact, I heard that when Rav Miller taught “Ein Yaakov” he would sometimes skip a portion and explain that he did not have a tradition for it.

    in reply to: desensitized to cursing #1189367
    Avi K
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    Scared, who says? All words in languages other than Lashon haKodesh are simply sounds given meanings by common society (Chatam Sofer).

    in reply to: Introverted and Yiddishkeit #1191079
    Avi K
    Participant

    According to Dr. Miriam Adahan an introvert is not necessarily someone who prefers to be alone although he can be alone without feeling lonely. Rather, an introvert cannot stand large groups but prefers small groups of long-time acquaintances. I myself am in this category.

    Of course, there are degrees of introversion as with anything else. From your question, it seems to me that you are not extremely introverted (otherwise you would not be asking it). IMHO, you should seek a small, accepting group/shul.

    in reply to: desensitized to cursing #1189360
    Avi K
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    Zahavasdad, words often change their meanings. I wonder how city dwellers would feel if they knew that the word “villain” comes from “ville” (French for “city”). More to the point, there are words which are normative in one language but nibul peh in another. I knew a Russian speaker who would not use the Hebrew term for “post-dated check” because it is similar a word that is nibul peh in Russian.

    Lightbrite, according to Prof. Google there are three definitions of “aristocratic”:

    1. of or relating to the aristocracy.

    2. distinguished in manners or bearing.

    3. grand; stylish.

    Scared, the Gemara (Shabbat 33a) says that because of bad language many troubles and evil decree come and young anti-Semitic men (lashon sagi nahor) die before their time. The power of speech distinguishes us from the animals and thus comes from the tzelem Elokim. One who uses bad language sullies his neshama.

    in reply to: Using pejoratives #1188377
    Avi K
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    Flatbusher, I heard about someone who found “Non-Jew” offensive because she did not want to be described according to what she is not. How about “Noahide”? That will really send people to their dictionaries.

    in reply to: desensitized to cursing #1189351
    Avi K
    Participant

    Donald Trump is not aristocratic. He has loads of money. There is a difference. How about frum Jews who use pejoratives like “shvartze” and “shiksa” (which comes from “shaketz”)?

    in reply to: There Is No Eruv In Flatbush / Marine Park! #1188284
    Avi K
    Participant

    A gentile told his Jewish neighbor that he rested completely on Shabbat. The Jew commented that a gentile is not allowed to keep Shabbat. “Don’t worry. I carry my siddur to shul”. “But there is an eruv”. “You hold by that eruv?”

    in reply to: Rav Avigdor Miller #1187985
    Avi K
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    Lilmod, I would add that one must specify what type of movies. Disney, Westerns,

    SciFi, classics (the original version of “Twelve Angry Men” does not have one woman – IMHO it is also a very interesting character study of people from different walks of life and how they interact when confined together)?

    in reply to: What do women do in Gan Eden? #1189827
    Avi K
    Participant

    Lilmod, instead of tow people being miserable four can be happy.

    in reply to: What do women do in Gan Eden? #1189825
    Avi K
    Participant

    Joseph, that question very much bothered a man who had a lousy first marriage but a great second marriage. He asked Rav Avraham Twersky for a pesak but I do not remember the answer. I suppose it would depend on which was the actual zivug rishon (according to the Zohar it could be the second). I would also imagine that she would not go to a man who divorced her as he gave a get keritut.

    in reply to: How can a woman get schar for learning Torah? #1196068
    Avi K
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    A woman who learns gets sechar although not as much as a man (Rambam, Hilchot Talmud Torah 1,13). This apparently is a case of people getting sechar for doing mitzvot in which they are not obligated (Baba Kama 87a). I would imagine that her sechar for learning those halachot which she must keep (most of Orech Chaim and Yoreh Deah and all of Choshen Mishpat) would be the same as a man’s as she is obligated to learn them.

    in reply to: Gut Kvitel #1187604
    Avi K
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    Let the dead language rest in pieces (the various and sundry dialects). ???? ???

    Avi K
    Participant

    Lilmod, she can by it herself and rely on Rambam’s opinion (http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14276&st=&pgnum=265) that she has her own obligation of simcha. The Shaagat Arieh, in teshuva 65 (http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1832&st=&pgnum=119), says that anything that gladdens a person is part of the mitzva (he also rules that a woman has her own mitzva).

    in reply to: Arba Minim in Jerusalem – Where to Buy? #1186894
    Avi K
    Participant

    Gofish, I hope that they gave them to you as a gift on condition that you return them. Otherwise you were not yotze on the first day.

    in reply to: Arba Minim in Jerusalem – Where to Buy? #1186888
    Avi K
    Participant

    You can buy in the shuk area as well as Geula and Mea Shearim. I spent 111 shekels including a set of aravot for each day (6 shekels per set) but that was from a family on my settlement so you might have to pay a little more.

    in reply to: Hiddurim in choosing an esrog #1187179
    Avi K
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    Golfer, buying a kosher etrog and using the rest to buy your wife a nice dress is a segula for a happy marriage. Pushing expensive etrogim is a segula for parnassa if you sell them.

    in reply to: How much do you spend on your lulav and esrog? #1187644
    Avi K
    Participant

    I bought all of them packaged with hechsherim from people in my community so I did not spend more than a few minutes. All together (I bought six sets of aravot as they dry out quickly) I paid NIS 111 (a bit less than $30).

    in reply to: Do you think Jewish men should start practicing polygamy again? #1190855
    Avi K
    Participant

    Winnie, as a matter of fact, there is a certain community that wants to eliminate the cherem as today a family cannot live on only one salary.

    in reply to: Do you think Jewish men should start practicing polygamy again? #1190838
    Avi K
    Participant

    That also means multiple mothers-in-law. LOL

    in reply to: Gmar Chasima Tova to one and all! #1185922
    Avi K
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    in reply to: Why not Johnson-Weld (Libertarian candidates for President) #1189279
    Avi K
    Participant

    Johnson is a flake. Moreover, he supports legislation that will force people to participate in toeva weddings (he explicitly said that a Jewish baker should be forced to bake a cake for a Nazi event).

    in reply to: Halacha: Process #1185609
    Avi K
    Participant

    Time,

    The key word is “search”. The Maharal says that the difference between emet and emet l’amituta is that being that the bet din has permission to pasken it’s pesak is truth. What is seen in Shemayim is emet l’amituta. As the dayanim only have what their eyes see it may be different.

    I hate to burst your bubble but poskim are human, not computers and not demigods. They have hashkafot and these hashkafot will affect the pesak. This is not a difficulty if it follows logically from the hashkafa, On the contrary, the Gemara in many places explains the opinion of a Tanna or Amora based on a general rule by which he holds (e.g. does a person put himself into a doubt, does a person care if his wife is dragged into court, etc.). You yourself immediately backtrack and say “That doesn’t mean it stakes place in a vacuum or an Ivory Tower”. The pesak is not subverted. It follows logically from the posek’s sheeta. Thus eilu v’eilu divrei Elokim chaim.

    Regarding how one becomes a gadol, that is simply being on the first tier of poskim. This comes about when the posek is recognized by the Torah world as a gadol. It is a matter of consensus not applying for a position or being elected.

    As for your statement “This says more about the writer,than…”, to whom are you referring? If to me regarding what I posted I thank you for complimenting me on my insights.

    in reply to: Zionism, Apikorsos? #1185529
    Avi K
    Participant

    TY, lilmod ulelamaid. Gemar chatima tova.

    in reply to: Zionism, Apikorsos? #1185527
    Avi K
    Participant

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    in reply to: Political correctness is a Reflublican Myth #1184744
    Avi K
    Participant

    Actually the term is over 200 years old although in different contexts. In the 18th century, the term “politically correct” occurs in the case of Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. (2 Dall.) 419 (1793). Associate Justice James Wilson, of the U.S. Supreme Court comments: “The states, rather than the People, for whose sakes the States exist, are frequently the objects which attract and arrest our principal attention… Sentiments and expressions of this inaccurate kind prevail in our common, even in our convivial, language. Is a toast asked? ‘The United States’, instead of the ‘People of the United States’, is the toast given. This is not politically correct.” (Wikipedia)

    In fact, each group has its political correctness. This is why in shuls that identify with certain factions not only is the prayer for the State of Israel omitted but even the misheberach for the soldiers.

    in reply to: Zionism, Apikorsos? #1185519
    Avi K
    Participant

    Joseph, how is it that you are always wrong? The oaths are not found anywhere in he codes. Thus, they are not halacha. If they were used they were used to assuage gentile authorities who were very nervous about possible rebellions (in fact, the Czarist governemt outlawed the Zionist movement until it was convinced that it was an emigration movement and the Netziv felt constrained to write in the mitzva to appoint a king that different countries need different forms of government rather than different generations even though the mitzva clearly only applies to Am Yisrael in EY).

    In any case, I have already posted several times why they no longer apply even if they once did. I will repeat the main points to jog your memory.

    1. The gentiles violated their part of the bargain. Certainly the pogroms and Holocaust, both of which were government instigated, constitute persecuting us too much – and both occurred after Rav Kalischer.

    2. The other nations gave us permission at the San Remo Conference so it is not rebellion (Rav Meir Simcha).

    3. Hashem called on several occasions (Rav Soloveichik).

    4. They were only for 1,000 years (Rav Chaim Vital).

    So far as this Karaite is concerned, so what? The Reform movement was against Zionism until the establishment of the state and then a splinter group that called itself the American Council for Judaism continued to scream. So if you put in the company of a Karaite I will put you in the company of Reformers.

    in reply to: Zionism, Apikorsos? #1185505
    Avi K
    Participant

    Softwords,

    1. That is not what Rav Moshe said. He was asked by a secular reporter how he became accepted as a gadol and he replied that people asked him questions and liked his answers. They asked more questions and he became known. In fact, while sometimes gedolim tell avereichim to go into the rabbanut (e.g. the Chofetz Chaim with Rav Kook) once they start paskening a consensus develops in the Torah world. Sometimes it happens “by accident”. After Rav Shlomo Ganzfried got married he opened a liquor business (this was a common Jewish business then and there). While he was waiting for customers he learned and wrote. Customers never came and he was more or less compelled to agree to be a the rav of a city.

    2. Rav Kook’s positions on Zionism were more from hashkafic and kabbalistic perspectives. Perhaps that is why non-Zionists are quite willing to cite his halachic opinions.

    3. While often a pesak is purely halachic (e.g. opening bottles on Shabbat) it is often the result of hashkafa. For example, those who are meikal about Ashkenazim eating in Sephardi homes during Pesach feel that the unity of a mixed community is more important. Those who are machmir feel that communities should be separate (even to the extent of ethnic discrimination in school admissions).

    4. Some who call it apikorsut are using the traditional Jewish tool of exaggerated language (lashon guzma). In fact, once Rav Aahron Kotler referred to a certain rav as an am ha’aretz. The Satmar rebbe was very upset until someone said “The rav says ‘am haaretz’ like the rebbe says ‘apikoros'”.

    in reply to: Zionism, Apikorsos? #1185500
    Avi K
    Participant

    Truth (sagi naor),

    1. TY for calling my targets easy.

    2. Obviously none of the RZ gedolim (Rav Tzvi Yehuda, Rav Soloveichik, Rav Herzog, Rav Avrahma Shapira, Rav Mordechai Eliahu, etc.) agreed with the SR. In fact, he himself admitted that he wasa daat yachid.

    Joseph,

    1. Reish Lakish says that Hashem hates those who did not go to EY en masse (Yuma 9b).

    2. The Pnei Yehoshua on Ketubot says that if the gentiles persecute us too much they will cause Hashem to bring aboutthe Geula early.

    3. R. Avraham Galante lived in Tzefat so apparently he was not opposed to aliya. I do not know what the comment about asking the “shem hameforash” means. Did they have nevua in Shmutz laAretz? Perhaps they should have used it to transport themselves to EY. The Gra wanted to use it to free Avraham ben Avraham so apparently he did not consider it rebellion. Besides, if it is rebellion to cancel gezerot shmad then it is rebellion to defy them in any way.

    in reply to: Zionism, Apikorsos? #1185496
    Avi K
    Participant

    MLK,

    1. They are not paskened in any of the codes.

    2. Rav Chaim Vital says in his introduction to Sefer Etz Chaim that they were only for 1,000 years.

    3. The pasuk quoted refers to the klei hamikdash not to the people.

    4. Rav Meir Simcha says that the San Remo Conference cancelled them as now we have permission from the other nations.

    5. Rav Soloveick says in “Kol Dodi Dofek” that Hashem has called several times.

    5. Tgey violated their oath on several occasions (Crusades, Khmielnitzki massacres, pogroms, Petlura massacres, Holocaust). Thus, the deal is off (Sotah 10a with Rashi d”h huchal shevuato shel Avimelech and Shulchan Aruch YD 236,6).

    Joseph, what makes you think that you can give grades to gedolim? Are you a navi? Are you saying “My gadol is bigger than your gadol. YA ya ya ya ya”?

    in reply to: Zionism, Apikorsos? #1185485
    Avi K
    Participant

    Softwords,

    1. Your response makes no sense to me. Gedolim do not retire. They pasken until they die. While I would certainly expect a young oncologist to recommend an older and more experienced doctor for a difficult operation when several are more or less on the same level I would not expect one to send me to another. Chazal pointed out that even great sages do not see when they are wrong in a monetary dispute. However, just as the young doctor will recommend his teacher so too will a rav recommend his rav.

    2. My understanding is that “daat Torah” means that gedolim have either a mystical power (if they are Chassidim) or a superior analytical power (if they are Litvaks) to decide questions which are not halachic. For example, a few years ago a construction company in Israel went bankrupt after the owner absconded to Europe. Many Chareidi families lost everything because their rabbanim advised them to accept the offer of a discount on the apartments under construction in lieu of the bank guarantees that are accepted business practice. Of course, this is nothing compared to the error made in advising Jews not to leave Europe when it was still possible as there would be nothing more than some old-time discrimination. I do not believe in this concept. Of course, if a rav is also an expert in some secular field (e.g. Rav Hutner’s talmid muvchak Rabbi Prof. Israel Kirzner is a renowned economist – and BTW he studied Economics with Ludwig von Mises, who was an anti-religious Jew) that is something else. But then he is speaking as a secular expert and not a rav.

    in reply to: Zionism, Apikorsos? #1185481
    Avi K
    Participant

    AY,

    1. There are generally several orthopedic surgeons who are considered top level. I personally would not ask an OS because he would be hard put not to say himself. Similarly, there are a number of rabbis who are known to be top level. Moreover, it often happens that one is more knowledgeable in one field and another more knowledeable in another fiels. Thus, we generally (but not always) pasken like Rav regarding prohibitions and Shmuel regarding monetary matters.

    2. There is no one RZ movement but a number of movements that have support for the state in common. The fact of the matter is that all agreed on the concept of gedolei hador but they coalesced around different gedolim. The two main figures of the last century have been Rav Soloveichik and Rav Kook (and his son Rav Tzvi Yehuda who was his continuation). Even if some faction denied the concept that does not mean that it did not exist and that there were not those who supported Zionist goals even when they opposed some aspects. A tool does not have to recognize the existence of the artisan in order to be a tool.

    3. Regarding consulting rabbanim on political matters, the fact of the matter is that there have always been rabbanim in the various incarnations of the RZ political party. However, as Rav Chaim David HaLevi said, the Torah does not set forth which political or economic system should be adopted (in fact, the Netziv, in “HeEmek Devar” on the mitzva to appoint a king says that the people decide the former). it sets forth goals and parameters. The professionals in various fields then have to break their heads and figure out how best to attain those goals. To what may that be compared? A rav tells you if you can drive on Shabbat in a certain situation but he does not recommend which model car.

    4. The whole concept of daat Torah did not start until the advent of the Chassidic movement. It then trickled into the Yeshivish sector with a slight switch – instead of possessing supernatural powers the rav has superior wisdom. If the gedolei hador also had wide advanced secular knowledge that would be true but they do not and I doubt very much if that is humanly possible. In fact, neither Rav Kook nor Rav Soloveichik would make personal decisions for their talmidim. They would merely set forth the alternatives and their ramifications and leave the person with the responsibility for making a decision (much to the consternation of those who wanted someone else to blame for a mistake).

    in reply to: PBA has flown the coop #1184097
    Avi K
    Participant

    Gofish, I do not see the irony. I did not comment on all Chareidim or MOs. “There are” only means that some are like that.

    Popa, were your RY’s objections halachic (some claim that there is a problem of asmachta) or hashkafic (some say that one should not go into marriage thinking about divorce)?

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