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Haha melbournian! Are there no chabadniks near you down in Australia or something? at the rate of ignorance and downright stupidity that the yeshivish world is running on, the future of Chabad’s image doesn’t look too bright…..
“some of the chabad rabaim did sleep in the sukkah”
“I’m sure many did; until the last lubavitcher rebbe, no one said that the mitzvah doesn’t apply at all”
Oy vey, what has the yeshivishe world come to?!
Before you know it, they’ll be claiming that the Rebbes of Chabad learnt Daf Yomi.
I would not consider myself “newish” over here, although I may not be as OG as you, I’ve definitely been around here long enough to see the amount of anti-Chabad propaganda spewed forth on Coffeeroom by many individuals such as Yeshivishrockstar, Icemelter, and Warrior (and apparently now we have a new one) to name a few who have gotten away with it without any affront to their credibility whatsoever.
Now, of course I would generally shy away from direct insults and aggressive arguing, especially only a few days after Rosh Hashana and YK, but when the subject of the debate is such that has done so himself, and on a much worse level, to organizations and individuals, then I can assume that he’s not the type to get offended when someone else does the same thing to him. If I’ve indeed insulted anyone, then I wholeheartedly apologize.
On my part, after having seen the amount of hate over here, generally motivated by ignorance, I find it hard not to respond myself. If I only allow these factually incorrect statements to remain permanently on cyberspace without any head-on rebuttal, than this could cause a lot of damage in the long run for any subsequent visitors to the site.
Whoa. After that whole senseless tirade you just put up over there, it’s quite difficult to resist the need to address your claims, however laughable and ridiculous they may be. Who knows? Perhaps an innocent YW user seeking information will unwittingly stumble upon your false statements and, being none the wiser, accept them as fact.
“is such an idea stated specifically in the miteler rebbe’s(or those who came after him) writings?”
Yes, it is. See for example Sefer Hasichos 5699, sicha for 1st night of sukkos. See also Likkutei Sichos vol. 29 p. 211. this statement was documented by the Rebbe Rayatz and the Rebbe in their respective sefarim.
“Rav chaim volozhiner was not “close” with chabad, or any other chasidim. He worked together with the baal hatanya briefly on klal matters. ”
Rav Chaim was, in fact, extremely close with the Rebbes of Chabad, met with them on several occasions, and enjoyed regular correspondence with them as well, All this is well documented and needs no reiteration over here, or anywhere for that matter. R’ itchele volozhin traveled to Petersburg with the Mitteler Rebbe and signed kol kores with him on various communal matters as is also well documented. Likewise, your statement that R’ Chaim was not proficient in Tanya and Chabad teachings is nothing short of absurd, and is disputed by numerous historical accounts which I do not have the patience to detail right here, right now.
“To say that rav Moshe feinstein and rav hutner were “close” with the lubavitcher rebbe is also false.”
Oh really?! Were you aware that both of those individuals met with the Rebbe on numerous occasions, corresponded with them on matters ranging from spiritual or otherwise communal matters, down to mundane birthday Mazal Tov’s and brachos, and spoke highly effusively of one another both to each other as well as to their respective followers? Did you know that the Rebbe would direct many halachic questions submitted to him to R’ Moshe, and that R’ Moshe once requested the Rebbe to send him a pair of Rabeinu Tam’s tefillin which the Rebbe did? Did you know that R’ Moshe attended a Chasuna that the Rebbe officiated at, and used the opportunity to ask the Rebbe a shaila in Gemara which the Rebbe answered? On R’ Hutner: did you know that R’ Hutner corresponded with the Rebbe more than any other Rosh Yeshiva of his time, and that his dozens of letters to the Rebbe are all available for viewing throughout 25 volumes of Igros Kodesh?? And did you know that Rav Hutner is documented by his followers as having said shortly before his death that “the Rebbe is the tzadik hador – most righteous man of his generation”??
More on R’ Moshe’s and rav Hutner’s warm relationship with the Rebbe is extensively documented in Chaim Dalfin’s books ‘Rav Moshe and the Rebbe’ and ‘Rav Hutner and the Rebbe’ both of which are available on Amazon.
In conclusion, avirdeara, your evil rhetoric and factually incorrect statements are the direct reason for all antagonism and animosity that currently exists between the Chabad and Litvish communities. All hate and hostility is the product of sheer ignorance and misinformation the likes of which you’ve just presented in that four post diatribe.
You’re not just ignorant; you’re misinformed. To say that the Chabad Rebbes and their hundreds of thousands of Chassidim did not sleep in the Sukka due to the Russian cold is just preposterous.
Don’t you know the Miteler Rebbe’s popular saying “Vi ken ich shlufen in makiffim d’bina – How can I sleep in the lofty spiritual levels of Makifim D’bina?”. And don’t you know that this was the reason that the Chabad Rebbes and their respective Chassidim all refrained from sleeping in the sukkah, all to to the complete silence of every Gadol around at the time? Have you bothered, at least once, to read up on the subject in Chabad texts or asked about it from Chabadniks before concocting your own narrative?
It would certainly due you well to watch the dialogue between the Rebbe and R’ Tzvi Kahana during Sunday dollars, available to view on RebbeDrive or Youtube, where the Rebbe effectively removes all doubt on the matter. This is Chabad’s (and Belz’s) established minhag. It’s been around since the early 1800s. Not ONE gadol (until Rav Shach, of course) got up to say a word about it. NOBODY, not even CR participants, can contest this sacred minhag, and if they do, they should know that they’re contesting the Mitteler Rebbe, Tzemach Tzedek, Maharash, Rashab, Rayatz, the Rebbe, who all refrained from eating in the sukkah, and instructed their chassidim to do likewise, not because of weather considerations (!), but due to their holy kabbalistic intentions backed up with the proper halachic support presented at great length in Likkutei Sichos and other sources.
dealie: “that’s true chabad doesn’t sleep in the sukkah and if you ask them how it makes sense with Halacha they don’t really have an answer and they say that their rebbi didn’t sleep the whole succos in order to avoid this problem. Which I don’t believe because the Gemara says its impossible to stay awake that long.”
You don’t quite seem like the type of guy that has spoken to enough Lubavitchers to be able to say that “they” don’t have an answer – something which I don’t find very believable considering that the Rebbe offered a long sicha as well as many letters on the subject. The only one who didn’t have an answer on this subject was Rabbi Tzvi Kahana, who was left wordless when the Rebbe launched on a 20 minute (!) disciplinary speech during sunday dollars about why Yidden ought to stop complaining about this minhag when the greatest Gedolei Yisroel from the times of the Mitteler Rebbe [1773-1827] who were close with Chabad, such as R’ Chaim and Itche Volozhin, said absolutely nothing of the matter although they were obviously fully aware of this minhag (which, by the way, is also prevalent in Belz as well as other circles).
And before you start quoting the medical statements from the Gemara, it would do you well to know that certain health related statements mentioned in Rambam and Gemara do not apply in a physical sense, due to the change in human nature. Ironically, the Rebbe has a long sicha on this idea which you wouldn’t regret studying.
PS. I don’t know if coffee or anything of the sort was around in the times of the gemara, but I may be wrong….
If you have not, as of yet, found the time to study Tanya in depth, then I would suggest you do so with the help of Reb Yoel Kahn’s shiurim which are available on the internet. Alternatively, you may use one of the many self-help Tanya books that have come out in recent years. Daunting indeed, but once you have learnt it along with the Rebbe’s explanations, many questions that you have had on Chabad philosophy will fade away. It’s a matter of patience and open-mindedness, something which many people lack, unfortunately.
Your questions on Chelek Eloka would seem quite valid and strong to the average observer, which is totally understandable considering the immense level of ignorance that most in the Litvish community possess whenever it comes to Chabad thought. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, however, and, instead of responding to you questions head on as I was initially tempted to do, I’ll just let you do the research yourself. After all no one educate you better than yourself at you age; It’s all about the willingness to learn and discover, something which no one else can provide for you.
I wish you luck that you one day realize the fallacy and absurdity of your questions – You won’t regret listening to me, and I won’t regret the resisting the urge to argue with you.
Wait, what did Biden do again?
Can you name a specific accomplishment, or are you only gonna rattle off his praises as you liberal parents have friends have taught you to do. You see, Dems tend to be very emotional people and get hyped over people whose views reflect their agenda even when those very people don’t do a THING for America, and, in fact, make things worse. Case in point in regards to our dear prez who no one likes (at least as the polls suggest), Joe Biden, the man who singlehandedly wreaked more havoc in our country in the last 6 months than all previous presidents combined (and still counting!).
You guys should prob have read Trump’s statement before making assumptions to be yored l’sof daato. And you definitely haven’t done so, as evidenced from your ignorance by saying “trump disagrees with you” or “at least trump agrees that biden was elected otherwise he wouldn’t ask him to resign”.
Well, your both wrong. Trump’s statement on twitter read as follows: ““It is time for Joe Biden to resign in disgrace for what he has allowed to happen to Afghanistan, along with the tremendous surge in COVID, the Border catastrophe, the destruction of energy independence, and our crippled economy. It shouldn’t be a big deal, because he wasn’t legitimately elected in the first place.”
So Trump acknowledged that Biden was never ‘legitimately’ elected, yet, at the same time, calls for his ‘resignation’ utilizing the term that would work according to the mainstream perspective, namely, that Biden was indeed legitimately elected. There is no stira minei ubei in the statement, and, in fact, I wholeheartedly agree with Trumps assertation that Biden has gotta go, especially considering that fact that his initial election was highly questionable to begin with, although I wouldn’t go so far as to state assuredly that his presidency was entirely illegitimate.
Kudos to the first ever posted topic on the Coffee Room forum, dated 2008.
The rules definitely seem to have been more lax in those days, considering this member’s rather offensive username. There also seems to have been a severe lack of participants considering that no one, in the last 12 years, has responded to this fellow’s desperate call for tznius regulations.
At any right, I am definitely on board with his/her assessment, although, frankly, it is quite interesting that nothing has changed in the last decade or so, as per this subject matter. Besides for perhaps the worse.
Orech din, you should educate yourself more
I would suggest that you use wikipedia to learn more history and enlighten yourself as to the nature of Palestinian funding. There is something called a Pat to Slay movement which offers incentives to those that kill Israelis. Every Palestinian incarcerated in israeli jails receives a stipend of $4,000, in 2016 alone, the PA spent over $160 million on supporting families of terrorists. This much I will tell you, the rest I will leave to you to research and find out for yourself. Ten l’echacham V’yachkem Od
Chassidus discusses the chakira which asks that if the world is physical and bound by the limitations of nature, then how could there be elements of infinite in it such as numbers that go on forever and space which goes on forever. I don’t remember the conclusions but it is a weighty topic. Everybody knows that when Moshiach comes, the Bli Gvul dimension of elokus will be invested in this physical world, a phenomenon which we can’t really understand without experiencing it ourselves.
It is possible, however, that some reflection of this idea can be found even now in regards to infinite in olam hazeh with numbers etc.
The Torah doesn’t mention it so it doesn’t exist?
Does that mean I don’t exist (because the Torah doesn’t mention me)?!
Does that mean that black holes, icebergs, volcanoes, electricity, and kangaroos don’t exist because the Torah doesn’t mention it?!
in 2019 alone YW posted 24 articles about peleg, and 12 about berland.
yasher koach, Pashut.
Perhaps you can also convince YW to take down the comment posted by ‘yeshivish rockstar2’ on July 16, 2019 which said: “The Lubavicher Rebbe is a mixedbag: He made tons of people frum and brought them closer to Hashem. However, he also ended up causing many yidden to believe in kefira.”
As well as the comment posted by ‘lerntmittayrah’ on March 28 2019, which said: “Please don’t tell me nobody davens to the Rebbe if the sicha from 1979 EXPLICITLY PERMITS IT AND SAYS THE 5TH IKKAR DOESN’T APPLY TO THE REBBE DUE TO ATZMUS. So either they hold it’s true or they hold the Rebbe said apikorsus there and forget about it, but then moshiach can’t be an apikoires.”
If you manage to get rid of those comments you’ll save even more people from gehinnom.
“Chabadniks put on Rashi tefillin first, then, near the end of Shachris, put on Rabbeinu Tam tefillin. I know this practice as encouraged by Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneersohn, but I do not know whether it started before he became Rebbe.”
Not near the end of Shachris – we do it at the very end after tehillim which we say after ach tzadikkim.
The minhag started after the Rebbe became rebbe in 1950. People would ask special permission to put on the rebbe sometimes gave, but only starting from married and onwards. then, in 1976, the Rebbe formally announced that everyone should start putting on rabenu tam starting from 2 months before BM by hanochos tefillin.
Could we please settle this matter once and for all?!
I happened upon this article a little too late, but it’s never too late to set the record straight…..
The Lubavitcher Rebbe made clear MULTIPLE times that every Chossid should believe his Rebbe is Moshiach. He said this on chol Hamoed sukkos 1987, and it it printed in Toras Menachem ( I provided a link to it before on hebrew books but YW took it down….) as well as in Sichos kodesh.
Additionally, the Rebbe made it clear the rebbe of every generation is the Nossi Hador and that the Nosi Hador is Moshiach. 1+1=2. He reiterated this theme countless times throughout 1991-2 and it is printed in Sefer Hasichos. Ten l’chochom v’yachkem od.
I’ve been complaining about YWN’s censorship standards (or, perhaps, double-standards) for 4 years already, so I’m surprised that people are only waking to the issue now.
At any rate, I still think that YW is a good platform to express yourself feelings and opinions. Keep up the good work.
I Hope Biden Gets Impeached.
You are an unambiguous liar, and i pray that Hashem gives you the inspiration to open your eyes and acknowledge reality.
You continue to spread misinformation by falsely claiming that Trump first condemned white supremacism on the Sean Hannity show, although he had done so several times prior.
Do you not consider the statement “Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans” which Trump said early august as a condemnation?!
I would like to copy and paste a comment from r’ eliezer on September 27 1:07 pm 2019:
“Impeachment happens when we elect a president without experience who communicates with foreign leaders like a busijess transaction.”
I rest my case….
Do you remember the good ol’ days in 2017 when you and I used to team up against CTlawyer and Gadolhadorah on the thread titled “I hope Trump gets impeached”?
those were the days….
I hate to break it to you but someone that stabs another with the intent of murdering him and that person subsequently dies – regardless of whether the doctors could’ve saved him – is charged with 1st degree murder. FACT
Besides, considering the fact that the presiding jurors where all black (another fact) and subsequently went home to celebrate, I wouldn’t be surprised if the presiding doctors who “missed” the wound were also black, and also went home to celebrate.
The next time I have a chance, I’ll ask a surgeon if it’s possible for a doctor to miss a stab wound. I would suspect not….. what do you think?
did you watch the youtube video from Ben Shapiro entitled “Twitter and facebook just ushered in the most dangerous political move”?
it got 500k views within 8 hours
My blood boils when I read your shameless lies (ignorance?) and outrageous accusations.
Trump has condemned white supremacism more than any other President in American history.
This past August he became the first President to declare the KKK a domestic terror organization.
At that same speech he released the following statement: “Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. I will also prosecute the KKK and Antifa as terrorist organizations and make lynching a national hate crime.”
How is that for a new dose of (true!) information?
Please don’t misquote the Tzemach Tzedek. According to him, a person is oiver 5 aveiros for every time he shaves. He is the most stringent authority in regards to this matter, and he was attacked by many poskim for his opinion.
When R’ Efraim Mol was told during the Yom Kippur war that there would be a gas attack, and he would have to shave his beard, the Rebbe told him that there would be no gas attack, and that at if the supervisors pressed him, he should tell them that the indian Sikhs wore their masks even without a beard. In the end, there was no gas attack and everything worked out fine.
Considering that Chabad.org is the safest, oldest, most famous, most popular Jewish website, I’m sure YW will have no problem with me posting the following link, although the official policy is that links are not accepted. Thanks
The title of this thread is accurate besides for the question mark at the end.
This thread is outdated. Trump recovered thanks to our tehillim, despite the fact that democrat news said he was in critical condition.
It was me that made the comment about R’ Kaminetzky, not DovitBT.
Conversely, It was Charliehall that made the comment about assimilated Jews, not you.
It is quite interesting how one Democrat steps in for another to say what he means. Why don’t you let him speak for himself?
Could you clarify what you meant by “we don’t go for bad after rov”?
Could you explain to me how 85% of Orthodox Jews are “assimilated” and “turned their back on the Torah” according to Ami Magazine’s new poll that was posted on YW?October 14, 2020 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm in reply to: Ex-White House physician Ronny Jackson ‘convinced’ Biden not fit for office #1910124
Hey, I tried opening a topic just like this and it was denied!
Common, you said that already. By the way his name is Kornbluh without a ‘t’.
Also, @Yechi refers to a CR participant from 8 years ago whose activity on YW consists of 1 comment. I have no connection with him.
Had it not been for that useless account, I could’ve simplified my username instead of having one that barely fits my computer screen.
DovidBT: “Only self hating Jews…. That would be a statement if you replace “trump” with “biden”
Haha. The statement would be even truer if you also added the words “morality” “humanity” “normalcy” “intelligence” after the word “Torah”
It’s also also entertaining to see Charliehall refer to R’ Shmuel Kamenetzky as a “self-hating assimilated Jew” and get away with it without the mods reprimanding him! I remember getting slammed by the mods for writing a comment on the Rebbe’s Shita regarding a certain topic that differed with that of another Gadol.
Perhaps the times have changed and the mods are slacking off or else they’ve been replaced….
Do you really think that I would care to perfectly imitate a racist comment?
I remember when we were in camp, the staff made the Nazi uniforms for the plays with the SS symbol backwards in order to make a “Shinui”. The kids, obviously, didn’t know the difference.
I wrote the basic gist of what he said and I don’t believe they were taken out of context. In fact, there really was no context because those quotes are pretty much taken from responses he gave to reporters questions’. The only one that was part of a speech was the infamous “poor kids” one which cannot be justified no matter what the context is. Frankly, none of biden’s speeches have contexts either, because they mostly consist of garbled flubs and a mixture of comments that don’t seem to have a common thread.
Regarding Byrd, that man was a racist — no question. in the 50s he apologized for his comments right before running for congress. No kidding….
Politifact, which is largely considered a reliable fact checker, stated that for Biden to refer to him as a “friend” is inappropriate and contrasted it with Trump’s association with Rosa Parks.
Regardless, Biden has shown himself to be contemptuous and arrogant when referring to minorities such as Indians and Blacks. Even the Democrats are ashamed of it.
“he wasn’t arrested because he wasn’t there yet”
You do not have to be present at the scene of the crime, in order to be arrested for incitement. Heshy also wasn’t present when mr. kornbluh was allegedly kicked and punched.
When al sharpton incited a mob to murder R’ Yankel Rosenbaum and beat yidden, he was not arrested. Witnesses were present when he yelled “kill Jews!”. Lo and behold al sharpton is currently good friends with Joe Biden and has met with him on several occasions. No surprise over there….
It is ironic that right after me posting about dems lying about the severity of the virus, you go on to do exactly that! No one is dying right now-at least not that I’ve realized.
As far as Crown Heights, I can tell you right now as a crownheightser that there are no empty seats in shuls. 770 is packed to capacity as always – you can head over yourself and check it out. Everyone is welcome to join, of course. Just don’t impose on us any of your liberal ideas, or else we’ll pelt you with esrogim!
“Listening to republicans gives them power as well”
Exactly. And we need their power. We don’t need dems exaggerating the virus in order to promote their own anti-Trump agenda. They are getting America unnecessarily hyped about an issue that is not as bad as they make it to be.
I couldn’t get yidden on mivtzoim to shake Lulav and Esrog even though I was wearing a mask and gloves! Because of lying dems, these yidden could not do a mitzvah! The world is going crazy about a virus that has no control outside according to all scientists.
The one who made a big deal about Trump taking off the mask was Chris Cuomo from CNN. Ironically, Chris was seen smoking a pipe in a restaurant shortly after having tested positive for Corona. When a passerby on the street asked him why he is not wearing a mask, he laughed him off and said that he didn’t know what he is talking about. It’s typical democrat hypocrisy
He obviously doesn’t hold of Rabbi Kamenetsky. After all, he’s the “Gadolhadorah”…..
Hadassah35: “He speaks…. He speaks…. He speaks….. He speaks….. We don’t like the way he speaks”
You see, this is the defining factor between Republicans and Democrats vis- a- vis their view of the President: Democrats focus on Trump’s speech, on his outward image, and the way he projects himself, the way he expresses himself. Republicans, by contrast, focus on Trumps ACTIONS, on Trumps actual DEEDS. They focus on all the amazing accomplishments he has done in the past four years. On all the Jobs he created, on all the efforts he has made to advance peace in the Middle East, and much more.
Nobody thinks Trump is a Mentch. Not even his closest aides. Nobody thinks he is perfect. But he has done for the American people (and also for the Jewish people – see my previous comment) than any president in the past has done. Trump doesn’t need our Hakaros Hatov; I don’t think he even wants it. He has been serving faithfully as our President in spite of all the false accusations and misrepresentation displayed about him on the media. He clearly isn’t the type of guy to be swayed by lack of Hakaros Hatov.
G-d willing, Mr. Trump will be reelected as our president and continue servicing the country and the Jewish people for another four years. The stakes are high so go out and vote!
Careful about the way you talk about the person who:
Was the first president to recognize Ir Hakodesh as Eretz Yisroel’s capital;
Was the first president to take major steps in advancing peace in the Middle East;
Defeated ISIS, thus saving tens of thousands of Jewish lives;
Recognized the Golan Heights as part of Eretz Yisroel, thus legitimizing the words of our Torah;
Doing a favor for all of Klal Yisroel by freeing the wrongfully imprisoned Sholom Rubashkin;
And much, much more…..
Do you have any way of proving that Trump’s efforts of behalf of the Jewish people is for his own benefit? I didn’t think so…..
“Israel did not give anyone anything in 1969.”
Look up on Wikipedia “the Cairo-Jericho accords.”
Israel handed it to them knowing full well that it would be converted into a terrorist hub. And if they didn’t know it then, they’d better know it now. History tend to repeat itself!
“Reason being to a Lubavitcher everyone that was around (or even more so someone that still is around) isn’t on the same level (and for sure not greater) than the rebbe.”
What are you talking about?! Sure, we believe that there were people as great as the Rebbe.
The Alter Rebbe the Mitteler Rebbe, the Tzemach Tzedek, the Rebbe Maharash, The Rebbe Rashab, the Frierdiker Rebbe…..
In order to provide a more coherent reading of your post, please include the following requisites:
1. Make sure to specify who your message is directed at.
2. Double check spelling mistakes that may confuse the reader.
3. create a comprehensive flow, instead of just mixing different ideas together in a heated jumble.
4. You should probably introduce your general opinion on the matter before you start detailing your arguments. Sometimes it’s hard to tell which side of the argument someone’s posts are supporting.
Please note that my opinion on this subject is not a political one (ie. whether it will support Israel’s economy; whether it will make Trump look bad etc.), but rather what I believe to be more in line with the the concept “Shleimus Haaretz” (Vayikra 25: 23).
The Torah prohibits giving away lands to other nations. This concept, and how it relates to today’s politics, is explained at great length in the Rebbe’s Sichos.
“Hamas’ base in Gaza which Israel handed over to them in 1969.” –
– ‘Say what?!’
If you have a problem with something I mentioned, that please specify what it is. What i said, I believe, is pretty simple. History has shown that the more land Israel hands over, the more greedy – and deadly – the Palestinians become. The fact that Yiddishe publications such as Ami Magazine and YW news are glorifying this “peace” consideration is highly troubling.
“Every person is entitled to an opinion. However, if one expects their opinion on this matter to be considered seriously, one must fulfill two conditions.
1. Live and work in the country that will have to deal with the ramifications of this opinion.”
Interesting, because President Trump fulfills neither of those preconditions…..
And the Rebbe only fulfilled one….
firstly , I should make the disclaimer that I am not a politician, nor do I have an adequate understanding of it to be able to give a proper take on it. Nevertheless, in the Rebbe’s teachings the concept of not giving away land to the Arabs and the negative outcome it will have on Israel’s citizens. This, obviously, prompted me to learn more about it and, eventually, it becomes abundantly clear that none of these so called “peace – land” have done any good for Israel for the past 45 years. On the contrary, it has only wrought destruction, chaos, tragedy, terror, and WAR.
“2. What so-called “terrible ramifications” have the Camp David accords entailed?”
The “terrible ramifications” that I refer to are all the terror attacks that Israel has suffered as a result of Hamas’ base in Gaza which Israel handed over to them in 1969. EVERY single death or injury in Israel from terror attacks organized by Gazan terrorists, is a direct result of the Camp David accords, which served as a precursor for all subsequent “peace” treatings.
I understand that Rav Shach and R’ Ovadia Yosef approved of such peace plans but, in retrospect, whose vision do you think seemed to reflect the future (which is now the bygone past) more? They were tremendous Talmidei Chachamim. I won’t discount that. however when it came to Israel’s well being, practically all ministers and department heads in Israel agreed that the Rebbe’s vision was the most logical and would, ultimately, prove truthful. Yitzchak Rabin told his aides when he exited yechidus, “that Rabbi understands Israel more than most politicians”. Menachem Begin remarked, after his visit with the Rebbe: “we respect him and we accept his judgement” (it’s actually on video). His understanding of economy, war strategy, defense, and political relations far surpassed that of those in the field (as “those in the field” have personally admitted).
We should all Davven that these peace settlements – which are set to go in to play from July 1st – should not fall through, noting the inevitable disaster it will cause.
Rational, I answered a while ago and you STILL didnt answer!
Funny! I just heard about Camp Morris for the first time an hour ago, and now I see it here!