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Even if a camp managed to open getting campers and staff and their belongings there would be both a logistical nightmare and super expensive.
No yellow school buses loaded with 42 kids and a driver. One child every other row on each side of the bus means 10 or 11 kids per bus. No families loading the SUV or minivan with 8 kids and driving upstate. Who will disinfect the campers, clothing, bedding, supplies upon entry to camp.
This may be harsh, but the required inspection, separation, segregation and sanitizing would be reminiscent of a different type of cam Jews went to in the last century.
I would not trust my grandchildren to be subject to the inspections of overworked health department employees in the little towns of the Catskills.1lb raw weight for adults, 10 ounces for children above toddler stage. 6 ounces for toddlers.
The brisket will shrink approx 50% in cooking
From my years in the catering and deli business, so long ago, and hosting a huge family for Yomin Tovim for 35+ years.
@Mrs. P
Throwback recipe from the 1970s that my mother Z”L would make for the second seder.Mix one bottle Russian dressing, one cup apricot jam and and one envelope of onion soup mix (for each chicken)
coat chicken parts well and allow to marinate for a couple of hours, Place in baking/roasting pan, pour the remaining marinade over the top and bake at 325 for about an hour.Don’t have KP Russian dressing?, then use equal parts ketchup and mayonnaise with a little bit of diced pickle.
Keeps food extremely moist and as it is somewhat sweet it goes well with the vinegar based new kraut and relishes that are found on our Pesach table.
@ZD
There is one court. It has painted lines for tennis, and basketball. The poles and hoops are installed at each end. The poles for the net are set to handle tennis or volleyball or badminton.I make no bones about the fact that Mrs. CTL and I sank our money into improving and expanding the compound over 30+ years…doing much of the work ourselves and that our children and grandchildren spent their summers here, not shipped off to camp. The cost was far less than sleep away camp for all the children over the decades.
We bought our house for $110,000 back when. The main section was built in 1803 with additions in 1903. It was a fixer upper. I cut and hammered plenty of wood. Mrs. CTL and I hung and taped sheet rock and I painted and plumbed. Our fathers taught is these skills. They were homeowners here in CT, not apartment dwellers in NY dependent upon a super to do repairs.
The house grew as out family did….very common in this area, many homes in our neighborhood have additions that have been added over the years. Our mortgage is long paid off, so as we approach retirement, we own it for taxes, insurance and repairs. Last year, we added solar for electric supply. We are saving more than $8000 per year on that bill.
Everyone makes choices, we like living in small town CT and not in the city. We like having land and space to breathe. True, there are no local kosher restaurants, takeouts, etc. and the money not spent on prepared food pays for many amenities.
My parents were happy top leave NYC in 1950 and leave the hustle, bustle and dirt behind. They moved to New Haven which had a long history of Jewish schooling, mikvah, bakers, butchers and was a great place to raise a family.
The grandchildren and great nieces and nephews have all been ensconced in the CTL compound since schools even thought of closing. No one has been allowed in or out.
Chol HaMoed they can play basketball, tennis, volleyball, badminton, hopscotch, jacks etc in our yard and courts.
This year, I have decided that it may be cold, but I’ll open the swimming pool and crank up the heater.
Being in the fresh air is good for them. NO excursions to parks or public playgrounds. Just the family who is already here. No other members of the family will join us for Pesach this year, safety first.
I have planned some projects that will have the kids help prepare the gardens for spring planting. As part of math and science we’ll build a tree fort, calculating loads, figuring angles to cut and mitre, area for how much paint or stain needed to cover, etc.
This is a great time to teach life skills and self sufficiency.The joys of being the youngest, not an issue for me
@Charlie Hall
We have spent thousands on Pesach at home, but have hosted the entire extended family including in-laws at the CTL Compound.
This year we now have to abide by the 50 person limit on gatherings and social distancing and possibly travel restrictions and an 8 PM curfew.
So CHL Pesach will be limited to those who live in the compound, are within walking distance (a couple of siblings) and those who can stay here. Already we have 8 grandchildren moved in since schools/colleges have closed so they can be taught as a small group.
Shopping may be the hardest part of making Pesach. But we have a separate Pesach kitchen and the freezers are full of meat and poultry and the pantry stocked with sealed canned, boxed and jarred food, It is fresh dairy and perishables that may be an issue, We don’t buy any prepared foods (ready to eat cooked food),I remember my great grandfather talking about Pesach: On the first day we had potatoes and eggs, on the second day we had eggs and potatoes.
The Pesach Program at the CTL will go on as scheduled (I”H), BUT we are enforcing a 75 person limit. SO>>>none of the pregnant family members should give birth until after Pesach.
We will hold all davening here and not walk to shul, as it would make the Yuntif services at shul exceed the 100 person suggested limit (soon to be mandatory) on public gatherings,
@Yehudayona.
NOT Foreign Nationals………………………………
US residents, not just citizens can come to the US from the EU under the ban.Tell him the invitations all end up in the trash (except for the few saved by parents and grandparents) and it is literally thrown out money.
Fewer, envelopes, inserts, tissues, etc. are better for the environment.@1
always looking to argue. You need to get a life‘Doesn’t’>>>>DOES NOT is present tense, not past tense. 1968 was a violent time in America. MLK and RFK assassinated. Mayor Daley attacked convention goers with his goon squads in Chicago. Major Social unrest and anti-war protests.
The incumbent chose not to run.
It was the first Democrat National Convention I attended. I was too young to vote or be a delegate, but my cousin was a DNC member and I was an invited floor guest.@Coffeeaddict
Yes Sanders supporters will be upset if he has a delegate lead on the first ballot and after delegates are released he loses to Biden on a subsequent ballot.
That doesn’t mean those who are loyal Democrats will not vote for Biden against Trump.
That doesn’t mean some of the diehard Bernie supporters who did not vote for Clinton in 2016 won’t vote for Biden BECAUSE they have detested the Trump Presidency and realize had they not sat out in 2016 Trump might have lost,All of the ardent Sanders supporters I know well have pledged to vote Blue no matter who this year.
So far it looks like a Biden/Sanders race, but in the past surprise candidates have been nominated by the National Convention. Too early and too close to call.
My post this morning was submitted before Bloomberg withdrew and endorsed Biden. I don’t know when the moderators approved and posted, as I was in court today from 10:15 on.
Sanders has previously said he would support the Democratic nominee, he won;t run as a third party candidate.
Brokered conventions were the norm for more than 100 years. Having a candidate with enough delegates for the nomination on the first ballot was unusual (unless an incumbent running for reelection).
It does not mean a party cannot get along, rather that they came to choose a candidate who garnered the needed number of delegates.
State delegates to the National Convention (and I have been one) are only pledge to a specific candidate for the first ballot. Then the horse trading begins
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Always so sure, always so wrong.Time to get rid of that cheap knock off crystal ball you bought at the flea market.
February 24th you posted Sanders was my nominee. I disputed it then and Democrat primary voters overwhelmingly chose other candidates on Super Tuesday.The moderate wing of the party has coalesced behind Joe Biden.
I have made no commitment to any candidate and as I have repeatedly stated I’ll wait to see my choices when the CT primary is held on April 28.
I like some things Sanders has proposed but have said from the beginning I did not think the old, white haired Jew representing Vermont could win the national election.
The south has been the key to elections since the Bush Gore Fiasco in Florida (2000). Biden can turn out voters in the south; Sanders cannot. Sanders is dangerous to the underticket and could lose Senate and House seats. That;s why Trump wants Sanders as the D candidate.
I wrote earlier that I was considering not going to the D national Convention (as I have done for many decades, as our town D chairman expressed interest ion attending. BUT, he is an ardent Sanders supporter, so i may hold onto my seat if there is not a candidate with the required pledged delegates before the convention to win on the first.
Last night I met with 2 CT members of the DNC and 2 congress members who are super delegates, all 6 have stated they will support Biden if it goes to a second ballot. A brokered convention will not go for Sanders.Bloomberg has been an embarrassment, but he has got voters to turn out and his anti Trump advertising is strong. He says if not nominated he will continue to spend his personal fortune to defeat Trump. He has spent $500 million so far. It sounds like a lot of money, but he is a real mulit-billionaire who has an income stream of $107 million per day.
Like Sanders, he is an old northeast Jew who cannot be elected by middle America.
Biden is not my first choice (it would have been None of the above) but he may be the best choice to unseat Trump. Only time will tell.@1
NY followed my state of CT which has had this since last July.
Easy adjustments
Cleaner streets and byways
Our local supermarket even gives a 2 cent per bag credit for each bag the customer provides.You just like to complain
@Health
Wikipedia is NOT an accepted source…too many people can edit entries and they are not verified
The quote says known as…that is not the same as ‘is’
SWP is an irrelevant and small splinter party not worth bothering withI am in favor of putting Donald Trump on Alcatraz………..”the Rock”
Lock him in a cell and throw away the key
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keep posting liesSanders didn’t mot defend Fidel Castro. SAnders said Castro brought literacy to the Cuban people. That was a good thing. Most of what Castro did was terrible.
And Sanders is not the nominee as of now.
Endorsing the Socialist Workers Party in the 1980s did not make someone a Communist, There is a Communist Party in the USA established in 1919. Gus Hall was the Communist Party candidate for President in 1980 and 84 with Angela Davis as his running mate. No one cares what the SWP advocated in 1918, none of us including Sanders were alive then,
In 1973, at an age subject to the draft I was faced with a choice between a Hawk Democratic Congressman up for perennial reelection and a farther right wing Republican opponent or Joelle Fishman the Communist Party candidate. I and many similar aged draftable friends voted Communist as a protest against the major party candidates’ view on the war, We didn’t support Communisn and knew she had no chance of winning. Congressman Giamo won reelection and ended up serving 10 terms before he retired.
My vote for Fishman did not make me a Communist.
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My nominee?????????????/
Have I nominated anyone?
The nominee of the Democratic Party???????????
That won’t be decided until the National Convention this summer. No candidate is the presumptive nominee at this point in time when there has been only one primary and two caucuses.Communist?????????????????
There is a big difference between a Socialist and a Communist.
I support many socialist programs such as Social Security, Public Education, Medicare, Medicaid, Tuition free college (my parents went to CCNY and Hunter for FREE in the 1930s, my state has just made community college free for all in state high school graduates effective this June), etc.Private ownership of business, real estate, etc exists under socialism, not under Communism. I challenge you to show that Senator Sanders is advocating confiscation of all privately owned businesses and real property as was done in the USSR after the revolution.
You just spout lies and think that if repeated enough times people will think they are true.
@ResidentMortal
How foolish to quote nonsense about state bills in the NY Legislature to a CT resident/voter. The action of a state party and its party is not the current platform of the national [arty or the party on my state.
STOP your narishkeit……………..abortion is not the key issue in this presidential electioopn. It’s not even on most voters’ radar.fixed that for you
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TYPO? should read between a woman and her doctor, not forty. Don’t know where this came from. Since the vast majority of abortions in America don’t involve Jews, especially frum Jews, I did not add her Rav.@ResidentMoron
Abortion has been legal since 1973, there are no laws to be passed. The President doesn’t pass laws.
Abortion is a decided issue, not a platform item in 2020.
I am an adoptive parent and would never had gotten youngest child if her mother chose to abort. I am not in favor of unnecessary abortions, but feel it is a decision between woman and forty not government. I have stated before I am fiscally conservative but socially liberal. The Supreme Court says you can’t have an abortion, if you want one pay for it yourself.
@Coffeeaddict
I shall vote
It won’t be wasted, as it will be a vote against Trump
Since we use the Electoral College system, a third party vote by me (should I choose to cast one) won’t affect the election outcome, as Connecticut will go to the D candidate.Again, I have not committed to vote for Sanders or whoever the D candidate is. BUT, It doesn’t mean I won’t come election day. My first chance to cast a vote for a D candidate will be April 28th on Acela Day Primary here on CT. I look forward to seeing who is still in the race before casting my ballot. Right now it is all academic.
I am putting my current political energy into state legislative races right now, not the Presidential race. All politics is local and CT has too few D national convention delegate votes to be that important. In fact, I may even skip being a delegate to the national convention this year. Our Town Democratic Town Committee Chairman has never attended a national convention and has asked if I would consider giving up my seat.The choice will not be restricted to only 2.
That said I shall not vote for Trump.
This is a poorly veiled attempt to get me to put in writing that I’d vote for Sanders, when I have posted before that no one can find where I have said I’ll vote for him.
Nice try, but I didn’t fall for your trap.
@ResidentMortal
You have no idea what my personal moral beliefs are
I point out what is legal in these United States.
The fact that abortion is legal and is same sex marriage does not mean I would participate in either or recommend them or condone them.
I do believe that beyond the Noahide Laws we members of the Jewish Minoroty cannot expect the secular government to apply Torah principles and laws to control the behavior of non-Jews.I am a fiscal Conservative and a Social Liberal (in terms of government and the populace). If an adult female wants an abortion, that is her decision and she should pay for it herself.
If two adults want to buy a license so that their cohabitation has the same tax advantages and legal protections of any other married couple That is just equal application of the laws. No one is making me date or marry another man.The Supreme Court that decided Roe v. Wade was under a Republican President. Even if another conservative justice is appointed and Roe overturned, it will not stop legal abortion in NY, CT and many other states where it is either codified into law or been permitted by state courts. Same with Same Sex marriages. It might stop the pending of federal funds such as Medicaid to pay for abortions and stop federal income tax deductions for a same sex couple, In these northeastern states who had legal same sex marriage before the SCOTIS rule, couples files state taxes as married and federal as singles
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Your ignorant posts never cease to amuse me.
I have stated that I’ll vote against Trump.
I have stated that I’ll willing pay more taxes to provide social programs to the populace.
What is selfish about that???
Have I suggested anyone else vote for the Democratic Party? I dare you to find me trying to sway a vote in the CR.You are just oppositional. If I say something you find the need to post in opposition.
Joseph and I disagree on many things but don’t feel the urge to attack that you have, I suggest you grow up and just scroll on by and don’t read my posts@ResidentMortal
Pull you head out of the sand and that this is 2020.Abortion is legal having been declared so in 1973 by the US Supreme Court
Same Sex Marriage is legal having been declared so in 2015 by the US Supreme Court.The party of which I am a delegate is not advocating these already legal things. They were made legal not by elected officials passing laws but by the Judicial Branch of Government.
Keep your false hatred to yourself.
I won’t vote Trump under any circumstances.
I’ll wait to see who the D nominee is before deciding if I am voting for him/her.
As a delegate to the state D party convention and assumed delegate to the national convention I have been contacted repeatedly by the D contenders including the Bloomberg campaign but have not committed by vote as of yet. Our state primary is in April, I’ll see who is left in the race before votingI have watched Mesivtos open and fold over the years here in CT. A few local parents decided they didn’t want to send their boys away after 8th grade. So they hit up the local Baal Batim and opened schools. In 6-8 years the schools would fail (usually after the first group of local boys had graduated and the original group of parents lost interest).
My older brothers went to Mesivta in Brooklyn, but did not live in a dorm, they lived with my grandparents who lived within 2 blocks of school.
I went to Mesivta in New Haven. My two sons went to Mesivta in Brooklyn, they dormed during the week and spent Shabbos with my grandparents.The only boys who I noticed being sent to Mesivta in New Haven during the 70s and 80s were those from troubled backgrounds, but whose parents could write a large check. The Litvish Mesivta (along with day school has closed down amid scandal and the RY is in a state jail cell for what was done to vulnerable students in the dorms.
I would never willingly send a 14 year old off to live in a dorm somewhere and attend Mesivta in these times. I might consider boarding with a family I have vetted, but would prefer they live with relatives. My grandsons of that age are Brooklyn and living in my sister’s home during the zmanim.
Feeling very old
About 50 years ago learned both COBOL and Fortran using mainframe computers with punchcardsYou have NO clue of what a communist is.
There is a HUGE difference between a Socialist and a Communist.Under Communism individuals own nothing. Capitalism is alive and well under Socialism, but the government taxes wealth and income to provide programs for the benefit of all members of society. One can still own private homes, businesses, stocks, bonds, etc. Under Socialism.
Social Security and Medicare are socialism in practice
Smart enough to know he didn’t have a chance