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Zahavasdad, if you mean Williamsburg or Boro Park, probably not. New Square or Kiryas Yoel, probably yes.
(I don’t know what this has to do with sociology, though.)
Sam, you are assuming that the YU roshei yeshiva/rabbonim are right about this. I don’t.
Actually, the tzivui of the akeidah was against inherent morality, which is one pshat in why it was such a big nisayon.
ZD, I never tried it. Potato starch is used for chometz-like pastries, which is probably the reasoning behind the Chayei Adam cited by Sam, but as I mentioned, it’s not as simple as that.
ROB, taaruvos is my way of expresing how people oversimplify hilchos kitniyos, which you just did again.
You need not be machmir on all of the shailos; that’s fine, but you shouldn’t make fun of those who are. There are real shittos about this.
Actually, it’s “I claim my Gadol holds your Gadol and therefore you was an Oveid Avodah Zarah”.
Did he say that in this thread? I haven’t read all the posts.
If you ask any YU Rosh Yeshivah or respected “MO” Rav what the real ideological differences are between YU and Lakewood, the answer you will get is “nothing” (or attitude towards the Medinah, I guess).
But you won’t get that answer from many roshei yeshiva and rabbonim in the yeshiva world.
Potato bread is chometz gamur. It has wheat flour in it.
There are numerous reasons given for the issur of kitniyos, and based on the different possibilities, there is often a a machlokes whether a particular item falls under the category of kitniyos.
It’s a somewhat complex halachic matter. The issue here, which I believe the OP is alluding to, is that some people are expressing opinions based on sociological factors rather than halachic.
Sure, they’ll make it sound halachic, but these people wouldn’t express their opinion on some complex issue in hilchos taaruves, yet have no problem when it comes to kitniyos.
I would like to point out that unfortunately, many Yeshivas in the chareidi community (as well as communities themselves) have become molester-support clubs.
Newsflash: not limited to the chareidi community. Unfortunately.
Read the teshuva. you can make up this “3rd category” all you want.
OK, I will list the three categories. Please tell me which one you disagree with:
1) Cholov Akum: milked without supervision, without any external reasons, such as govenment regulations or remoteness from any b’heimah t’meiah, to think there’s no milk from a b’heima t’meiah mixed in. Assur.
2) Cholov Yisroel: milked under proper supervision. Muttar.
3) Cholov HaCompanies/Cholov Stam: milked without specific supervision, but subject to government regulation. Some say assur, Rav Moshe and others say muttar, Rav Moshe says baal nefesh yachmir, apushatayid will opt for category 2 instead, when possible.
If course I’ve read the teshuvos. He doesn’t quite use my wording, but all three categories are alluded to.
Reb Moshe drank chalav stam thats a fact
It’s certainly possible that he did at some point, but he writes that he was personally makpid.
So far nobody has given me details to the story….
I happen to have heard that the story is true, but I didn’t even bother asking for details, because, really, what difference does it make?
We know that:
a) he held it was muttar
b) he was personally machmir, held it was better to be machmir, and even more so when it’s readily available.
So there’s no real nafka mina from the story. It’s interesting, because it shows the attitude we’re supposed to have towards maachalos assuros. If this was his reaction to unintentionally eating or drinking something which is muttar meikar hadin, how much more should we be careful of actual issur.
But it doesn’t change the halacha one way or another.
I personally follow the last line of his psak whenever possible too.
So you agree that for practical purposes, there are three categories.
ZD, think about quinoa in terms of how it’s eaten. Would it be more likely to replace rice or berries?
That’s part of the shailah – is kitniyos defined by the scientific description of a plant, or its place in the diet.
APY, not that it’s a debate worth having anyhow, but to be more accurate, it’s more like, “My gadol holds your gadol isn’t really a gadol”.
Why, APY, is R’ Dovid going to say that all of the times R’ Moshe writes that it’s better to be machmir and that he was machmir were forged?
147, according to Chazon Ish, 5.3 oz.
If peanuts are kitniyos, they were always kitniyos. Nobody’s making up new minhagim. It’s a question of how inclusive the old minhag is – a definitional question, to some degree.
Anyhow, I think charliehall answered the OP’s question.
Not the same, in my observation. I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t daven in a Modern Orthodox shul if they needed a minyan (unless maybe the mechitzah was questionable). I can’t say the same about a Beis Chabad.
Simcha613, you make it sound like the yeshiva velt has embraced Chabad. I would say the yeshiva velt has a much bigger issue today with Chabad than with YU.
The Sefardim and Ashkenazim that I know are in complete agreement about kitniyos: that Ashkenazim can’t have it, and that Sefardim can. I have no idea what charliehall is talking about.
The short answer is yes. As ubiquitin says, there is a mochlokes how many ounces are in a reviis, so for kiddush on Shabbos, which is d’Oraisa (although wine isn’t), it’s better to use the larger shiur.
I don’t remember a source offhand, but if you google, you’ll find Rabbi Doniel Neustadt saying this.
How many posters are downplaying taking a deeper lesson?
Someone I respect a lot once explained the difference between YU and Lakewood as how public the hobbies are. Guys at both places might have a collection of Star Wars books. The YU guy keeps his on his shelf; the Lakewood guy in a drawer.
That is silly. You go on to write, “The main difference, as many say, is how much people think they can learn from the outside world as opposed to how much it should be avoided.”
This is much closer to the truth, but doesn’t address the fact that therefore, non YU yeshiva guys are in fact less exposed to the outside world, hence less likely to take an interest in Star Wars. Not that there aren’t any, but it’s a lot more than just a difference of how public it is; there’s a big difference in how prevalent and absorbing it is.
It seems that two out of about twenty JLIC rabbis are YCT ordinated.
I’m curious as to the overall numbers of YU musmachim vs. YCT.
Someone asked R’ Dovid shlit”a how could he asser NYC water – his father drank it! He answered, “If he knew there were bugs in it, he wouldn’t have drunk it”.
If you want to refute people who think Rav Moshe held it was assur, just show them the teshuvos. They’re a much better raya than a diyuk from a story.
My takeaway from his post was that this story, like so many others, is used by many people to prove a point, when in fact the story undermines that very point.
What point do you think people try to make from the story and how does the story actually undermine this point?
Catch yourself, what’s the chiddush if he drank it by mistake? He held it was muttar. Unless when you say “absolutely ???” you mean with no reason whatsoever to be machmir, but that’s k’neged what he wrote in a number of teshuvos.
What, that he kept it? Because he was encouraging people to keep it if they could.
Yes, but that type of material may not have been published.
Do you think Rabbi Reisman is opposed to Reisman’s cookies?
Which Rabbi Reisman? The bakery is actually R’ Yisroel’s family.
I’m not talking about correct or incorrect. I’m talking about calling someone else’s opinion krumkeit and hypocrisy simply because you don’t understand or because you disagree.
I’m also talking about excessive use of exclamation points.
Hockonarock, you spelled udderly wrong.
Sam, I’m not sure why, but anyhow, we don’t need a story to say it’s muttar; we have his teshuvos.
Toi, your “lichoira” is lichoira wrong. He writes that he drank blended whiskey in public, but didn’t say that about c”s.
You’re welcome. Have a nice Yom Tov!
You didn’t answer my question, but I’ll answer yours: no.
You don’t need to regret your opinion (despite the fact that you’re wrong), but you most certainly should regret your unnecessary harshness.
How about someone who witnessed it?
Health, you’re way out of line.
Tell me something, are you allowed to install a smoke detector on Shabbos?
I do, but it’s not a written source.
I heard third hand that it happened.
And now you heard it fourth hand from an anonymous source on the internet.
green chili peppers that were red
Were they bland peppers that were sharp?
http://www.otzar.org/wotzar/book.aspx?159190
Pages 8-10
Ubiquitin, I wouldn’t say not to learn other lessons, but in that case I would (to myself, not publicly) blame the negligent one.
Actually, the negligence in that case would drown out any lesson about smoke detectors.
You’re making the same mistake as Sam, in making a faulty comparison. (Also, you mean mussar, not chizuk, but that’s just semantics).
The question is where the cut-off is. And I honestly have no idea where to put it.
Yes, you’ve made that quite obvious.;)
Bad comparison.
You should be able to google it. For example, if you want the OU’s guide, google “ou passover guide 2015”.
Which list did you have last year?
I’m aware of that. I also assume that you believe the Torah is from Him.
That’s why you should agree that there is inherent morality.
Why would she care that a hat which became popular as a men’s hat after she died is now popular with the frum community?
Is there someone you trust who can call the references for you? I think that’s a better idea.
Have you contacted the Oorah Rebbetzins program?
Hatzlacha.