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if you still maintain wahtever explanation you concoct
The gemara means exactly what Sam2 said it does.
Do you really think I was saying that the rule is we are always machmir? You can’t bring proof from specific cases in which we are meikil; of course we are sometimes meikil. We are also sometimes machmir.
Bringing “koach d’heteira odif” to support being meikil in general is wrong, and dangerous. In fact, as Sam and I have pointed out, that gemara actually indicates that unless one is certain of his position, he must be machmir.
Now the debate will be whether it’s possible for exercising to be Tznius, I’m sure.
I hope not, because such a debate in a public forum will probably not be tzniusdik.
No, it’s not. That’s a distortion of the gemara’s intent.
Yes, troll. But once the mod let it through, I wanted to point out the fallacy, because there are plenty of naive people.
Hth, yes, we can’t enforce not eating chazzir either. (I’m not equating it with bike riding.)
Also keep in mind. If food is kosher there is no need for a formal hechsher
The question is how to know it’s kosher.
MR, without getting involved in specifics, tznius isn’t a free for all.
Maybe I should eat chazzir, since I’m not Taliban, I should decide for myself.
SF, exercising and taking a job aren’t equal.
Koach d’heteira odif is in no way license to be meikil.
ROB, that’s what I thought, you don’t have one.
You are learning p’shat in Rash”i wrong. It says it’s easier to be machmir, which is actually a raya that one must do so when in doubt.
No attempt to be “meikel”? (koach de-hetira odif)
Do you have a source for your understanding of koach d’heteira odif?
Vogue, if you don’t like them, do like oomis.
FTR, I was kidding. I didn’t start any if these threads.
DY, halacha and chumrah do not mean the same thing.
Of course not, but that has little to do with the discussion.
No matter your halachic opinions, it is way out of line for someone to be forced to change from whom he seeks halachic guidance because it’s inconvenient.
Thanks, SaysMe, I had missed that.
Nice lyrics, eclipse.
shave v’al ta’aseh odif
When you are in the IDF you no longer follow the halachic rulings of the community you are from; you follow the IDF’s rulings. And you don’t call your former rav to ask whether you should obey an order.
You’ve just made a better case for not joining the army than I ever could have.
About moratoriums I do shudder.
Eclipse, how have you been?
If the Jews of France can make a kiddush IN shul on that country’s national holiday, kal v’chomer we should do at least as much for a country that has treated Jews far better.
What some random French Jews do is halachah l’Moshe miSinai?
HaLeivi- There is no comparison between Yetzer Hora and emergency
Why not?
And if it was necessary due to emergency, then leave the Yarmulka on.
How is everyone else supposed to know that it’s an emergency?
There are wifi toggle switch apps.
I wonder whether you can download that, turn wifi off, then lock that app with an app lock.
COTW, are you unaware of the fact that Chaza”l mandate certain gedarim, do you think for some reason it doesn’t apply to a phone, or do you just think you know better?
Why does wearing pants make a guy not frum?
Biology, I don’t know that there’s a difference between a min and an apikorus.
There probably is a difference between taking a different halachic viewpoint and the “eino ma’amin” referred to. You can check my source if you wish. I didn’t make it up.
Charlie, where do you find Tosafos and/or the Ramba”m arguing on a Gemara, unless there’s a different Chaza”l on their side?
JMH, Sam is defending the honor of Rishonim. RD called the Baalei Tosafos apikorsim! He deserves all the rebuke, in very strong terms.
In a search for rd’s posts on Tosafos’ shittah, I noticed this.
I am moche in the strongest terms.
MDG, your defense of RD is admirable, and I appreciate the compliment. Sam is indeed learned, but as for me, I just spend too much time here, so I’ve seen RD refer to the Tosafos.
and a real giveaway:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/raising-the-pinky/page/2#post-460745
About all these threads I do shudder,
they’re as ridiculous as an udder.
With all sorts of rhymes,
about times, dimes, and limes,
they keep coming, one after anudder!
MDG, he didn’t miss the Tosafos.
There absolutely is reason for ad hominem attacks against those who trample on the honor of the Baalei Tosafos.
There is no justification, though, for trying to make this into a racial war between Ashkenazim and Sefardim. Especially bein hametzarim.
Oh, and I agree with Sam 100%.
I hope those who rebuked Sam didn’t understand his point, because if you think you shouldn’t insult someone who is so derogatory to the heilige Baalei Tosafos, youv’e got your priorities messed up.
Bais Yosef (YD 119-11) quotes Rashb”a that one who disbelieves the words of Chaza”l is a “min” and his wine is yayin nesech.
Popa, women are allowed to hear apikorsus?
Sam, not benefiting the economy is not synonymous with making everyone else starve.
There are holes in the analogy. I guess it’s hard to argue a position you don’t really agree with.
Derbtzin’s point “D” is crucial to the discussion, and I don’t think Cindy can relate.
The other point that needs to be mentioned is that it’s been claimed (I don’t know details) that the cuts are so abrupt and severe that they’re obviously designed to be punitive rather than to rehabilitate.
As the Vilna Gaon told the Dubno Maggid, “Ich bin nisht kein kuntzmacher.”
Under normal circumstances, we can condemn a group based on the acts of its leaders, with the assumption that they represent the group (entity).
In this case, we have information that the leaders were acting in rogue fashion, without consent of the members, hence, the entity is not to blame.
Mazel Tov, Goq.
They must have been very thirsty.
Shikron, the leadership owes an apology to its membership (and possibly a resignation as well) and of course to Chacham Ovadiah, but according to this information, the leadership was not, in this case, representing its membership, which therefore does not deserve reprimand.
Kooljew, it’s a Chasam Sofer. I linked it earlier. Here it is again:
Jbaldy, what does “this situation” mean?
ROB, there is no machlokes, hence the halachah can be like both. One can’t arbitrarily avoid his obligation to teach a profession, but can be mechanech his son in Toraso umnaso.
Your assumptions that the entire yeshivah world, with the encouragement of its gedolim, is in blatant violation of halachah is insulting, arrogant, and ignorant.
You are not better informed than them.
I absolutely LOVE my marriage and don’t feel “constrained” at all.
May you and your husband always feel that way.
Et tu, MZ?
According to DaMoshe’s story, I believe PBA could possibly owe an apology to the RCA (although the RCA should issue a clarification, since the letter was leaked).
GAW, point well taken, but I still think the overall advice given by R’ Altusky was better.
BTW, DaMoshe’s friend went to college, then OTD.
We do pasken like R’ Nehorai.
I don’t show contempt for people who don’t think like me.
I show contempt for the arrogance of those who think they know how to learn a piece of gemara better than our gedolim (not for them, for their arrogance).
True, that’s an exaggeration, but I have little doudt that had DaMoshe stayed in yeshiva at least a bit longer, his hashkafos would have been better.
DaMoshe, R’ Altusky was right.
You are leveling a viscous, unsubstantiated charge, that the women aren’t willing partners in their husbands’ learning. I hope it’s more from ignorance than intolerance.
As for the gemara regarding teaching a profession, you have already admitted that you need to learn more, and it shows again.