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The difference is that Coke Zero Sugar tastes good.
I think he means having mainstream yeshivish/BY hashkafos, reasonably intelligent, decent looking, neat and presentable, personable, decent conversationalist, in good physical and emotional health etc.
In short, someone with no glaring reasons why they shouldn’t be able to find a shidduch in the yeshiva world.
You think that if they cover it up for a certain number of years they should have no liability? Or, you just think that enablers should never have any liability in the first place?
Neither. I think the guilty should pay, not the innocent.
Go after the actual enablers, not the people who took their positions.
A mamzer is also punished for the sins of his parents too
We also wipe out an entire city in the case of Ir Hanidachas, so you’d be okay with wiping out not only the yeshiva, but the entire city?
I personally find it distasteful to buy German products, but I’m pretty sure if I went ahead and sued Germany I wouldn’t win.
So you’re sticking with your assertion that it’s okay to punish the child for what his parent did? If I found some misdeed that you did, you’d think it would be fair to punish your kids?
I dont think you understand, Yeshivas are usually ‘Family Businesses” and whomever was in charge 30 years ago, its likely in charge today or at the worst their decendents are . So they same people are in charge, even if the Perp is no longer there.
If it can be proven that he enabled, he should be fired. Legally, no yeshiva is privately owned, or they couldn’t receive tax deductible donations. There’s a board, who can hire a new dean.
I don’t know why you think descendants should be liable for the misdeeds of their parents/grandparents. I think that’s very wrong.
And I am fairly certain you cannot leagally sue the Perp if the crime happend during work hours. The employer is responsible
So change the law. Suing a yeshiva out of existence isn’t the answer. The people who will suffer aren’t the perpetrators or enablers.
If a Yeshiva knows it has a child molester and does not do anything about it, they should be sued out of existence.
But that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about suing a yeshiva for events which may have taken place 30 years ago, when now the alleged perpetrators and enablers are no longer working in the yeshiva.
Sue the guilty people, not the people who happen to be working in an institution in which the guilty people used to work.
At a few of the frum stores I’ve shopped in, the extent of the “shtick” of 3 for $5 is that the first two are $1.67 and the third is $1.66.
Competition is always good as long as its competition and not causing the smaller stores to go belly up.
Should the bigger stores raise their prices so that the smaller stores stay in business?
If you check out the “working boy world”, there are plenty of older singles there.
I do think they may be harder to match up.
Specifically, I think there are a lot of girls who are looking for “learning boys” who happen to be working, but most “learning boys” are not working.
NCB, nobody is defending enabling child molestation. Total straw man.
It’s not the people who are being accused who will suffer, it’s the parents of the students currently enrolled, and the community as a whole.
ZD, they aren’t necessarily the same people.
Joseph, even if it never happened, that doesn’t stop malcontents from suing.
Classic troll
What about American, British and French cars.? It isn’t like there government’s were blameless.
Not blameless, but you still can’t compare.
Many of the makolets will insist on a minimum charge to use a credit card, which is in violation of their agreements with the credit card companies.
I don’t know about Israel, but in the US, the credit card companies are prohibited by federal law from stopping stores from imposing a minimum of $10 or less.
This is a question for 30 years ago.
The relevant question today would be a super duper store vs. a plain super store.
We’re all brothers and sisters.
I think we all (myself included) need to consider that when considering what, and to a larger extent, how, we write to another poster.
One difference between kashrus of food and clothing is that clothing can be checked after the fact, but food generally cannot (except for bugs but even that is different because nobody is going to drop off a salad to be checked and pick it up the next day).
Amein!
That’s quite a stretch
Not any bigger than the one Takes2-2tango made.
Im just trying to figure out how a week of Prizus in the promised land of Florida turned into a discussion of Abortion
The OP mentioned chillul Hashem. Takes2-2tango talked about some alleged chillul Hashem, with a totally unsubstantiated claim about Agudah supporting abortion. Probably motzi shem ra altogether, but there’s your connection.
ZD, Who said anything about pritzus?
The OP talked about mid winter vacation. Many people go to Florida for mid winter vacation. There’s a lot of pritzus in Florida.
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That might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
I guess you didn’t see the vaccine and Chabad threads.
I think that regarding personal matters (i.e. matters that don’t involve another person who may not follow the Torah) it would be preferable for secular law to be less restrictive than Torah law.
Where does abortion fit in? Is the fetus another person?
But it sickens me
You should have taken the DMSD vaccine.
CTL, how’s your wife doing?
As your tzidkus grows, you grow into a bigger tzadik. When a lammud vovnik is niftar another tzadik reaches the madreiga of becoming a lammud vovnik.
What if he’s doing an aveirah at the time?
Any other secrets you need answers to?
Yes, who are the other 35? 🤣🤣
What happens when one dies?
Does a non tzaddik suddenly become a tzaddik?
Does a well known tzaddik suddenly become hidden?
$10,000? Where do I sign up?
Is his wife showing up too early?
Too late?Yes
Is even showing up the problem?
Yes, after borchu.
Is there a מחיצה?
Yes
Why is he looking over there?
He’s looking for his wife.
(These questions remind me of the people who try to find the lomdus and farenfer all the stiros in Harry Potter)
“theres no crisis just a lack of bitachon”.
There are singles who say that, and people who have kids who need shidduchim.
They may be wrong, but automatically saying they’re insensitive is unfair.
Also, they’re right on an individual basis, just wrong that it’s not a societal problem.
Sort of difficult to usefully respond on a “global” search for a Rav who cold advise on some vague “spiritual” matter who has all the basic attributes one would hope for in a Rav.
What do you mean? The Gedolah Hador is available right here for the whole world!
Joseph, which part of “V’ein kan makom l’ha’arich” do you not understand? Perhaps ubiquitin could explain it to you. 😉
Different expectations for what a marriage is supposed to look like. V’ein kan makom l’ha’arich.
I should add that you say that we’ve combined the worst of both, but I don’t see how the modern system (which isn’t really much of a system) works any better, or would work for BMG type yeshiva bochurim and BY girls.
And I don’t think the chsssidish system, which does seem to work much better in terms of setting up matches, would work for American litvish style bochurim in terms of sholom bayis.
I think the first is more realistic
I think they’re both unrealistic.
I do hear your point, but it doesn’t seem to be the case that boys sit around for that long without dates, so I’m not sure that’s the big ikuv here.
In how long would you be willing to advocate trying something else (if either the age gap cant be closed, or if closing doesnt help)
What do you recommend? I think other than age gap, the problems plaguing the shidduch system are general societal problems which manifest themselves particularly strongly in shidduchim; they’re not problems specifically in the way shidduchim are done. I don’t necessarily think they’re any easier to solve than closing the age gap.
“As a pediatric neurologist and member of the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Child Neurology Society, the American Academy of Neurology and the American Neurological Association, I strongly support the importance of vaccines for all children. I have spoken with many parents of children with ASD over the years who feel strongly that their children developed ASD due to vaccines and I have vigorously defended the importance of vaccines as the best way to prevent many serious diseases”
Dr. A. Zimmerman
Though long can I expect to wait unti l real solutions are attempted?
Real solutions have been and are being attempted.
I think it is simplistic and while it would explain shidduch island or musical chairs with a fixed number of chairs and players it doesn’t explain the real world
You haven’t done a very good job of explaining why it’s not true in the real world, and haven’t really responded to my specific challenges to your assertion that it does not apply to the real world.
Thats a tough sell, you are advocating for a change that you admit is “very difficult” that would only “very possibly” actually help what the real problem is.
You are mischaracterizing my position. I think it would solve a great deal of the “real problem”.
I do think it’s very difficult to completely close the gap to the point where there won’t be any disparity, but it’s not an all or nothing proposition.
Perhaps he means property tax
Sam, what does that have to do with the freezer?
GH, no (at least not to the same extent), because the boys in EY generally get married younger.
while you are thinking about that, consider this how easy do you think it will be to cut out the disparity?
I think the way to cut out the disparity is to cut down the gap.
I think cutting down the gap is a very difficult thing to do.
If we cut out the disparity, but kept our current dating prices would there still be a crises
Our current dating practices include age gap, but I’ll assume you mean that we change the age of boys to a younger age, the boys marry older girls than current practice, or a combination.
The answer I believe is that we would still have some singles. We would certainly have fewer older single girls, and possibly fewer older single boys.
The reason I think we might even end up with fewer older single boys is because if we level the playing field somewhat, and take away some of the advantage boys currently have, we would very possibly cause the boys to have lower expectations, and that might help some of the tougher cases to get married.
Whether after these changes were affected we would still have a “crisis” depends on how you define crisis.
No because for boys age is less of an issue.
Do you think the age gap theory math is wrong, or deny that there’s an age gap (or population growth)?
No because for boys age is less of an issue.
How does that decrease their numbers? If we start with the same number of boys and girls, and they marry at equal numbers, how do we end up with more girls?
there are a lot of complicated pieces at play that make it hard to actually predict how many of each would be left.
Agreed, but we don’t need precise numbers, and without any reasonable hypothesis that more girls leave than boys (I haven’t heard one), the larger number of girls is a problem.
I think we’ve found the problem.
And Joseph’s solution 🙄