daniela

Very sorry to hear about the heartbreaking loss
Baruch Dayan Emes and may you be consoled together with all mourners of Zion and Jerusalem

Take care

As for the effect of the widespread use of masks in the general population, anyone can do their own elementary-school math, or can look up the study RESTART-19 in Germany, or more empirically, compare with China.

SRivka, you are right, facts speak for themselves. In Asia the virus is much more under control. We all know in EY a few people were very strict with masks and most were not. Why are you posting quotes from OSHA? Some of us are already familiar with hazmat and others will simply be overloaded by a piece of information they can’t contextualize or process. What are you seeking to achieve with your posts? To learn something? To convince others of your beliefs? If you want to get yourself (I hope not your family and children) exposed to this virus, you are free to do as you please, I certainly don’t have the desire, let alone the power, to prevent you from doing so. However, please note that not everyone is eager to catch this evil virus.

CTLawyer
FWIW I would recommend Canada in the short term and I would not be so sure that Trump stays in power for four more years. Wishing the very best to you and all of your awesome family.

You don’t catch the disease => you won’t need any medication, you will stay healthy, and you will not be responsible for infecting others.

Always_ask_questions
not “high risk” i.e. elderly people or those with condition should stay away, but careless people should stay home.

IMHO the only way is to wear N95 and above and keep environmental concentration of virus within the masks’ design margins. This virus is transmitted by aerosol.
The more we learn about the virus effects, the more it becomes clear we must not catch it.

“Those who want to avoid him are free to walk around”
What a smart reply. At least, it would be if we didn’t all breathe the same air. Reminds me of someone drilling a hole in the ship hull, but doing so strictly under his seat.

@charliehall
No one really knows the death rate, because the epidemic is too recent. In 5 years, or 10 years, we can talk about mortality, or should I say, survival rate. For the time being, all we can say is that there are already a large number of deceased victims and that the epidemic is ongoing.

Cholera can be airborne.

@2cents
what action did he take? Block flights from China? and not from EU? And downplay this “flu” suggesting it’s nothing too dangerous and anyway it would disappear soon?
I have spoken up, for free, to anyone I’ve met in person, Jewish or not, and occasionally on the internet. Some people do not want to listen. There is nothing anyone can do about it.
The Chinese suggested in February, and Westerner researchers confirmed in March, that the disease is aerosol-transmitted. WHO, which is as fast as a plastic fossile dinosaur model still packed for shipment, that is to say, in the event there were United Nations of Dinosaurs bickering constantly and threatening to nuke each others, WHO has been saying for months that TBC precautions are a good guideline. Reinfection was recently confirmed, but long since assumed as possible. Long-term consequences are all too obvious.
There are in this very thread people who believe that having caught and survived the virus is a plus. It isn’t so for other similar diseases, which did not reach Western countries and thus were not profitable to research. Perhaps they are correct and time will show there is immunity. However I am not betting my life and my family’s on that.
May be it’s sheer luck, but I don’t know anyone who got infected among people who always followed some annoying but easy precautions.

@commonsaychel
Do you mean that men with a beard have a heter to spit around and make themselves disgusting, not to mention spreading this disease or other illnesses? Beard, where is your Yid?

@PaperBridge
Much needed words! Thank you 🙂

@kollelman
it’s not whether you want to protect yourself: you are obligated to protect yourself, last time I checked. Besides, if you get exposed you will be contagious and walking around.

I have no idea about the true facts on this story and I am relying on what you, BY1212, post. You seem to be familiar with the facts, I have no idea about them. See quotation below:

Yale hydroxy

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Dr. Zelenko tells of a 29 yr. Old pregnant woman who contracted covid and asked him about hcq etc. which he told her to take. But her local doctor said no. She ended up losing her baby and is now braindead and on a ventilator.

So she was cruelly denied a path that might have saved her and her baby by the fauci’s and ubiqs of the world and condemned to certain death.

She is one example of millions around the world.

Just to massage your
egos. Nice.
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I am very happy to hear she is very much alive, contrary to what you previously reported. Also, braindead is a very specific condition, you did not say comatose or unresponsive. I do not want to raise a completely different and very thorny issue, let me just say that what you wrote did not sound likely.

So the facts are that she did not receive Dr Zelenko’s protocol and is still alive? Was it incorrect to state she has been “condamned to certain death”?

You also did not address my questions. Was the lady willing to take the medications? Was Dr Zelenko willing to prescribe them to her?

Did she want to take HCQ? If so why did not Dr Zelenko provide her with the prescription and medications?

It is very difficult to be in a public position. That said, it is true that masks help a little those who wear them, and help significantly their neighbors, but due to the fact this virus is very contagious, it would require “professional” respiratory protection basically for everyone. The problem is there were not available even for health professionals, who were not trained either, not fitted, etc. Anyway, since it was all over the news, hospital bought PPE in large numbers, and they became difficult to find even for workers who needed them. And that’s besides the fact some people see masks as an attack to their freedom and individuality, or whatever.
My family stayed as much as possible at home. We wore KN95 or above when we had to go out, reusing them according to CDC guidelines. We’ve had no symptoms, but we did not get tested either.

@CTLAWYER
It was years I did not log in to this website
I do not think I know you in real life. but I read you often. I am very sorry to hear about your daughter catching the virus, she should have a refua shleima and suffer no long-term effect
Since you are among the not-many voices of reasons in this turmoil, I would like to ask you if she believes she caught the virus on the plane or during her work interactions and if she was wearing DPI.
Please be very careful and stay safe along with your family.

A filter will not be of much help if someone wants to access certain sort of material. I agree that there are cheap smartphones availables and it will only increase. So what? After all there are various other forbidden items for sale, and many of them are very cheap and easily available, in every neighbourhood. If someone decides they want to purchase and use, it’s easy to. But most people don’t.

If you believe it’d be different with the internet, please explain why. If you believe people would rebel to being filtered and monitored, or at least resent it, please explain the reason it is not happening right now. Our local system administrator does, as well as our ISP, our Tier 1, and of course the government. I trust them zero, and on top of that I loathe them, and yet, I let them do so (I don’t have my own infrastructure and very few people do).

That said, please don’t insult our intelligence about “questionable material” being equated with something a MD or an OB-GYN would study (one can only wish it were so), nor about professionals “needing” access to unfiltered internet (which, actually, most of us want to filter in order to avoid malware, spyware, and unwanted content which, as it was already mentioned, can land innocent people in jail due to law violations by their employees).

I can think of only one industry that needs completely unfiltered access (not really to the user, but indeed to their machine), and that is data mining. I sure hope those who are in that business have asked a shaila whether it’s a permissible manner to make a living.

Maybe there are other areas with similar requirements, and please feel free to list them. I can’t think of others.

I never heard of any college that mandates use of their computers and networks for connecting to the internet (suddendly a personal device and connection is too expensive for people who spend tens and hundreds of K$ on college?) and by the way, the standard is that they monitor, filter, and sometimes do more than that.

Finally I don’t have any problem about you using or not using any filters, in fact, if you have unfiltered internet, I assume you have both good valid reasons and a heter, as well as sharp skills and/or a full-time network manager. Yet, this is quite different from treating others like fools because they use a filter.

No! It is never alcohol, it is usually paraffine or isoparaffine. Some **skilled and experienced** artists add a little bit of alcohol (vodka and similar) so that the liquid does not taste so bad and also it’s more spectacular, as alcohol is volatile (think of the flame on flamboyant dishes or cocktails). But it is dangerous as it increases the chance that flames go in reverse and the liquid inside the mouth might catch fire. Not advisable and absolutely not for a beginner. And of course, only for breathing fire.

I am surprised you can’t find a male to teach you in the NYC area. Perhaps one of the ladies who would be willing to teach you, can suggest a male?

Hi, in some phones you can disable wifi in the preferences, but in others, this is not possible. I assume the OP was not able to disable wifi in preferences (or perhaps only had “airplane mode”, which also disables cellphone reception).

I personally don’t particularly like K9. In addition, Android, but also Chrome for Windows and other platforms, will connect directly to the google websites, such as gmail. I once posted a detailed discussion, but moderators deleted it. I don’t mind rewriting what I can remember, but if it’s not suitable for the website, no problem. However it is unadvisable to rely too much on K9. Actually at this point it is unreliable to rely upon any single filter.

A smartphone is, unfortunately, a platform where the user is the product. They need to grab our personal info (you realize our phones knows which time we wake up and which time we fall asleep, whom we call and for how long, the websites we visit, even what we are thinking – we usually write that into google) and they need to push advertising and other unwanted garbage; the aim is to keep our attention focused on the device for most of our waking hours. Of course connectivity is crucial to that “business” model.

The Android (a unix-family operating system) has a filesystem which is hierarchical. The top directory is / (it is also called the root directory) and contains both files and subdirectories. For example typical subdirectories of the directory / are /etc /bin /usr and so on. In turn those contain files and sub-subdirectories. However, in many cellular phones, one can not even see the directory structure, or in other cases, the important files are read-only and can not be modified by the user.

Please be careful with modifications because it’s very possible that the phone will decide to access the internet anyway, except will do that on the cellular network (at your expense).

Please let me know more precisely what you are trying to do, and if I know how, I will tell you. Are you trying to block the web browser? Are you trying to block all connectivity via wifi? Are you wishing to keep some apps connected (such as email) and block others?

GAW:

“The problem is that there is nothing to discuss.”

“They are “true believers”, who similar to missionaries, are not interested in hearing the truth.”

if that is what you think a priori, and if you assume that I have never asked medical counsel or that I have seen a quack, I am sorry that I can’t help your narrow-mindedness. By the way you do not even know so far which vaccinations we declined.

“P.S. If you don’t vaccinate your children, I’m interested to hear why not. (Also I’d like to make sure that no one in my family has any contact with you or your children).”

“Not really. I don’t think I asked for such personal information from a complete stranger.”

Which one of the two?

“As I said before, Tetanus+ (TDAP?) & Polio are the biggies. MMR is also important, as those diseases can hurt pregnant women. After that, if you don’t want to take flu or Chicken pox vaccine (and certainly HPV), I have no Tayainos.”

Those who receive Sabin Polio should be aware that live virus is present and thus avoid contact with immunodepressed people and people not (or not yet) vaccinated for a few days after each dose. I agree with you on the rest, except for your glaring omission of arguably the most important vaccine for travelers and for people in contact with travelers: yellow fever. Polio is by now very rare even in remote countryside areas in the third world: yellow fever, which is more serious than polio, is endemic even in urban areas and due to globalization can occasionally be encountered anywhere.

Now, if you tell me you don’t ever travel outside NYC or at most you go to NJ, and that you rarely have reason to contact travelers to Asia or Africa, that is a good reason for skipping yellow fever vaccine. As you see, good reasons for declining potentially life-savings vaccinations exist. You are proof of it.

I can not agree with the point you make with regards to herd immunity. A child or an elderly or even a young person who can not be vaccinated (due to serious diseases such as cancer, or being a transplant recipient) is a person whose health and even life are threatened even by a trivial cold, for which there is no vaccination available at present. Anyone who has any cold-like symptoms should temporarily stay away from that person.

You can buy kosher food at 2am in any town which has shops open at 2am (even the pharmacy or the gas station, if it comes to that). How much more so if one avails themselves of all the leniences you accustomed us all to.

Now, if someone wants to buy *meat* and *wine* at 2am, that is a different story. I am, however, not sure where in the Torah it is advised as necessary, or even as healthy, to do so daily or twice a day during the week. Let alone do that regularly in the middle of the night.

Would be interesting if you posted a similar discussion “The cost of having a computer”.

A heter? is he a yid?

Ask your question to the rabbi who is encouraging you to get the person deported.

ZD I have hardly noticed rabbis stating it is forbidden to pay taxes to the State of Israel or to other ordinary countries, perhaps you would like to quote them to us? Even in cases it was permissible to evade such taxes if possible (USSR is an example) I do not recall it being declared forbidden to pay taxes, of course, as long as we perceive that paying taxes to the evil govt is for us advantageous. Again can you please quote if someone stated differently?

I am not sure what compulsory draft has to do with the above, though.

I don’t hold by “rabbi” martin luther king (sorry if someone dislikes the quotes) and halacha allows us various recourses when we are allowed (sometimes obligated) to follow Torah and disregard the law of the land. We sure don’t have to “willingly” and “lovingly” turn the other cheek, as MLK’s religion is suggesting. By the way, a law which, if obeyed to the letter, violates the beliefs of a minority has a name: “religious discrimination”.

Avi K

I am well aware there are halachot (let me stress, halachot) in regards to people who present a danger. The last time I know these questions being non-theoretical was in Europe during WW2.

Equating cremation of eichmann (which I have no idea if it was done seeking daas Torah, and quite frankly I doubt it) which has no negative connotation for their ideology (many nazis chose cremation for themselves in their will, and I do not recall eichmann protesting it during the trial) with desecration of human bodies which sometimes had to take place in order to safely eliminate evidence after a person had to be assassinated, with a hypotetical deliberate desecration of bodies, speaks for itself. Moreover, the assumption that such a step would scare the aspiring terrorists into becoming meek lambs and fear the might and strength of the Jews, also speaks for itself. What will realistically happen, everywhere in the world, we all know. And, sorry to break the bubble, terrorists are not exclusively motivated by their fantasies of young ladies in the afterlife. They are prepared to do what they do because they believe that is the right thing to do.

Public safety and order, if that is the high priority of the Israeli government, should indeed be implemented, but the statistics on violent crimes and those on vicious crime, somehow tell me that if there were miracolously a peaceful solution of the Arab problem, this would not turn the country into a paradise, would it.

Finally I am well aware of the correspondence between Rabbi Moshe Feinstein and Ronald Reagan on the subject of death penalty in USA. We do not know if nowadays Rabbi Feinstein would pasken the same way (I am sure we all remember the first death penalty trials i.e. frank coppola etc. where the legal debate was not superficial, attorneys studied the papers and the sentence was not written before the trial even started), what we do know is that at this time, multiple poskim in USA say it’s forbidden for observant Jews to be on juries when the death penalty is involved – period.