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Feif: Stop joining the anti-Orthodox party. The POLICE department said it conducted a very thorough investigation and clearly determined it was suicide by a young mentally disturbed individual. Do you really believe every anti-frum lie that is printed?
Losing, even partially, any mitzvah m’doraysa or m’drabbonan is not something that should be done for yishuv. Much much better to fully engage in kibud av veim than to move for the sake of yishuv.
Even Jewish Week, a known Orthodox-hating publication, just admitted Feldman’s book lied when it accused a Satmar family murdering their 20 year old son (and further lied that the community covered-up the non-existent murder.)
Yes, Feldman’s lies are being exposed one-by-one.
Sam4: How did it change?
Just have her in mind three times a day, when davening vlamalshinim.
Well said hakohen53, and absolutely correct.
She publicly stomped and spit upon the Torah r’l.
Avram’s point was your family would be scared for *your* welfare. Doesn’t that concern you? Furthermore, the many sins you outline about yourself are shared by family members; so an invitation to do justice upon you would equally apply to others in the family.
ZeesKite: +1. Very well said. Yasher Koach.
He doesn’t usually speak in English.
Bowwow is putting us all on.
On what halachic basis? To publicly embarrass someone?
You’re still repeating yourself. There’s a seruv against the husband, let’s say in our hypothetical situation. He has been declared by beis din to be in contempt. So action against him is authorized by beis din. Okay. Now you or some rabbi has the right to simply declare other people not party to the case to be impeding the process or even simply unhelpful in forcing him? Simply on the say-so of one person, and not a beis din where the third-party would at least have the right to deny or defend himself from such accusations?
There is no halachic basis ( you haven’t even attempted to justify it halachicly) and is simply an absurd assertion.
yichusdik: mdd is correct in the pashut pshat in the Gemorah. The only reason the Gemorah brought the story, was to demonstrate it was a praiseworthy action. Also, you keep repeating that one must be on some madreiga to make a macho’o against a wrongdoing. There is no such thing. What gives you the idea one must be a certain madreiga (source)?
Also, you say there are differences of opinion that are acceptable, in defending your right to your opinion on this issue. So even putting aside the issue of your being wrong on the issue, by your own standards you must at least acknowledge mdd’s and others right to their position of the correctness of making a macho’o and giving tochacha. So when the macho’o is made, you by your own standards stated in your last comment must accept their right to make that macho’o,
“The Zionists do not care to admit they are responsible for all the bloodshed since 1948”
They are responsible for Arab violence even before ’48, from the time they started pushing for statehood in the early 1900’s.
Sam: Your answer to Hakatan doesn’t hold much water. Jews IN Israel are no safer from a future holocaust C”V than Jews outside Israel. In fact they are arguably less safe.
Sam: Please post what you find out. Because it makes no sense, and is seemingly assur.
apushatayid: This letter from Rav Elyashev (translated in the OP) saying frum Jews shouldn’t go to the army (including Nachal Chareidi) or to college, was published on the front page of the Yated (signed).
yichusdik: Comparing other posters to a rasha doesn’t make your opinion any truer. Giving tochacha is a halachic *obligation*.
Where does the CC ever say it is LH to say a vague story where no one can identify any of the principals in the story?
Sam: How can a a rabbi allow publicly embarassing relatives who *beis din* never declared in violation of any seruv?
HaLeiVi: Having major wars every 10 years or so, and terrorism throughout, isn’t a worthy tradeoff to populate the land. We needn’t put every 18 year old in harm’s way with so many deaths from wars and terrorism from ’48 until today. We didn’t live under this *constant* threat in Syria before 1900 (about the time when some Jews started demanding a state in Palestine), as we do in Israel now. (Since you brought up “trends”, while there were always anti-semitic outbreaks before, in the State the trend is a constant state of war.)
Sam, what do you mean by nidui? And how can a third-party that was never part of the case in beis din or the seruv open him/herself to nidui without a beis din first declaring the third-party (ie parents) to be in contempt of beis din for violating the seruv? They were never part of the original case or seruv and anyone can’t just decide on their own that they violated the seruv and thus publicly embarass them. Hence there was no justification at all for the protesters to embarass the parents and grandparents and other family members, as none of them were formally found by beis din of nidui. It was illegitimately decided by the protesters on their own to be mvayish them b’rabim .
yichusdik, don’t put words in mdd’s mouth. He didn’t say the posek is modernish. He said the idea you can’t be moche is.
You cannot embarass family members (parents, etc.) even if the spouse is doing something wrong. Certainly not without the parent or other family member being taken first to beis din and having an opportunity to deny, and the beis din ruling. This has never happened in any of the cases where these reshoyim protest and embarass family members not party to any beis din case or seruv.
Its more like 10 years old (or less).
He wouldn’t come if he feels shes dressed non tznius.
What did Country Yossi and Mishpacha write about the CR (other than quoting a thread)?
When I lived in Lakewood I had one of the frum internet providers and I know they assigned all their users the same ip address, including my parents in NY had the same ip I had in NJ. Other internet providers do the same, even though it isn’t the most common method. So, yes, it is quite possible and very reasonable that two or more users share an ip. Even if they live in different cities.
So one guy might have been in Melbourne and another in another Australian city with a earlier or later Zman Shabbos. Hence the 25 hour difference.
Although, we still don’t know the *exact* alleged difference in hours and minutes between the Friday and Sat. Night post.
The poster only identified himself after a mod mentioned the so-called MS was posting from Australia AND then subtitled that poster as “Aussie”. So it was obvious who was being called out before said poster vigerously denied and protested being called a MS.
How many hours and minutes *exactly* were there between the Friday post and the Saturday evening post?
Because the guy who spit is a meshugene. And the only one accused of spitting. One unaffiliated loner did something and the media is using one man’s stupidity to defame all frum Jews.
old man: clearly not all Bet Shemesh residents agree with your claim.
So I just watched the video from Israeli TV and I don’t see any problem with the kid. There’s no excuse for the spitting, period. (Was the spitting on video, cause I didn’t see it, or did the mother or someone just claim someone spit her?) Anyways, I agree with Health that the mother of this girl, when she was walking her to the school next to the ultra-Orthodox neighborhood, was NOT dressed tzniyus. Her skirt was short. If someone is very frum I can understand their objections to her (the mother) walking by their neighborhood like that. Again, no excuse for spitting. But the daily protests against the school is more understandable. (BTW, the A.P. is quoting this mother today as saying any woman should have a right to walk sleeveless in the ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods, to give some perspective on who you are dealing with.)
The guy who spit is a meshugene. Its not like its happening often. There is one reported such incidence. The media is using one guy spitting as a mass hysteria event to attack all frum Jews. If some chiloni guy in Tel Aviv spit on a child it would be a non event. I’m sure it has happened more than once there. You would never hear about it in the media. At most the guy would get a summons with a 200 shekel fine. You wouldn’t have chilonim calling for the murder of 10 random people, as some chiloni was quoted in the Israeli media today advocating 10 random Chareidim be murdered to teach them a lesson not to spit.
Actually the accused poster was clearly identified when the mods said he was from Australia and then subtitled a poster as “aussie”. And considering the evidence as stated was only a post on the borderline erev shabbos and borderline motzei shabbos and there being about only a 24 hour difference betweenthe two posts, so the assumption being one of themmust have been on shabbos, it is somewhat unconvincing.
America was a spiritual wasteland until after WWII. The gedolim before the war recommended against moving to America because one was likely to throw their yiddishkeit into the Hudson River as they passed the statue of “liberty”. It was only later when gedolim like R. Aharon Kotler, Satmar Rebbe, R. Moshe Feinstein built Torah and yiddishkeit here that many people stopped doing various aveiros. So it is no raya that people were sinning in the 30s and 40s that that somehow made it right.
gubbish: Um, no. Covering knees and elbows aren’t “guidelines”. They are ironclad laws that must be followed.
The very frum women never revealed their knees and elbows in public. Not 60 years ago, not 30, and not now. There were shomer shabbos women 60 and 30 years ago as well as now that publicly display their knees and elbows and above. They are doing an aveira. Now. 30 years ago. And 60 years ago. The same a aveira. It wasn’t any more correct then than it is now. And there were very frum women 30 and 60 years ago that would never reveal their knees and elbows in public. Even when sitting.
No one should be judgemental about a guy wearing one earing, sleeveless shirt, ,shorts, and tattooed. Don’t judge a book by its cover. He is just as good as a guy with a long rekel, white shirt and hat and tie.
mdd: I believe rikki2 is agreeing with you and saying Negiyah is yehareig v’al yaavor. She quoted oomis1105 to point out the quoted text was wrong. (Unfortunately she forgot to put quotation marks around the quote, making it seem she was saying it herself.)
Is this Rabbi Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer the Eruv expert?
Why does any of this matter?
BT: Their point is that the boys side will simply refuse to pay. And since the boys hold all the cards, they can refuse to pay and you can’t do anything about it. Since the girls need the boys more than the boys need the girls. The boy can always find another girl, whereas (due to supply and demand) the girl will not always be able to find another boy. Since there aren’t enough boys for all the girls.
And what is “brunfen”?
apushatayid: DY’s point is that even if every single Jewish boy in the world would get married, there will still be Jewish girls left over for no one to marry.
And regarding your second point, actually someone DID advocate exactly that. The poster DY was responding to with the comment you quoted.
“we will see who is correct after 120.”
You probably shouldn’t throw the dice and hope to find out if you were right or not after 120.