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Yaakov Doe: Are you referring to a bunch of rednecks in pickup trucks with a few misguided yidden in minivans flying Trump 2020 flags trying to block traffic on the Tappan Zee (aka Cuomo) Bridge and GS Pkway??? There were a few news stories tonight mocking these feeble attempts at Trump Rallies.
Always Ask: Note that I used the word “targeted” payments, NOT another multi-trillion dollar bailout for the world. Recent estimates indicate that up to 1/3 of the $3+ trillion bailouts went to individuals and corporations that didn’t need the money, didn’t really save jobs or to public entities for non-Covid related costs. Every sector of the economy has hired lobbyists claiming they are “essential” and want their share of the $$$. Even with zero interest rates, our country cannot afford to add trillions more to the national debt.
Charlie has been diverted to a top secret assignment to develop statistical efficacy criteria in preparation for the new public health policies that will be implemented on the afternoon of January 20th.
Ben Levi: Other than having reversed the “character traits” of the two candidates, I’d agree with you
Avi K: So we should vote for the Trumpkopf because he has not been found to have done any of the following:
Not to worship idols. (He clearly does, especially those of himself. Never have we had such self-idolatry and adulation).
Not to curse God. (He has been doing it routinely in private meetings and his obsceneities have even crept into his MAGA rallies)
To establish courts of justice. (Hundreds of former U.S. attorneys from BOTH parties have expressed disgust with Trump’s interference with DOJ for political purposes)
Not to commit murder (Well, here I’ll cut him some slack since he never really did stand on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone but if his Covid policies persist, thousands will die unnecessarily)
Not to commit adultery, bestiality, or sexual immorality (There is clear documentation as to the first and the third; unless the Russians have something on tape, I’ll give him a pass on the second)
Not to steal.(Well, some of us would consider having his mar aLago club in Florida charging the government employees who travel with $678/night for a room while he takes his weekend golf vacations mamash g’navah. Some might also question his paying $750/year in federal taxes as stealing from the rest of us who have to make up the difference, Justice Hand’s holding notwithstanding).
Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal (Clearly NOT Guilty on this count since the WH chef has made clear that his Big Macs must be cooked well, well, done).Just to be clear, I’m not suggesting that JB is one of the lamud vov tzadikim either but he pales in comparison to the incumbent.
Trump engages in boorish, vulgar, racist and misogynistic speech and behavior which sadly seems to energize a certain portion of the electorate,, many of whom see their own inner thoughts and feelings “legitimized” because they are coming from the President. The toxicity he has introduced into our political system will take a decade to revers
Why must it be a binary choice? Our political system should be able to put forward leaders who are both decent human beings with no more or less character flaws than “average” as well as having the policy smarts to keep us secure and improve the lives of ALL Americans.
Both parties know that targeted Covid relief is needed for at least another 6-9 months but neither side wants to let the other take credit prior to the election so the nation suffers. I’m not sure either losing side will be anxious to help the other AFTER the results are known so we may still be at an impasse until after the inauguration. Even then, a split congress will make it difficult to find consensus.
I doubt R’ Yosef has a financial interest in טיכל.com. If you were to do a survey in the varbeshe section of a Sephardeshe shul, you would find fewer sheitels than in a corresponding Litvish shul, but that has long been the case. The trend towards taking a second mortagge to purchase an expensive sheitel IS a relatively newer minhag but even then, I doubt R’Yosef was taking the economic issue into consideration.
UJM? Not going to get into a debate on end-of-life medical directives. For another time.
Several lines of Wrigley’s gum including Orbit, the 5 Series you reference and other Wrigley sugar free gum varieties have good hashgacha and are available online. My kids also have raved about bubble gum from Elite in EY (google it) but I’ve never tried it so cannot vouch for its taste or dental visit attributes.
Toi: I wouldn’t want your name on my amicus on a Roe case, whichever way you were to argue. Dems would like to consider Roe as “super-precedent”. Barrett and other conservatives (not sure about Roberts) will adhere to the litmus test Barrett offered and I noted above that a case cannot be “super-precedent” and thus immune from being overturned if there is still ongoing and widespread public debate over its legitimacy. I personally find ANY legislation mandating how we make our own medical decisions a violation of personal liberty while acknowledging that tethering Roe into a Constitutional right to “personal liberty” is likely to be back before the Court within the next year or two. Watch the Mississippi case where the AG is deliberately pushing a case that intentionally violates Roe as a test case for the new conservative court.
Eliezer. Interesting moshol on hakoras hatov. Some of us do fear Trump’s maniacal narcissism and how that night trigger some incredibly horrific consequences for yidden and our country overall. Most here in the CR don’t share those concerns and indeed, anticipate even worse consequences under Biden. While I strongly disagree with some of the anti-Israel policies under Obama (where Biden was there as VP) on an overall basis, I fear Trump considerably more than a Biden administration. If he is elected, I hope to be proven wrong.
Ted Cruz: You namesake has vilified Trump as a “pathological liar”, “sniveling coward”, “utterly lacking in morality”, and “dangerous” to our national security. While I’m not a big Ted cruz fan, hew was RIGHT but he too succumbed to self-interest and has jumped on the train because it serves his near-term political interests. Sorry, but I don’t buy the “hakaras hatov” argument in relation to Trump’s photo-op, self-serving “gifts” to yidden.
“The more risk you take, the more you get rewarded for the mitzva”
Assuming you are taking risks l’shem mitzvah. Taking the risks inherent in voting for a political candidate whose behavior is contrary to most of our values and priorities will likely not get me the s’char of a bigger chelek of olam haboh and likely will have a contrarian outcomeMasks are not a “cure”, don’t prevent all viral transmission but they have been shown by multiple studies cited here by several CR posters to REDUCE the rate and risk of transmission, especially with respect to the aged and vulnerable population. Until we have widespread vaccines later next year, masks are among the tools we have to facilitate reopening of schools and businesses. There are no magic “cures” and the virus itself will not magically “just disappear”. Its crazy we are still having this debate but for having it become one of several proxies for the larger political polarization sweeping the country (e.g. the MAGA rally yesterday in Tampa where Trump mumbled something about “i’ve always been ok with masks” while the crowd a few feet behind him were told that “masks are optional” and virtually all were maskless)
“….every shmuez on hakaras hatov i heard taught me to thank people for the good they do for us even if they did for themselves and even if they are a horrible person…”
Very interesting shitah on “hakaras hatov” that suffers from one potentially fatal (literally) flaw. That horrible person who does something good for yidden one day because his serves his own agenda is not operating on the basis of any principles or civil/social norms and just as easily turn against us in an instant when it serves his interests. Yidden have seen this movie before at various points in history when some of the worst despots and tyrants in history who initially tolerated their Jewish citizens have adopted the most anti-semitic positions with tragic consequences.
“Roe is different because it’s an old case, a so-called “super-precedent.”
Well I’d like to believe that but our newest Associate Justice refused to classify Roe in her listing of “super precedents” such as Brown v. Board of Ed and Marbury v. Madison etc. To be a “super precedent” she argued that the outcome has to be one which is widely accepted, society has come to rely upon it and where there is no longer significant public disagreement. On the latter criteria, she separated out Roe from other cases as one where the Court might still reverse and find that it was “wrongly decided”.
Always ask: Thanks for the facts…sadly, I doubt it will make much a difference to those for whom wearing masks is a sign of weakness, denial of personal liberty and political correctness.
“Kushner violated halacha by advising not to listen to doctors in April…”
Well, his father-in-law is still ignoring the medical and public health professionals. For the past few weeks, the Trumpkopf was a least going through motions of having those seated behind the podium at his MAGA rallies wearing masks while the 90 percent of attendees out front were maskless. If you go on to Fox right NOW and watch the ongoing rally in Tampa, the dozens of attendees seated and crowded together a few feet behind him are all maskless. “No more masks he cried out, we’re getting back to normal…I’m immune….you’ll all have vaccines and miracle cures in a few weeks..Toi: They are not mutually exclusive
se2015. Both the constitution as well as amendments thereto…many adopted decades later. I thought Barrett, at her confirmation hearings last week, did a really decent job of explaining the differences to members of the Senate Judiciary Committee who frequently used the terms interchangeably.
Just to be clear, “originalism” and “textualism” are not the same although both are tools of statutory interpretation passionately advocated and invoked by conservative jurists.
Be careful what you wish for. Recall that in the employment discrimination case decided earlier this year ( Bostock v. Clayton County), the Court majority, including Gorsuch, ruled that federal law prohibits discrimination against LGBTQ workers. Gorsuch is probably the Court’s most vocal proponent of “textualism,” a bedrock conservative view that the meaning of a law turns on its words alone, not on the intentions of those who drafted the legislation. The Bostock case forced Gorsuch to decide between his own conservative social policy beliefs and following the broad language of a landmark civil rights law. Gorsuch didn’t simply honor his textualist approach in Bostock; he wrote the majority opinion
Specifically, that case required the Court to apply the language of the 1964 Civil Rights Acts, which literally forbids employment discrimination that occurs “because of [an employee’s] race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.”
Its fairly clear that the drafters 55 years ago had no intention of banning discrimination against LGBTQs (indeed that probably had no idea of what the Ts and Qs were even about) Gorsuch unabashedly ruled that only the literal text of the statute and NOT the expectations of lawmakers mattered. Thus, he and the majority (liberal justices) ruled that the words of the statute clearly prohibited employment discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity.
I’ll acknowledge this was an anomaly in is generally siding with the conservatives and he is no David Souter but there are other cases coming up where a similiar textualist approach may yield some very unexpected results.Always Ask: Good points in re nomination process. However, the past few election cycles have made it incredibly more difficult for lesser-know candidates to break through given the funding constraints in a Citizens United world and the displacement of old style retail politics by social media. When I look at the great young talent both parties have available versus the geriatric options we have on the ballot, I find it very depressing.
Correction: Barrett didn’t formally “recuse” herself…..she didn’t participate in today’s orders because she “didn’t have sufficient time to review the pleadings”. That means she left open the option of participating should derivative litigation come back to the court after the election.
Today’s 5-3 decisions not to grant expedited consideration of the Pennsylvania and North Carolina GOP petitions to strike down state efforts to extend deadlines for counting mail-in votes (with Barrett recusing herself) must have been a disappointment to Trump. It continues a recent trend to allow legislated changes to state law to stand while striking down judicial changes not authorized in state law. Next up will be the ACA hearings right after the election and decisions whether to grant cert to Mississippi and other cases testing the limits on Roe v. Wade.
And so??? Those who held by sheitels before the “ban” will continue wearing and those who didn’t won’t . I don’t see many women rushing to burn $3,000 sheitels because some Rav decided they were used in avodah zorah. They will follow their own common sense and the advice of their local rav/posek.
To turn the OP 180 degrees, “what happens if Biden wins” and if so, “who will be more disappointed; the Trumpkopfs or the AOCs ??? My own view is that it will be the latter when the left wing of the party realizes that Biden is a lot more centrist and is not going to roll over and allow Harris or the AOCs to dictate policy.
Uncommon Saychel: So you know the hashkafah and level of lamdus of all the posters here in the CR. I’m in awe of your nevius or stupidity, although not sure which is applicable. Yes, there are many frum yidden who don’t agree with those rabbonim who have expressed positive sentiments towards the incumbent and some of us actually exist here in the CR. Its always challenging to express disagreement when someone else’s “gadol” has taken a contrary position. Yes, they are more likely to be MO and also more likely to exist outside the echo chamber that many of you occupy.
The “lesser of two evils” used in a colloquial sense…NOT to imply that either is per se an “evil” person. You are right, perhaps better to say two bad choices. Our nominating and campaign finance systems really make it difficult for the brightest and most talented leadership of either party to come out of the process on top.
Sam: Remember that there are very clear admonitions in the Torah regarding actions one can take to harm themselves. If you wake up on Thursday morning and Biden has been declared the winner or is leading by an insurmountable margin, remember to take a deep breath and remember the frequent words of some anonymous CR poster that “Hashem Controls Everything That Happens”.
Yaakov Doe: While the passions are high on both sides, I don’t think there will be any mass migration to either Montreal or Bnai Brak. Again, its tragic that our choice again in 2020, as it was in 2016, is to choose the lesser of the two evils.
Syag: Just channeling the insane assertions of POTUS and the WH chief of staff. I did a reality check in the past hour. Nearly 75,000 NEW cases in the past 24 hours, hospitalizations trending upin 34 states, ICUs at hospitals in several states in the midwest and west at or over capacity, etc. and Trump is mindlessly running around claiming “we’ve turned the corner” and “its disappearing”. Still holding big rallies where most attendees are maskless (except behind the podium) and ridiculing reporters and others who insist on wearing masks. Criticizing state and local governments who follow his own Task Force guidelines on best practices to control viral spread. While I will give him the benefit of the doubt on the slow responses to Covid earlier this year, his actions and behavior in the past few months have been reckless and irresponsible and a costing lives.
bored guy: The Mods obviously didn’t like your “thing”. I feel your pain.
Yup…..cihopped liver with a big spoon of schmaltz.
And if the Gadolim, shlita, had issued a kol koreh telling everyone to vote for Reb Yosef (aka Crazy Joe+) you would have seen 193 posts within an hour providing multiple shitahs as to why in that case only it would be permissible to ignore the Gadolim and cast a vote in accordance to your beliefs.
Feivel: So this echo chamber is singing your nigun…..maybe next year for hakofos we will be dancing to the beat of YMHA by the Shtiebel Menschen
“Well that’s more than a little disrespectful to someone who is more learned, knowledgeable and deserving of respect than you seem to be”
L’chochma: Are you referring to Trump or did you inadvertently post your response on the wrong thread???
The tragic reality of where we are was acknowledged by Trump’s Chief-of-Staff, Mark Meadows, who waved the surrender flag over the weekend and said we “no longer can control [the virus]” but will hopefully be able to mitigate the mortality and longer-term morbidity rate of those who are hospitalized. We no longer care about the spiraling number of “cases” as Trump said yesterday but we don’t want to talk about “Covid, Covid, Covoid”. We also don’t want to infringe on the personal liberties of real Americans (aka “inconvenience” of my fellow Trumpkopfs)( by making them wear masks. However, if you are hospitalized, we have lots of ventilators and hopefully, you will be fortunate enough to go to a hospital where you can get lots of ZINC with you HCQ and Regeneron. If some die, it will be for a good cause….getting me reelected. i
There have been MANY responsible weddings held since Covid. I have actually been to two in the past 3 months. They were held outdoors, limited number of people and everyone wore masks except for the chosson/kalah and the rav who was mesader keddushin under the chuppah. There was no dancing and everyone seemed comfortable with that accommodation while looking forward to a big reception as soon as vaccines and therapeutics made it safer for all the older members of the mishpachas. It is not worth risking even a single life to hold receptions where masks and social distancing are not enforced, no matter what you think of the risks.
The phone line is ☎️☎️☎️-☎️☎️☎️☎️(not sure we are allowed to post phone numbers). If not, just google thank you hashem (one word) and you can find their call-in number on the website. However, I don’t think its restricted to women only so it may not be what you are look for.
ITZS…..its the ZINC stupid….all this pain and suffering and economic chaos could have been substantially mitigated or eliminated entirely if only the evil medical establishment and their deep state co-conspirators at NIH) would haved pump up the zinc along with the HCQ???
Sorry, I’d rather take the chlorox with a twist of Calabrian esrog (unshaken) while sitting under a high-intensity sunlamp.It depends on which tests are used. The reported rate of false negative results is as high as 30-50% for antigen tests, which is why they are NOT useful as a single test for active infection. False negatives are also higher when the test is given “too early” after exposure. The more costly and accurate PCR tests involving nasal swabs have a false negative rate between 5 and 10 percent if properly administered and analyzed using the proper reagents and lab procedures.
Syag: Its good that so many DO have internet alerts and information sharing. However, during the early months of the shutdowns, there were many posts regarding those in the frum community and schools where such access was lacking. Hopefully you are correct, and those who lacked such access 6 months ago now have greater connectivity to real time information from those they trust.
They say that the Mods are receiving “huge bonuses” for working through the Pandemic. I cannot confirm but THEY are saying that. I am also personally aware of the angst and mesiras nefesh they endure before making a final decision to delete one of my posts.
🤭 you ain’t kidding! – The Masked Mod
The local MO yeshivos already had in-place text and email systems for communicating to parents about everything from snow days to school security lockdowns so adding Covid messaging was really not much of strech. They also have very active parent listserv social media groups etc. that supplement “official” school communicaitons. This could be more of a challenge for some Chareidi schools where the hashkafah doesn’t allow for internet etc. but there are still options using the telephone or designating a limited number of parents (with the approval of their LRP) in each neighborhood or building to receive official online notices. Hopefully, the past few months have reinforced the need for even the most isolated segments of the tzibur to “plug in” and have access to current and reliable information on emergencies that arise.
Are you implying they have to work harder in election years?
This thread has gone off the rails……see you on November 4th when the tin foil MAGA hats (and a few lonely COVID masks) are lying forlornly on the floor of several suddenly quiety ballrooms booked for Trumpopf victory parties and of rationality returns.
Meanwhile, your Yittzy Smith “expert” will still be pontificating as to why he was right and all the other public health experts were wrong(Therve’s more)…
Judy. We can’t wait for installment 2 of Bubba Meiesas from Yenna Velt. Very entertaining.