Gadolhadorah

The reality is that he looking for some way to leave office 18 months early without seeming to be slinking away with a well-deserved reputation as the greatest loser in NY political history. I checked the NYC code and State constitution and did not find any provision providing for removal of a mayor from office in the same manner as the 25th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides for removal of POTUS for physical or mental incapacitation. Fortunately, the late night talk show hosts will have him around to ridicule until 2022.

Syag: As I said, everyone has their own risk assessment metrics. In this cases, mine are quite different from yours. You are obviously free to expose yourself and your kids to whatever risk factors (or lack thereof) your personal circumstances warrant and I wish you well.

Uncommonsaychel: You must have real nevius. That would be exactly my plan but for a government travel ban which currently restricts entry to virtually all foreign travelers other than Australia. Hopefully, they will expand their “bubble” sometime later this summer. They seem to have a bit more seychel over there regarding social distancing, masks, etc. than the lunatics lined up on top of one another on erev shabbos last week in Las Vegas with no masks to grab a place at a slot machine. I was even impressed by their demonstration in support of the BLM movement in downtown Auckland where for the most part everyone was wearing masks and showing some distancing (in contrast to the mob scenes were see here in the U.S.)

My somewhat contrarian comment which confused Syag and drew concurrence from Reb Yosef was really a mix of fact and fantasy. As I’ve noted in other posts, I wouldn’t remotely consider sending my kids off to a sleep-away camp this year under the circumstances. I’m normally not that risk averse but here the risk adjusted consequences (% likelihood of infection X the mortality/morbidity outcomes) make it an easy decision for me. Responsible parents and yiddeshe mosdos (using my metrics) should be planning to find lower risk options for kids staying home this year. Nothing is “risk-free” but but the risks of sending kids to camp at this point have been well documented and the theoretical solutions offered by some camp operators, while commendable, are simply not workable.

Perhaps those posters who blame “the magafah” on the census should share their revelations with the Trumpkpopf. Since his rants and tweets blaming the (Wuhand) Magafah on China have not gotten much traction,, he can float some trial balloons blaming the pandemic on the “deep state” operatives at the U.S. Census Bureau.

Strange that just before scanning the latest posts on this thread, I had read an uplifting story in the news section about some guy named Gary in the Detroit community who had arranged to renovate and distribute thousands of bikes to kids in the community who had been stuck at home for 2 months and just being allowed outside. What an act of tzadakah and kindness. Here were are debating the halachic pros/cons of community members who “informed” on those who violated public health guidelines because they felt their OWN needs were more important than those of the tzibur-at-large. As noted above, I think the informers should be celebrated as heroes and the idiots who endorsed this shunning are the one to be treated as outcasts.

One can tell the Corona fixation is B’H beginning to wane by the titles of some of the recent CR posts. Now we can get back to normal with a focus on the shidduch crisis, WoW making a scene at the Kosel and the latest sighting of moishiach on Eastern Parkway.

Schnitzel: Lots of shops shut down today in Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan. Notwithstanding, the opinions expressed by some in the tziur, the Sherriff’s closings were spread across both yiddeshe and goiyeshe owned small business and there was little evidence of some anti-Semitic tirade by the Mayor. The officers were doing their job and enforcing the rules. Some did stay open without any problems while others were closed for the day. I suspect that Cuomo and the Mayor have gotten the message and will begin relaxing the rules later this week for all small stores, subject to the same rules the big stores had to follow regarding percentage occupancy, social distancing, masks etc.

Haimy: The governor has not focused on yeshivos. All schools in New Jersey, public and private, are under the SAME rules. With few exceptions, ALLl parents want their kids back in school ASAP for the kids’ mental health and their own. Murphy has already said that schools WILL reopen in the Fall even without a vaccine. At this point, there is limited agreement what schools need to do to reopen safely and it will take some time (and $$) for the required changes in physical facilities and operating procedures.

I missed the question mark?? So take my comment (minus the rhetorical reference to POTUS) as a response to your question. As noted, stupid decisions all around back in March that cost lives and now mean it will take a bit longer to reopen NY metro area safely. Too bad this has so quickly deteriorated into another facet of the toxicity of our politics and culture wars.

Yidden don’t need the Trumpkopf to tell us that davening is “essential”, but that is NOT the issue for purposes of whether it is “safe” yet to hold minyanim in shuls that either cannot or will not undertake the necessary investments in their facilities and practices to conform the CDC and state guidelines. The comparison to opening liquor stores is beyond stupid since the latter have able to restrict the numbers of customers in a store at any time and enforce social distancing compared to a shul with dozens or even hundreds of daveners in close proximity. Most importantly, the Trumpkopf could care less about spiritual welfare. This was a political stunt for his right wing evangelical voters since he has ZERO legal authority to “override” state laws and orders. He can direct his AG to file an amicus in court cases or even bring a case in federal court but otherwise, even Republican lawyers agree his statement was a joke.

Lowertuiition: Thank you. Perhaps we should all find some way of acknowledging our good fortune of having come through Round 1 in good health (assunming that is the case) while never losing sight of what has been lost to the tzibur in terms of the almost nightly reports here on YWN of tragedy after tragedy within the frum community .

The only WaWa in our area has a great view of the CostCo parking lot. Lots of smoothies listed on the menu. As far as dating venues, whatever works in your area in terms of privacy, ambience and travel proximity.

Just speaking to a friend on the difficult choices implied by the OP and perhaps staying at home would be equally risky. The kids will still be out on the streets of Brooklyn coming home each day with potential issues and the data show that infants have low infection rates although this new Corona-related syndrome is worrisome.
Sad that we even have to deal with this Hobbesian choice.
To Sariray: much naches and good health with the baby and the whole family whatever choice you make.

I would think that CR posters are clearly on the cutting edge of what is “mainstream” as evidenced by the near total consensus here on most religious, cultural and political issues.

NoMesorah: You are correct….they are now called “smoothies” and cost 3X as much…..still not an ideal place to meet your beschert but out in the boonies, they may have outdoor areas as you say. Just bring lots of hand-sanitzer to wipe down the benches and tables (and your own food if the local WaWa doesn’t have a good hashgacha).

A Baas Yisroel should not be going to a “WAWA” to meet her beschert. Someday, you’ll be telling the eyniklach that, “Zeyde met Totty during the big 2020 magayfah over a Slurpee at the WAWA”…..I think not.

For a change, I’ll come down on the side of Beis Josef. He is correct that the fathers should simply come together, work out a mutually acceptable arrangement for their children to marry and present it to them as a fait acompli’. If they refuse to consummate the deal, they will have to move out of the basement, find a JOB, earn a parnassah and rent their own apartments. This was a proven strategy for clearing out the basement prior to the Pandemic and hopefully will have the same efficacy again once we return to normal. The success rate is obviously a function of finding the most dysfunctional beschert for your son or daughter and insisting that its your way or the highway. You might also offer to pay for the moving van if you are really feeling guilty .

One common mistake made by rookies: Always remove the plastic bag containing the neck and innards from inside the cavity before placing the chicken in the hot oven. This will generally improve the taste and texture no matter what recipe you are using. B’Taavon!!

noMesorah: Yes, 100 percent. A shul (as represented by its Rav and Board) have discretion as to the criteria they will use for selecting those for a kavod. Just as they many choose not to give a kavod to a davener who is a known machalel shabbos or is alleged to have committed domestic abuse, they may choose not to give a kavod to these members who publicly defied the psak of the Rav. End of story. My personal opinion is that they could revoke their membership and deny them entry to the shul, but they chose a lesser form of discipline. A shul is not a democracy and the Psak of a rav regarding public behavior is not a “suggestion”.

The Rogue Minyanmachers are 100 percent entitled to participate in their own minyan contrary to the psak of the Rav of this shul. Likewise, the Rav (with support from the Board of the Shul) is entitled to exclude them from any kavod in that shul. Since they obviously disagree with the Rav, perhaps make their rouge minyan permanent.
Actions have consequences.

The three top experts on the Trumpkopf’s Virus Task Force testified today before a Senate Committee whose Republicans wanted to hype his “Reopen Parade”. Instead, they calmly and professionally refuted his lies about “having prevailed”, the virus “will be gone”, the reopening is a “great success” etc. Once they are off the 5:00 PM nightly “news conference” stage with him, they find their voices and integrity. When Senators asked the director of CDC as to when the detailed “ropening guidelines would be publicly released” he slinked down in his chair and nearly disappeared off the computer screen (Note: He was testifying remotely because he was exposed to the virus at the White House) . Even the Republicans noted that the reopening would move more quickly if businesses had some guidelines to rely upon to insulate themselves from litigation. Instead, he mumbled something about “soon” but would not give a timeline for fear of angering the Trumpkopf. Perhaps they are tired of walking like the clowns at the end of the Circus Parade leaning up after the Elephants.
Ultimately, the question is how many lives is the Trumpkopf willing to lose to push up the stock market before the election. There is plenty of blame to go around on all sides, but this mindless rush to “reopen at any cost” is contrary to his own guidelines. (17 of the 23 states that have begun to reopen did NOT meet the President’s own criteria of 2 weeks of declining infection rates etc. but the Trumpkopf mindlessly cheers them on).