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May 12, 2021 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm in reply to: why should i take the the vacccine if i had the virus already ? #1973931
Numerous undiscussed studies say reinfection is very rare. You are indisputably at a much lower risk than a J&J recipient. If you get reinfected it is basically guaranteed it will be light. You can take the shot to avoid that small possibility. Also there is societal pressure and soon you may need a vaccine passport to do regular activities. I had Covid I took the vaccine for the latter reasons. It’s not a big decision. Do what you want.
I think this is a worthy conversation. But it is very sad to see so much bickering and bashing. Particularly coming out of Av and into Elul.
Read the Baal haturim in bo well. I dont think he is suggesting that when mashiach comes we will be in our homes and prohibited to leave. He is connecting the four mentions of the word yocheluhu. In miluim the connection is less obvious so he explains the connection, that both by mitzratim and milium one cannot leave there home. he doesn’t suggest it will be the same by mashiach. One can suggest that but the Turim probably isn’t, read it carefully.March 19, 2020 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm in reply to: How Corona Taught Klal Yisroel to Make Small Simchas #1841316
We have to be more sensitive to those whose very special day the where planning for a long time was celebrated witjought their family and friend and to those who had to cancel
I suspect it was very widespread. But I am not sure. What I do know is that rishonim and geonim made such predictions. Furthermore I once read that writings of the “dead sea scrolls” said they believed mashiach is imminent.
Gadol hadiora well said but it’s thousands not hundreds of years
Rational and chugibugi no! You can’t call all who predicted the timing of mashiach charlatans or fools. Our great gedolim have made predictions Rav saadia the rambam and many more. Yes it does need to be understood and yes making predictions is a very tricky and dangerous business
What indicates that it is 11:59:58 on the moshiach clock? When is 12:00September 17, 2019 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm in reply to: Jewish people being attacked when it (seemingly) could have been averted. #1787622
I agree with most of the previous postings. The assailant was certainly in the wrong and should be prosecuted. Her actions where unacceptable. We must stand behind the victim that was hit. That being said the way the lady with the camera handled it (although perhaps somewhat understandable in the circumstances) was beyond just not smart it was a tremendously bad idea.
Sam I don’t think student was asking our opinion on why Hashem chooses to run the world the way he does. I think he’s question is why don’t we try harder to advocate for ourselves
“Next, I said that in this generation we should not be actively he seeking people to make baalie teshuvas in the US “
That’s what I don’t like I don’t think we should renege on our moral responsibility to educate our brethren based on your presumptions. I think you are advocating murder (passively) without any serious basis.
I don’t think the last part of your scenario is true Joseph when they become frum they figure out they aren’t Jewish but anyway what is your point
Yes Interjection that is philosophers assertion. Please see my previous comment.
Philosopher how dare you advocate abandoning your fellow Jews. What gives you the authority to abandon your brothers whom Hashem calls his children. Kiruv is something the gedolim encouraged, what allows you to discourage it in 2019 based on your whimsical reasoning.
Excellent laskern that is a proof that the CH brings in gate of reliance to hishtadlus. We all agree that’s a real mitzvah.
Mod we are in the same boat I think he may have been commenting on what I said but I don’t understand his point either
I maintain what I said as well as my diagnoses of the diagnosticians. Hashem runs the world. Our rabbis teach us that all deaths are predetermined. Hot plates, menorAs, waves and cancer don’t kill people, HKBH does. I am not downplaying the mitzva of hiishtadlus. I am merely pointing out the the reason why people tend to stress hishtadlus can be because they cannot cope with the realities of our powerlessness and submit themselves towards Hashem. It is Often not driven by a zealous feeling towards the unique mitzva of hishdatlus, rather a lack of appreciating the relatively unrelated mitzva of emuna. This attitude often if not stated explicitly you must pay attention to the tone of the comments. If you pay attention,you will notice many of these comments will not bother with understanding the details of what actually happened before laying blame on somebody or other. It is a way of making sense of the world. If there is no obvious hazard that can be blamed, they will create new ideas to solve the perceived problem. That isn’t our way. Just like after Israeli miraculous wars we shouldn’t say it is because of the brilliant generals strategy, so too after tragedies our knee-jerk reaction shouldn’t be to blame circumstances. I like what rjh18 said. Do you think there was a sudden lack of carefulness that just somehow happened in the past couple of weeks, or perhaps there is a unique message here from heaven to improve ourselves. If after this realization, it helps motivate us to work on hishtadlus I suppose that is a good thing. But for that to be the immediate response is both wrong and insensitive.
I do agree that acting responsibly is extremely important. And that some people downplay that. I don’t think that is the main message here. But after understanding my previous post I suppose it can be a very secondary message.
Here we go again. The Monday night quarterbacks telling us post facto that the decision upstairs would have been different had people followed their advice. As if we all haven’t gone swimming without life jackets (I’m not recommending it). We all also have menoras lit and fires usually don’t happen. This is the commenters way of thinking: “I can’t accept things are beyond my control therefore I’ll diagnose it. Just follow my advice”. But it’s done under the guise of legitimate religiosity. I’m not saying we shouldn’t take precautions. we should. Listen to your lifeguards advice. But in reality that’s is where the comments come from. Waves don’t kill people those decisions are made upstairs.
I don’t know where you live (perhaps mars) Kiruv is very successful. Although the success may be slowing recently. I think the op raised a thoughtful point.
I think that is a brilliant idea. Prices will go down because of a meat surplus. I will be able to buy more meat for less. I say go for it.
Yes only woman should spend time with kids. Men changing diapers, going to parks and laughing to much with there kids is feminism.
“Neither. I think they do a pretty good job of staying in the center, because I see people complaining they are too liberal and I also see people complaining they are too conservative. This leads me to think they are doing a good job of staying in the center. I see comments with different opinions, and articles with different biases.”
Wich means just means that they are more centrist as far as there readership is concerned. But being centrist among the yeshiva is very much to the right of the general populace.
Who is rabbi Shechter? Do you mean Rabbi (Hershel) Shachter (with an a)?August 3, 2019 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm in reply to: “Kiddush Hashem” Does Not Mean Looking Good by the Goyim #1769045
I’ve heard this claim before. It is false but I won’t bother to bring sources until you do.July 22, 2019 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm in reply to: DO WE REALLY HAVE A GOOD EXCUSE TO LIVE IN CHUTZ LA'ARETZ? #1763182
I live in the U.S. and I believe there are legitimate reasons for living here. Let me suggest however kluger yid, that a way to improve the spiritual decline, is for more frum people to move to EY.
I’m comfortable with the word fools. Pesukim in tehilim refer to those who deny Hashem as fools. the Rambam in igeret Teman refers to believers in jc as fools. perhaps being raised to think foolishly is a kinder way of wording it.
Actually 5ish I think yeshivish rockstar made an important point. Even though we don’t have to take king and die absolutely literally on the modern era. It can be a political leader. Although you did neglect do Adress either myself or yishivish rockstars points directly. Perhaps it is easier to dismiss us.
I agree with you that we don’t know how things will happen. My point is I don’t think it is difficult to conceptualize. Let me present a theoretical scenario. There is a big Baal teshuva movement. Religious Jews also will have many more kids. All or almost all of Israel becomes frum. They elect a gadol as a prime minister. He fights political and strategic wars. Then after fulfilling all conditions, he announces he is mashiach.
It is very simple he will not come and say he is mashiach. He may not even know he is mashiach. He will simply be a godol and do all those thing and then we’ll realize he is mashiach.
I do agree with some of the answers. I don’t think it unusual that you are surprised by a guy doing something out of the ordinary in your circles. I think it’s a incredible that some very “mature” people are being nasty to you for absolutely no reason. And I’m sure they all would be ashamed to talk like that in person. But it’s ok to be extremely nasty (unjustifiably ) over the internet.
I think you are new here, let me explain. The “nasty” is not directed at the complaint, it is a special tone reserved for troll posts and their posters.
Kerevelheint once again thank you for being reasonable and normal. And thank you for doing so from a Lubavitch perspective.
Perhaps I should count my blessings. What your saying isn’t kefira. It prob isn’t even an issur of Navi sheker. It is simply an inability to read a rambam honestly resulting in a misunderstanding of Halacha. All things considered that great!
What is lekutei sichos?
I Adressed the second part of your post several times now. It says once he died they knew he wasn’t mashiach/ knew not figured not guessed not theorized not knew unless there was a second coming but knew. dead people aren’t mashiach.unless you have something further to add I will not bother to comment further.
There are some intricate parts of Halacha this is as straight forward as it gets.
I’m happy you quoted the rambam. He does say clearly as you where kind enough to quote that once someone dies they aren’t mashiach. “He is not the one the Torah promised”. He makes the same point again when he says after bar kochva died r Meir and his fellow rabbis KNEW HE ISNT MASHIACH. You are saying well maybe both of these statements don’t mean what they say clearly that the dead person isn’t mashiach. You decided like you’re like minded friends some millennium ago that there will be (or may be) a second coming. an aside rambam doesn’t at all assem that resurrection precedes mashiach. I can proof this last point if you need me to.
Oh so This fresh piece of nonsense is that the closer you are to being mashiach the harder it is to be mashiach. I see that makes perfect sense. Only an ideologue to whom textual honesty and Halacha are irrelevant inconveniences, could write such a thing. You are the embodiment of something that was always puzzling to me. Ramban describes how it was windy during splitting of the sea so heretic could say it was a coincidence: now imagine that! That sea split in 12 rows perfectly all all Jews cross at exactly the time it had to. Subsequently all Egyptians who went in drown: That seems like more than a miracle than anything we can conceive. It seems like people can be so stubborn they can ignore the obvious to the point of embarrassing silliness.
– [ ] Yeshivishrockstar that is an interesting criteria. One problem is there are Torah sources that don’t seem to fit with that. Chazal say there where unsure about whether or not to teach the ways of trickery to people “woe to me If I teach woe to me if I don’t. If I do tricksters may learn if I don’t they well say we don’t know there ways”. He concludes he should based on a pasuk (a second clear source) “This is the road. the righteous will walk in it and the wicked will stumble in it”. we accept a risk whenever we teach the right way. Chazal say ״Those who learn and leave it are worse than all”. Furthermore, it doesn’t solve the problem. It often isn’t clear the historical significance of a figure or work, until generations or even centuries after the author passes. I am concerned with determining whether or not an existing figure goes off.
The Rambam isn’t an issue with my criteria as he was far from universally rejected at any point for any of his works. He was simply controversial.
I made My point very clearly. please read my previous posts carefully. I will summarize briefly. We know it is possible for great people to go off and the depths they can go to Is limitless. We therefore must establish criteria by wich we would know if a once great person went off. My best criteria would be if a broad consensus of gedolim said that a once great person went off. It is extremely obvious that if the Lubavitcher rebbe would have indisputably said “I am mashiach” a few decades ago and not under duress that a broad consensus of gedolim would have paseled him. I am making this point because many fellow Lubavitcher’s seem to think he is mashiach because he said so(I understand that you dispute this last point).
@ Grass my solution doesn’t assume anything. Nothing is perfect in this world but it is a very good metric. It is much better than for example, assuming you and I will “figure it out”.
Keraveltheint no I disagree. My creteria says if all or virtually all gedolim say the the rebbe of X went off. Than everyone including and especially his chasidim should abandon him. This would be very different than if they said he is a leader Torah authority and qualified to pasken, but I disagree on this particular issue. Same by a posek, if leaders say a certain posek is qualified to pasken aguna questions, but learned wrong pshat in this case, that is very different than saying he is qualified to only teach elementary school Halacha. Once again if you have a different criteria for how to establish if (one again very unusual but possible) a particular gadol goes off I would love to hear it.
That is a reconstructionist reading of the rambam that only makes any sense if you don’t actually read the rambam or conveniently decide to edit it to suit your preconceived messianic feelings. What he says is “once he died he KNEW HE WASNT MASHIACH”.
As an aside,I’m not sure why you assume techiyas hamesim is before mashiach. Rambam says it is after Mashiach so even if we where to delete (or essentially ignore) the previously mentioned Rambam, the timeline still won’t add up.
Kareveltheint has studied the rebbe’s teachings and says he doesn’t say he was mashiach. I will assume he’s right. I am pro giving the benefit of the doubt. Especially by talmidi chachamim and when I don’t know the facts.
I don’t know what the rebbe said. It doesn’t have a significant impact on my life as a non-chosid in 2019. It seems like what you said about not relying on one person as a bases for religion, is identical to what I said. The answer to how we would know if a great person went off.
I don’t believe you followed the proof from the rambam. Rabbi Akiva and his generation knew bar kochva was not mashiach after he died. It doesn’t say they thought maybe he will come back to life and then be mashiach. It says after he died they knew he isn’t mashiach. Once someone dies they are out. It is hard to imagine a stronger proof in Halacha for any concept than the one I just provided
The rambam I quoted earlier. It’s in the second to last chapter of malachim explicitly says dead people can’t be mashiach.
Klugeryid you have the dubious honor of posting one of the silliest things I have seen on this site: Are you saying that that the girls tremendous shame isn’t so bad: That it doesn’t matter that he marriage prospects are ruined. That it’s ok that she was selfishly violated. And your saying all this becomes of your baseless evaluation of the Torah punishment. Wich btw the chinuch explains that that consequence will serve As a deterrent. Jail doesn’t seem to be tremendously effective.
Actually it is Rambam writes that rabbi Akiva and his whole generation all thought bar kochva was mashiach until he died then they realized he isn’t. In other words once you die you’re out of the running. This was always the case until the talmidim of yoshke came along. It also seems to be a trendy way of think in certain CR rooms.
Keraveltheint you seem like a reasonable person. I am genuinely surprised that you seem offended by what I wrote. I never accused The Lubavitcher rebbe of saying he is mashiach. I said I will assume he didn’t say so. In wich case I never said that there is anything illegitimate about the rebbe or else that he want a gadol. All I said was that if he said he is mashiach than he would be automatically disqualified. This should not be objectional to you as you don’t believe he said he is mashiach. Great!
Regarding what you wrote about controversial gedolim, none of the holy people you mentioned where rejected by all gedolim or virtually all gedolim. So my way of defining how to know if a gadol goes off doesn’t apply. If you disagree with my answer that’s fine. But I think it is a very relevant question. Since we established the yetzer hara can get anyone at any stage in life how do you think we would know if someone went off? What is your answer? (once again I think this is a extremely rare occurrence and they certainly have a strong chazaka. but this is a very important question to answer.)
In terms of your most recent post with this whole rebbe influence thing,that you replied to rso. It sounds very reasonable and like you may be referring to how rebbes interact with people through their (the rebbes) mitzvos. but I think you might mean after they die wich sounds strange again. Am I correct?
If you do mean when they’re alive and like I just explained than for once I have no objection with with your rebbes influence understanding.