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qwerty: The entire MO movement is misguided; and that’s being very charitable.
The modus operandi of MO is to water down Judaism to its lowest common denominator to make it palatable and acceptable to anyone.
qwerty, if Rabbi Schachter or Rabbi Willig ever said the State and Zionism was an error or that women should be strongly encouraged to not have a career and be stay at home or that women should not be learning Torah Shebal Peh or that people should not be going to universities these days due to the rampant apikorsus and pritzus or that young men should be strongly encouraged to go to Kollel or that everyone is required to have a strong filter on any Internet connection or that mixed seating at weddings are not permitted, they’d be run out of town by the MO crowd faster than you can say goodbye and be out of their job. They know where their bread is buttered and most toe the line.
Just a couple of weeks ago Rabbi Schachter publicly apologized for a letter he wrote to a judge encouraging that a Jewish prisoner be released. Nothing changed between the time he wrote the letter until he apologized other than the MO crowd got angry at him for writing it.
Please repost it again. It may have gotten stuck in a spam filter.
Yaakov Yosef: It is mandatory that every Torah Jew to make a ??????? against an attack on Bnei Torah, as the above signatories publicly committed in this letter.
somejewiknow: In addition to what you pointed out, the Zionists collaborated and worked with the actual Nazis during the Holocaust to achieve their mutual goals.
The most infamous, but far from only, example is the Kapo Rudolf Kastner working hand in hand for years with Nazi Adolf Eichmann ym”s. Kastner literally worked in Eichmann’s office for years and they met and worked together for years.
mdd: I know firsthand what you erroneously think you know, but are mistaken based on second or thirdhand misinformation.
qwerty: They’re personally frum in their own lives but they’re misguided in how they lead their followers.
These signatories and their so-called letter are utter fools. A bunch of am haaratzim.
If they weren’t Jewish they could credibly be charged with antisemitism.
Agudas Yisroel was founded jointly by Rav Chaim Brisker, the Gerrer Rebbe, the Chofetz Chaim, the Belzer Rebbe, Rav Chaim Ozer Grodzinski, the Belzer Rebbe, Rav Meir Simcha of Dvinsk, Rav Moshe Greenwald (the Arugas HaBosem), the Czortkow Rebbe, Rav Itzele Rabinowitz of Ponevezh, and even the Munkatcher Rebbe(!! though the Munkatcher later withdrew).
You couldn’t get a better full fledged alliance between the greatest of the greatest from both the Litvishe and Chasidishe velts.
mdd: False. The Beis Haleivi was the Rov is Slutsk and he absolutely never prevented that they be buried in the regular Jewish cemetery in Slutsk, where he was the authority. The only thing he didn’t do was use Chasidishe shechita. Nothing more or less.
Ishpurim: You have machlokes rabbonim within every group. Whether the Litvish Ponovezh, the Sefardim, the Chasidim, R’ Yaakov Emden and R’ Yonasan Eibshitz, the Rambam and his opponents. etc. It doesn’t detract from the greatness of all sides.
Of course there are exceptions such as Reform, Karaites, MO, Conservative, Zionism etc.
Lakewood/Brooklyn might be in the $20-$30 ballpark.
DaMoshe: Did you ever wonder why the Litvish Gedolim and the Chasidish Gedolim not only recognize and respect each others shittas, but they jointly sit in the same organizations such as Agudas Yisroel (founded by the very Litvish Chofetz Chaim jointly together with the very Chasidish Gerrer Rebbe) and consult with each other and make joint decisions on bodies such as the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah, since the days of the Chofetz Chaim and Gerrer Rebbe through this very day today?
While at the same time both the Litvish Gedolim and the Chasidish Gedolim freeze out all of the so-called Modern Orthodox rabbis and schools such as YU from their Rabbinic and other organizations, since they have no confidence in the Yiddishkeit of the MO.
DaMoshe: The Gra’s opposition was a generation after the Baal Shem Tov; the Gra’s opposition was to the behavior he heard about in his generation; not that of the generation of the Baal Shem Tov. Indeed, the Gra only issued his public opposition more than a decade after the Baal Shem Tov was already long niftar.
Furthermore, the Gra’s cherem was only against those alive at the time he issued it. The Gra never issued a cherem against later generations of Chasidim, who weren’t even born in his lifetime. In fact, that would have been impossible to do.
The better question is how you feel the right to question disagreements between bona fide tzadikim from hundreds of years before your lifetime, while at the same time supporting and being a part of the so-called “Modern Orthodox” heresy that openly tolerates and supports completely anti-Torah activities such as mixed swimming in MO bungalow colonies and elsewhere, co-ed mixing of boys and girls fraternizing and being friends with each other and having boyfriends/girlfriends, teaching clear full throttled apikorsus in YU and other MO schools, Young Israel synagogues having mixed dancing in their social halls, joining anti-Torah movements such as Reform and Conservative in joint organizations such as the Synagogue Council of America, allowing married women to go around with their hair uncovered and dressed with uncovered legs in public in Modern Orthodox neighborhoods being not only a common sight but the default dress for MO women, and a whole host of similarly terrible **current** behaviors today practiced without remorse and in public by the vast majority of the MO.
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Yaakov: They have more than a few dozen at any given rally that they attend.
Yankel: My only dictionary is Oxford.
Declare Zionists to be Non-Jewish Rodfim and Enemies of the Jews
YYA: Yes; but putting simple quotation marks around your quotes is quick and easy (unlike using bold or italics).
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YYA:
Please put quotation marks around any quote you repost from another poster.
Otherwise readers will mistakenly attribute to you when you are quoting other people (even though you intend to disagree with them).
And, again, for the umpteenth time both Yaakov and Yankel attribute to me what they confused from hearing by others even though I said nothing. In fact, other than one minor comment pointing out the context of someone’s comment, I hadn’t even posted in this thread.
Yankel: Those are individual strategies, with purposes, that do not indicate whatsoever that HaGaon HaRav Menachem Man Shach in any way believed or supported the idea that Chareidi bochorim who are NOT learning should enlist.
The reason disallowing non-learners from regiatering as a learner, is totally obvious: not to risk having the secular government take it away altogether, even from learners, by claiming it is being abused.
And the license issue is also quite obvious; there legally they could be exempted at no cost to anyone else. But the Gedolim were so strong against being licensed that they threatened bochorim who did contemplate getting licensed against the directives of Gedolei Yisroel, something much much worse — being forced into the IDF.
That was successful in stopping those thinking of it from getting licensed; no one wanted to go to the army.
No one is seeking ZSK’s “admission”, as coming from someone with demonstrable krum worldviews, it wouldn’t be worth the paper (or pixels) it is written on.
ZSK even got the very basic facts wrong. The Sephardic rabbis leadership at JTS was quite brief. It completely ended in 1902 when Solomon Schechter, another non-Orthodox apikorus, took the leadership at JTS. Yes, that was 1902; and no one ever considered JTS to be Orthodox any time thereafter. That was long long before apikorus Lieberman joined that openly treif institution.
Faur was a marginal figure in JTS (who quit it in disgust); he and Dimitrovsky (who was not Orthodox) were simply professors there and neither were part of the leadership.
Reform was dominant already in the 19th and early 20th century. By time the Conservatives became larger than them (much later; and which only lasted a relatively brief period), both movements were fully apikorsum.
The European Shtetl may have been materially a difficult place to live, but spiritually it was far far above and beyond any alternative. Better spirituality than materialism. And the churban in Europe was a physicaly one; spiritually it is the direct and unambiguous cause for the renaissance of Torah Judaism in America with the arrival of the European Torah sages to the shores in America.
This is a complete lie, falsehood, canard and fiction. The Chazon Ish and Rav Elazar Menachem Man Shach never ever supported Chareidi men — even though who are NOT learning Torah — from routinely enlisting in the IDF.
The Chazon Ish objection to IDF service was based the army being a secularizing “melting pot” that is an environment as a place of shmad and spiritual destruction, with mandatory exposure to secular culture, non-observance and Shabbos desecration.