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YYA: Your point is redundant. The Yidden in Chutz La’aretz also trust in Hashem. And in only Hashem. No one else.
Which circle of kids from which kinds of families are using this term?
I know, right? People like Rav Moshe Feinstein, Rav Ahron Kotler, Rav Yaakov Kaminetzky, the Chofetz Chaim, Rav Chaim Ozer Grodzinski, Rav Shimon Shkop, Rav Yisrael Salanter, The Ben Ish Chai, ?The Rogatchover Gaon, the Alter of Slabodka, Rav Elchonon Wasserman, Rav Meir Shapiro, The Chasam Sofer, The Vilna Gaon, The Baal Shem Tov, The Noda B’Yehuda, ?The Pele Yoetz, The Rema, The Mechaber, The Rosh, The Rif, Rabbeinu Tam and even Rashi didn’t live in Eretz Yisroel.
You should have been around to correct them all.
YYA: You feel safer there, by comparison, despite October 7 and constant murders, maiming and attacks on Jews every few months to year or two for the last 77+ years?
War isn’t a video game.
More from “To the Butcher II”, Life Magazine, December 5, 1960.
The Setting: Argentina, 1957. Eichmann was living freely as “Ricardo Klement.” Interviewer: Willem Sassen, a Dutch journalist.
?”This Dr. Kastner… was a young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting in the deportation camps if I would close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate to Palestine. It was a good bargain.”
Eichmann said that he and Kastner shared a similar ideology: that the “masses” were less important than the “elite.”
?Eichmann wrote that Kastner was willing to sacrifice the old, the assimilated, and the “weak” Jews to save the “best biological material”the young pioneers who would build Israel.?The Quote: “For Kastner, as for me, it was a question of the best biological material.”
He stated that Kastner knew exactly where the trains were going (Auschwitz). Eichmann wrote: “We trusted each other perfectly… With his great polish and reserve he (Kastner) would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.”
?Direct Quotation: “He (Kastner) agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportationand even keep order in the collection campsif I would close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It was a good bargain.”
Direct Quotation: ?”While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigarette after another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them with a little silver lighter.”
Yankel: Why do you insist upon lying? I never called Hamas anything of the sort.
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PLEASE REVIEW THE LAST TWO POSTS IN THIS THREAD. TYThe memoirs of Adolf Eichmann ym”s were published in 1960 by Life Magazine. Eichmann described Kastner with a chilling “respect.” He called Kastner an “ice-cold lawyer” and a “fanatic Zionist.” This is quote from Eichmann’s memoirs:
“I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal… He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting in the deportation camps if I would close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate to Palestine. It was a good bargain.”
Eichmann essentially confirmed the prosecution’s theory: Kastner (who regularly drank cognac and played cards with Eichmann) traded the orderliness of the masses (“biological waste” in Eichmann’s eyes) for the “best biological material” (the pioneers/Zionists).
Yaakov: In ?????? ?? ????? Rabbi Shlomo Yaakov Gelbman points out that Kastner and the SS officers (Kurt Becher and Dieter Wisliceny) formed a genuine camaraderie. The book emphasizes that they drank together, played cards, and socialized while Jews were burning. The book highlights Kastner’s post-war testimony at Nuremberg on behalf of Kurt Becher and others like Hermann Krumey as the ultimate proof of his betrayal. It says that Kastner testified for Becher not because of a “promise,” but because they were “partners in crime.” It says that Kastner needed Becher to survive and remain free so that their shared secrets (and potentially shared loot) would not be exposed.
The book mentions that Kastner and the Zionist establishment in Palestine actively blocked or sabotaged rescue attempts that did not lead to Palestine. It says the Zionists believed that saving Jews to send them to America or Romania would not help build the State of Israel. They needed “Chalutzim” (pioneers) for the state, not refugees for the Diaspora.
The book brings evidence that the Va’ada (Kastner’s committee) had access to vast sums of money from the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (“The Joint”) and other sources. It states Kastner refused to use this money to bribe border guards or finance underground railroads into Romania (a safer option for the masses). The book points out that Kastner feared that “disorderly” mass escapes would anger Eichmann and jeopardize the “VIP Train.”
It suggests that while the “Blood for Goods” (Trucks for Jews) offer was on the table, the Zionist leadership did not genuinely try to raise the money or fake the negotiations to stall the slaughter, because they were fixated on the smaller, surer “Zionist” victory of the train.
?????? ?? ????? concludes that Kastner was a traitor who sacrificed the 450,000 Jews of the Hungarian provinces to save a few thousand “Zionist assets” and his own family.
That should have read Rav Ahron Schechter who together with Rav Malkiel Kotler, Rav Elya Ber Wachtfogel, the two Satmar Rebbes and other Litvish and Chasidish Gedolim together orgnaized a protest in Manhattan against the State of Israel.
YYA: You’re confusing me with Rabbi Herschel Schachter. He’s the one who wrote in defense of the convcit you’re referring to. I never wrote anything supporting him.
Yankel: There’s no contradiction.
Taking out a small boat is harder than taking out a big boat.
Yankel: I’m not aware of that being the case. On what basis do you assert that?
It appears unlikely as just ten years ago Rav Malkiel Kotler, Rav Elya Ber Wachtfogel, Rav Ahron Schter and other Litvish Gedolim together with both Satmar Rebbes and other Chasidishe Gedolim together joined at a public protest against the State of Israel in Manhattan when they were trying, again, to forcibly draft Bnei Torah.
Yankel: Katner’s defense of Nazi mass murderers AFTER the war in the Nuremberg Trials is quite well known and a matter of the historical record. He was even condemned for it in Israeli courts (the Judge Levy trial).
I definitely recognize you are not defending Kastner.
But aside from the train, read read about the Vrba-Wetzler Report. Kastner knew IN ADVANCE what Eichmann and the Nazis were planning to do to the Hungarian Jews, deport them to Aushwitz and gas them to death, and he yet refused to publicly disclose that information to the Hungarian Jews so that they would otherwise refuse to voluntarily go on the trains to Aushwitz.
mdd: Get over it. In the last one hundred years there might have been only ten “Misngdim”; they virtually do not exist and haven’t for over a century.
The Chazon Ish most absolutely was not a misnaged; he was certainly a full Litvak and not Sephardic, not Chasidic and not Teimani. Of course he had different shittos than Sephardim, Chasidim, and Teimanim. But in no way, shape or form was he ever “against” Sephardim, Chasidim, or Teimanim.
Despite any fantasies you might have.
Shimon: somejew obviously means he davens for the Hamas sodiers defeat and destruction.
Hopefully you do as well.
What is a free ??? ?? ????
Yankel: From what I know (not being the expert) I think that;s accurate. Others simply didn’t consider him to be a godol.
Yankel:
Kastner’s treachery in selling to the Nazis 500,000+ Hungarian Jewish lives in absolutely indefensible.
And what do you have to say about the fact that Kastner was STILL defending Nazis AFTER the war was over, and there were no more even fake excuses for it?
LerntminTayrah:
The Chazon Ish held the Imrei Emes in awe. When the Imrei Emes visited Bnei Brak, the Chazon Ish pushed through the crowds to catch a glimpse of him.
The Chazon Ish had a famously close friendship with the Beis Yisrael (Rav Yisrael Alter). The Beis Yisrael (who was younger) would frequently visit the Chazon Ish’s home. They would speak for hours in private. The Beis Yisrael, in turn, sent his elite Chasidim to discuss Halacha with the Chazon Ish.
The Chazon Ish famously said about the Belzer Rebbe: “He looks like a Malach of Hashem.” When the Belzer Rebbe arrived in Eretz Yisroel after the Holocaust, the Chazon Ish went out of his way to honor him, signaling to the Torah world that this man was royalty. There is a famous account where the Chazon Ish sent a student to observe the Belzer Rebbes Tisch. When the student reported back that the Rebbe sat in silence for hours and barely ate, the Chazon Ish remarked, “That is how a Rebbe eats.”
Shimon:
The Divrei Yoel ???? in fact did authorize and participate in public demonstrations against the State of “Israel”.
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“GadolHadofi”, since his post on AUGUST 13, 2025, literally a majority of his posts have been dedicated to calling me “Joseph Goebbels”, a “Nazi” and “not Jewish”. I haven’t complained till now but perhaps I should have. I think this is highly inappropriate to call someone these vile names.
Can I request that you delete all the posts of his since August 13 that directly call me a Nazi, Joseph Goebbels, etc?
(And not post future such postings?)
Thank you!
See here below for a full listing of all his such posts:
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/users/gadolhadofi/replies
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***** FOR MODS ONLY *****Dear Moderators,
“GadolHadofi”, since his post on AUGUST 13, 2025, literally a majority of his posts have been dedicated to calling me “Joseph Goebbels”, a “Nazi” and “not Jewish”. I haven’t complained till now but perhaps I should have. I think this is highly inappropriate to call someone these vile names.
Can I request that you delete all the posts of his since August 13 that directly call me a Nazi, Joseph Goebbels, etc?
(And not post future such postings?)
Thank you!
See here below for a full listing of all his such posts:
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/users/gadolhadofi/replies
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SR s opinion about rav kuk is well known and not a chiddush at all
Actually, that isn’t true. Very few people are actually aware of the strong words (to put it diplomatically) that the SR said about RK, that I copied above.
DaMoshe:
Apparently Rabbi Schachter “forgot” who the Jewish prisoner was, despite the fact he was all over the news for years in a highly publicized and a highly reported trial; and Rabbi Schachter claims he wrote the letter to the judge asking the prisoner be freed and to end his imprisonment because he thought a 50 year or 100 year sentence was highly uncommon for the crime he was convicted — and that Goyim don’t get such long sentences but this Jew got such a sentence because he was discriminated against as a Jew, which Rabbi Schachter said he found “scandalous”, so he advocated for his freedom.
Now, such a sentence is in fact highly out of the ordinary for this kind of conviction and it exceeds similar convictions by a very great deal, so Rabbi Schachter was in fact correct about his original reasoning (as he explained himself) in writing the letter advocating for the Jews freedom.
But once he got pressured from his crowd, and he needed a face saving excuse to explain why he’s suddenly withdrawing his letter despite nothing changed since he wrote it, so he suddenly decided such prison sentences are really very common, so he explained his original reason no longer applied.
Makes a whole lot of sense, doesn’t it?
YYA: I don’t know what you’re kvetching about. Everything I mentioned about Kapo Kastner is historically documented facts. Even his Zionist supporters don’t deny; instead they try to excuse it.
One thing I didn’t mention yet is that even AFTER the war was over Kastner became a witness in the Nuremberg Trials ON BEHALF OF THE NAZIS who he tried to get exonerated and freed, being the friends Kastner was with those Nazis. And one Nazi Kastner in fact did get acquitted based on his testimony on behalf of his Nazi friend who he testified was a good guy.
Yankel: Correct, I made a typo. I meant to write for months (not years). The Nazis took over Hungary in 1944, months before the end of the war, That’s when Eichmann set up his headquarters in Hungary. And that’s when his Kapo Kastner joined him, working, chatting, smoking and making deals together until Eichmann fled from the advancing Allies.
DaMoshe: You are confirming what I said. Rabbi Schachter wrote a letter to the judge requesting the Jewish prisoner be released. When his MO crowd heard about it they got angry at him. Since they got angry at him, and he needs their patronage, he issued an apology for writing the letter — even though nothing changed between the time he wrote the letter and the time he apologized for it.
Debating whether the Jewish prisoner should be released is irrelevant to the point. Whether you think he should or think he shouldn’t, nothing changed for Rabbi Schachter to suddently change his mind — other than he needs his crowd so he needs to toe their line.
chiefshmerel: There were a small community of Chasidim in Slutsk (mostly Chabad but some Polishe as well.) They were there already before the Beis Halevi become Rov in 1865 and remained there during his entire Rabbanus there. They had a Shteeble near the train station in Slutsk. And the Beis Halevi permitted their burial in the Slutsk Bais Hachaim.
Yankel: It is a documented historical and undisputed fact that Kastner worked directly together with Eichmann, hand in hand out of his office, and they even smoked cigars together, while they were working for their mutual goals. Kastner helped deliver half a million Hungarian Jews to their deaths through Eichmann, by withholding his fore-knowledge that they were being shipped to death camps, in order to get a single train that 90% was composed of his immediate and extended family and his fellow Zionist. The other 10% of seats he sold (including to the Rebbes you mentioned, who paid full price for it.)
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