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I refuse to believe that you posted the name of a person in a respectful post and that they blocked it.
Mods, if I am wrong, please advise and I’ll retract my last statement to HIE. I don’t think I am, but I’ll allow for the possibility.
In the meantime, I think it’s fairly evident that you have, once again, simply made up sources. I’ve asked you repeatedly to back up your statements and you’ve failed to do so every time, instead turning to name calling. When you have verifiable sources, come back and we’ll talk. In the meantime, go learn how to argue civilly.
The Wolf
They take it upon themselves because they realize that that is how they get schar for limud torah.
…. and those that cannot afford to do so should not do so.
The Wolf
HIE,
I’m still waiting for your evidence.
The Wolf
wolf, your behavior is unacceptable here.
Is it? I wasn’t aware that asking for evidence is unacceptable.
In your world, apparently, it’s unacceptable to ask for evidence, but it’s okay to call people twice your age “little shnuck.”
Now, how about providing the evidence that I’ve (repeatedly) asked for, instead of turning this into a name-calling match.
The Wolf
i’m in brooklyn for pesach and yesterday whie walking down ocean parkway i said good shabbos to everyone i passed (like a good out of towner!)ONLY 1 PERSON ANSWERED BACK!!!! can some brooklyner please explain to me where this “minhag” is coming from????
I don’t know what to tell you. I live in Brooklyn (although not in the Ocean Parkway area) and I attempt to say “Good Shabbos/Good Yom Tov” to everyone I pass, and return all greetings given — whether they are men or women, adult or child, Jew or non-Jew.
The Wolf
i spoke to many respected people about this,
Good. So you can tell me precisely who said that this p’sak was universally accepted for 15 years before being “ignored.” You have yet to provide *any* source of information.
I have treated you with respect until now. I see that you are not only incapable of providing proof, you are also incapable of arguing with someone without resorting to ad hominem attacks and name calling.
The Wolf
believe I’ve been patient enough.)
Silly me. I guess plain ol’ tefillah just isn’t effective. 🙁
The Wolf
it was accepted by everyone for a while
I’m still waiting for you to back this up with some evidence other than “my dad says so.”
The Wolf
I must be a very boring person. I have about 40, and most of those are family.
The Wolf
anyway, wolf, you haven’t brought any proof that the velt didn’t accept it
HIE,
You cannot shift the burden of proof to me. It is up to the one making the assertion to prove his/her statement, not the other way around. For example, if I claim that the Invisible Pink Unicorn exists, I can’t ask you to disprove it — it is up to me to prove that it exists.
In this case, you are the one who made the assertion that EVERYONE accepted this p’sak. The burden of proof is on you, not I.
The Wolf
Chayav,
No one forces the kallah’s parents to do anything. If they can’t afford support, then they (obviously) shouldn’t give it.
The Wolf
Mods,
I see
Mods,
Fair enough… I’ll accept it for now. 🙂
The Wolf
Also fair enough, if I see it. Post your link, I’ll look at it now.
Mods,
I don’t understand why my post was edited.
The Wolf
edited. Sorry. You made your point to him, the rest seemed unnecessary.
its a fact. my father told me it was an accepted thing and then people went against it. it trust him
You may trust him, but *I* don’t have to accept it.
So, I ask you again, please provide some proof (other than “my dad said so”) to your assertion that EVERYONE accepted this p’sak.
The Wolf
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the velt did and then people after went against it, not immediatly.
I highly doubt that. Please provide proof to this assertion that EVERYONE accepted the p’sak.
The Wolf
The velt did accept Rav moshes psak
Obviously, because there are people who use the eruv, the “velt” did NOT accept the psak. Unless you define “velt” as “those with whom I agree with.”
The Wolf
I have found that those who protest too much or are in other people’s business are usually those who have many, many skeletons in their closets.
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walton, i have found the opposite. that those who fail to protest are the ones who are similarly guilty.
There’s no universal rule one way or the other.
For example, I *hate* it when people talk during davening. It’s one of my pet peeves. Yet, I will not rebuke those who do*. It’s just not my nature to rebuke people (other than my kids for whom I have an absolute and direct responsibility). Instead, I’ll just sit and stew in silence and anger over it — but I will NOT say anything.
And, for all my faults, I can state with 100% conviction that talking during davening** is NOT one of my faults. I’m VERY careful about that.
The Wolf
* I actually did say something to someone a few weeks ago — for the first time — and immediately regretted doing so. So, no more.
** Talking during laining is a different matter. There I’m worse than everyone else — but that’s different than talking during davening.
FWIW, I got my dream Kallah… and she still is to this day.
The Wolf
How about just davening to HKBH to find the items?
The Wolf
you people dont think i wont argue anymore, but i am 100% sure that there are 1,000,000 frum jews in the US
You’re entitled to that belief. You’re also entitled to believe that you’re the King of the UK. But that doesn’t make it so.
Just out of curiosity, why is it *so important* for you to believe that there are a million frum Jews in the US when other posters have brought figures that show it to not be the case?
The Wolf
My grandparents were all born in NYC. All eight of my great-grandparents were in New York City by 1912. So, for me, any victims of the Nazis (aside from my grandfather’s brother who died fighting in the US Army in Europe in 1944) are least four generations back. I have no doubt that there were some distant relatives of mine who died in the camps, but I don’t know who they were.
The Wolf
Wolf: I didn’t mean that it is assur, but on the other hand I am not aware of any source in Gemara, Sefrei Halacha or Sifrei Minhagim that it should be eaten So I am surprised that some people consider an antidote to the “poison” of maror an intrinsic, or “best” part of the whole Pesach.
There’s no source in the Gemara, Sifrei Halacha or Sifrei Minhagim about singing Dayenu, yet most families do it and some people view it as the highlight of the seder. So what? The OP happens to like the taste of charoses and, for him/her, it’s the best part. For me, it’s not. Live and let live.
The Wolf
The Wolf
Thank you for giving this topic a little clarity!
You’re welcome. But it should also be pointed out that even if the OP was unfair in his/her choice of words in the title, it does not excuse those who may be unethically gaming the system (assuming the OP’s accusations to be true).
The Wolf
I have no idea whether the accusations of the OP are true or not, but I do believe that the title is misleading. Saying “Community Effort…” implies that the entire community is actively conspiring to commit fraud. I don’t believe that to be the case. I believe that even if the OP’s claims in his/her post are true, it is far more likely to be individuals gaming the system and NOT a true community effort.
The Wolf
your a tzaddik
Didn’t your parents ever teach you that lying is bad?
The Wolf
I’m going to work.
Yes, I know that some people will say that my going to work on Chol HaMoed makes me a rasha who doesn’t truly value the Yom Tov. 🙁
The Wolf
survey was of jewish HOMES
Read it again. The population of those homes was 529k. There weren’t 529k homes.
The Wolf
HIE,
According to the National Jewish Population Survey (February 2004), it was estimated that the total population of Orthodox Jewish homes in the entire United States was 529,000.
That, mind you, is the entire country. There is simply no way that there are 1 million frum Jews in New York.
The Wolf
Is charoses not the best part of pesach?
No, it is not.
Charoses in not eaten
I am not aware of any halacha that says that charoses cannot be eaten during the meal or at any other time during Pesach.
But then again, knowing me, if I think it’s permitted, it’s probably actually forbidden as yehoraig v’al ya’avor.
The Wolf
Once.
But I wouldn’t advise that anyone follow anything I do l’halacha.
The Wolf
I eat g’brokts (ah, the benefits of being a ba’al teshuva — I get to pick my own minhagim*), but I’ve got to say that I’m appalled at the selfishness and lack of consideration for others shown by the person in aries’ story.
The Wolf
* Actually, my mother picked the g’brokts/non-g’brokts issue, but same thing…
Even though I use wine for all four cups, I use a low-alcohol wine, so I don’t get drunk.
But then again, since everything I do is wrong anyway, perhaps you shouldn’t take any lessons from that.
The Wolf
I complained about this three months ago here on these forums and one poster basically told me (in essence) to stop complaining because the person disturbing me by davening loudly was right and I was wrong.
The Wolf
bavrafen
Please forgive the ignorance, but I don’t believe I’ve ever come across this term before. Please define.
Thanks,
The Wolf
It is also illegal in most states.
Depending on your definition of “child,” it’s actually legal in just about every state with parental permission.
The Wolf
what r u doing 4 supper right b4 Pesach?
Eating.
The Wolf
Additionally, what do they do in your shul (at what point, before aleinu),
In our shul, it’s done after the last kaddish is completed.
On a side note, I find it very disturbing when people talk during the announcements. There are two problems with this:
1. It prevents people who want to hear the announcements from doing so.
2. It’s disrespectful to the person speaking. It just a simple lack of derech eretz.
Fortunately, they don’t do this in my regular shul, but I’ve seen it in other shuls and it disturbs me.
The Wolf
would you or not? isnt it awkward when you go for shabbos and its just you?
And what if she was the last (as opposed to only) child? Might you not have the same problem?
and what about the fact that your kids have no cousins or aunts/uncles?
Why? Are you also an only child?
And so what?
The Wolf
No, watching a movie is inherently no worse than reading a book. However, the vast, vast majority of movies have either inappropriate images, so-called “morals” in direct conflict with those given to us by the Torah, or both. So seeing as 99% of movies are inappropriate for a frum person, some have taken the prudent move of not watching any movies at all.
That’s fine… I don’t have any argument with someone who discriminates based on content… we all do that — even if we don’t agree where, exactly, to draw the line. Stuffed Cabbage’s post made it seem like the very medium itself distances one from HKBH, regardless of the content. That was my challenge to him/her.
The Wolf
show me a theater that’s showing Twelve Angry Men and i’ll show you a very surprised facial expression.
You’d be surprised. I don’t know of a theather that’s showing TAM right now, but there are plenty of theaters around NYC that show old movies.
When Eeees and I saw Gone With the Wind (a 1939 movie), we saw it in a theater. They even showed a civil-war themed Bugs Bunny cartoon beforehand!*
The Wolf
* It was common practice back in the day to show an animated cartoon or two before the main feature.
Really? If you don’t mind me asking -which ones? Smoking is usually the cause or exacerbates many long-term conditions.
I’m not at liberty to say. Trust me when I say that she would have had a long and complicated medical history even if she never smoked a single cigarette in her life. The fact that she does smoke adds additional problems, of course, but her main medical problems cannot be laid at the doorstep of tobacco.
The Wolf
It would stand to reason, any long time smoker will have many medical conditions. All the more reason to quit. Let her ask her PCP about combining the patch with Chantix and/or Zyban.
She has serious and long-term conditions that are completely unrelated to smoking.
Considering that she has tried to quit in the past, I have no doubt that she has discussed some of these options with her doctors. Nonetheless, I will mention these to her when I next speak to her.
The Wolf
in most schools there are alot of people enough that i would not be able to identify you in any way by knowing the yeshiva you went to!!
WADR, I’m in a better position to judge whether or not someone would recognize me.
The Wolf