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Oh noo, PLEASE don’t leave! We’ll even compensate you!
What a kind and caring post! And seemingly unprovoked. I hope you don’t mind if we delete that for you.August 6, 2023 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213795
The Rebbe made it a point to base everything he said strictly on Torah sources. I already made mention in my post(s) that the MIDRASH (by Rabbah, a Tanah) is cholek explicitly on that Gemara, and in this instance halacha is like the Midrash. And if you were to even so much as glance at the iggeres that I sourced/linked, you would see that the Rebbe doesn’t ch”v make up his own views regarding these topics, but bases them on TORAH SOURCES like other Tannaim etc. who resolve the difficulty… You know how pilpulim work don’t you? Just like some Lubavitchers on here like mentioning explicit Gemaras but then you and others bring up other Gemaras to explain their misunderstandings…yeah, kinda like that in a way, but much more lamdishAugust 5, 2023 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213619
Sorry for the third post – I tried looking up the said Iggeres and found it here:
I don’t have time to read through it in depth, but a cursory browsing shows that there are MANY MORE sources which can be brought up as questions to the Rebbe’s claim, and the Rebbe goes through all the available sources in this letter to back up the claim that indeed all Yisroel will be redeemed, including reshoim… If you have the time it’s worth a look, and I’d love to hear your thoughts on the letter if/after you have done so.August 5, 2023 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213618
If you’re looking for a more source-based answer, here is what I got from a good friend of mine (who is much more knowledgeable than I am – I got this answer within minutes of me asking him…):
If you look in Shemos Rabbah – and the Halacha is like the Midrash in this case – in שמו”ר פ’ ג, ו it actually explains exactly the opposite of the way it’s described here
– if it means anything to you, the Rebbe has an in depth sicha on this Midrash – likkutei sichos 11 Parshas shemos, sicha 1.
Furthermore, there’s an iggeres (a letter) by the Rebbe on the topic on the matter – Igros Kodesh 1, ieggeres 85
I don’ thave access to my books right now or I’d gladly quote from there at least the sources…August 5, 2023 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2213613
Regarding the supposed “contradiction” from Sanhedrin 111a. –
The hekesh is from the Redemption of Mitzrayim- when all those Yidden (other than the 2 out of 600,000) died, and specifically during the plague of Darkness so that no one would have to witness this.
IOW, it is not that ch”v any Yidden were denied the ability to leave Egypt during the actual redemption, and had to stay back…all the Yidden who were alive at that time indeed left (and there is even a [midrash?] telling of how dasan and aviram stayed back for the parting of the sea, and Hashem split it open once again JUST for these two (reshayim though they were). – it’s a separate question how it is that they left Egypt, if indeed they were the reshayim that we know them to have been…
So too, as per the hekesh, we can conclude that all those Yidden who are not part of the 2/600,000 who will be alive for the redemption, will indeed be redeemed, whereas the rest will have to die some other way, presumably in a fashion unnoticed by the general public (as per the original redemption from Egypt)July 23, 2023 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm in reply to: The final word on Moshiach from the meisim (hopefully!) #2210360
I take issue with what you say…
I’m not the biggest lamdan, unfortunately – I wasn’t in yeshiva long enough to reach the higher classes of limud, but quite a few of my friends, in this Lubavitch/Chabad yeshiva, are extremely well versed in Rishonim, Achronim, Ge’onim…Some of them, younger than I at the time, were well versed in several tractates, to the point that you can show them a Rashi/Tosfos and they’d instantly give you a lengthy pilpul (including chidushim by the Lubavitcher Rebbe) without so much as a minute to review the contents of the page (I have seen this several times with my own eyes, sometimes to questions I have posed to them myself). This is not to mention the ramim, whose classes would be your typical hour and a half of chakira into a Rashi, line of Gemara, Akiva Iger, or the likes.
It is not very well known, I suppose, but the Lubavitcher Rebbe was adamant that Chabad yeshiva bochurim be well versed in Gemara, Halacha, etc., and that they should write chidushei Torah (to this day a booklet is printed in every Chabad yeshiva with chidushim from the students, some chidusim in Nigleh, and some in Chassidus).
So no, the issue isn’t that Chabad doesn’t learn these things. It’s that the “face of Chabad” is a bunch of simple minded children (whether adult children or physically young children is irrelevant) who give the rest of Chabad — that part of it which rarely browses the internet, like me, and which doesn’t take any interest in mindless debates regarding things which were never really emphasized by the Rebbe to the extent that these crazies make it seem — a bad name…
I give in to my curiosity once in a while and browse over these forums, with a mixture of entertainment and sadness playing a symphony within me as I read…and once in a while I make it a point to emphasize those of us who belong to a group within Chabad which does its best to stay true to the true path the Rebbe ztz”l left for us as our leader, living up to his example.July 2, 2023 3:24 am at 3:24 am in reply to: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher #2204789
Makes me very happy to see a Torah-based kuntres on this matter having been published, bli shum kesher to whatever Chabad chassidim claim to hold as an agenda today (I’m still adamant that it is not at all within Chabad agenda to davka hold the Rebbe as mashiach in the manner that has been a subject for such violent discussions over the past few decades), I’m happy that a topic that is a subject of such division has been dealt with in a Torah-true way.
I’m now waiting for someone to make such a kuntres regarding sleeping in the sukkah (I thought of doing so myself in a brief manner, but haven’t found the time for it). Oh no…did I just revitalize the flame in this thread that has nearly died down? whoopsiedo.
So coming from a Chabadsker, you actually haven’t named most of the major issues people have with Chabad, and which [geniuses – lashon sagi na’or] like you can’t ever seem to explain even according to the Rebbe’s own lamdus, constantly citing shallow understandings of sichos and jabbering about childishly about how the Rebbe is the greatest and therefore… even your engagement in such shallow discussions (on your part – the rest of the community here have legitimate questions and complaints) is completely hefech everything the entirety of the Chassidic movement (and thus Chabad as well) stands for, and in particular the Rebbe’s derech…since when do we engage in nonsensical petty arguments and debates?
Some of the more major questions aimed at the Chabad derech are:
Not sleeping in a Sukkah, which is seemingly a chiyuv d’Oraisa
Eating before davening, which every other Yid on the planet who grows up in a religious home, is taught is not allowed kepashut
Not eating seuda Shlishis, which every other Yid on the planet is machmir on, nearly every shul provides it except Chabad etc…
The ubiquitous (albeit not majority) notion that the Rebbe, who has been buried at the Ohel (deny it all you want – you will only make yourself unworthy of any intelligent response) will come back and be Mashiach…
For the most part the other taanos are just silly and unworthy of discussion. Like the notion that Chabad don’t learn Gemara and so on…the amount of people I can name amongst Chabad Chassidim who know entire masechtos beal peh, bkiyus in rishonim, achronim, some friends who have encyclopedic knowledge of Shu”A, including several poskim of the previous generation…. Other taanos follow suit in their silliness, and it is only thanks to mindless yapping children such as you (as well as CS/chabad”shlucha” [though what exactly is the “shlichus” of bickering nonsense about the Rebbe and Chabad which the Rebbe himself did not stand for] and others), that the taanos as silly as they may be, are apparently validated for the eyes of the internet browsing world….
In Israel there’s an organization called Or Habayit – one in the South and one in the North, you can try that if it’s relevant to you
I have just seen CS’s response and I am horrified. To say this in the name of Chabad is ludicrous, and certainly atrocious!
There is an organization FUNDED BY CHABAD which I noted called Or Habayit (it is not Chabad run, only funded by, and SUPPORTED BY Chabad rabbanim, very many mashpiim etc.) – and Mashpiim will ALWAYS refer the couple to a PROFESSIONAL! The Rebbe himself sent people to therapists of all sorts – including marriage counselors – and would give the general advice that this should be done, (only with the caveat that they be religious, so that they appreciate the importance of religious issues that come up etc. etc. etc.).
CS (Chabad Shlucha in the past, I believe) You have discredited yourself time and again from speaking in the name of Chabad, a huge organization that has official voices, and you certainly do Chabad no good with the nonsense you spread in its name….horrifying to say the least.
CS…chabad shlucha is here to give the Rebbe a bad name again…great…
Also consider Northern Israel…
Haifa has lots of Chassidisher neighborhoods, there’s also Kiryat Shmuel around Krayot area.
There’s Chatzor, too, and Tzfas…depends a lot on work as well, worth looking into relevant job opportunities in various places, but all in all the above northern towns are generally much much cheaper. (you can probably find a nice 3 bedroom apartment in Kiryat Shmuel for around 4500)
Please, random individuals who anonymously post things in the name of Chabad doesn’t constitute what “Chabad” thinks.
In fact, random Chabadniks who you may have met and who claim to expound upon the teachings of Chabad without showing any sort of depth of knowledge of the subject matter at hand, aren’t either true representatives of “Chabad” itself. There may very well be a minute group of people who represent official Chabad, but Chabad is a gigantic philosophy and way of life expounded upon in thousands (if not tens of thousands) of works over 200 years…not a bunch of baal teshuvas who learned a few maamarim from rabbis who themselves never understood Chassidut, and go screaming subjective facts (yes, an oxymoron) at the world….definitely not…
I agree…I’m a Lubavitcher and I find this offensive…and silly…and other things I don’t have time to think of how to express….and takka it’s the opposite of what Lubavitch represents (a tiny bit more self confidence…)
I’ll say this: if your feeling good about yourself is dependent on what random people from random places write anonymously about a group you associate yourself with…start learning more Chassidus, and try finishing Likkutei Dibburim from start to finish (and even if you already have…you’re obviously young enough to read it again and it will have new and different meaning every once in a while).
BehatzlochoApril 5, 2022 10:53 am at 10:53 am in reply to: Is there any difference between a religion and a cult? #2075618
Ok sure, let’s define; what is a cult? (in other words, what exactly are we talking about before we go down a whirlpool of each of us giving lists of points that are completely irrelevant to that of the other? Let’s make sure we’re talking about the same things before proceeding. What exactly, then, is a cult as you are intending?)
(Hebrew based joke:)
Breslover goes to a gas station to pay.
Confused clerk: umm.. ashrai?
Why did the pe’ah and the bikkurim go out to play? Because they didn’t have a shiyir!
Mods didn’t let my other Lubavitcher jokes on, so let’s see about these:
How many Lubavitchers does it take to change a light bulb? Ehhh the old one’s still good…
How many Meshichistim….? The old one never died!
How many anti-meshichistim…? They prefer to live in the dark!
How many Russians? Two. One to hold the lightbulb, and the other to drink until the entire room spins!
How many Mossad agents does it take to change a light bulb?
We’ll never know…
In Israel the Blonde jokes are all about Kurdim…and I have to admit that it tends to be very true…so place your “not smart person” term in the following joke as you prefer:
A “person” is shopping around the grocery store, when he notices an odd, almost futuristic looking object on the shelf. Calling over a clerk, he asks him to explain what it is.
“That,” says the clerk, “is a Thermos cup!”
“Woooow….that sounds awesome! What does it do??”
“Well,” explains the clerk, “that keeps hot things hot, and cold things cold..!”
Impressed with the prospects of such an invention, the “person” buys two of them.
Later that week, he’s at work, holding his Thermos cup in hand and feeling like the king of the world, legs up on the desk and everything. Along passes the boss when he notices his employee with a strange looking cup on his desk. “what’s that?” he inquires.
“This,” the “person” answers smugly, “is a Thermos cup. It keeps hot things hot and cold things cold!”
“Oh! Sounds really cool! And what, if you don’t mind me asking, do you have in their at the moment?”
The “person’s” smug smile turns even wider. “Coffee and two popsicles!”
A typical father suddenly remembers it’s his daughter’s birthday….today! Barely finishing work that day, he runs to the toy store and quickly runs over to one of the workers there.
“Please! You have to help me! I need a birthday present for my daughter, what do have to offer??”
The man takes him over to the Barbie section. “Here we have Barbie goes shopping, for $47. And here is Barbie goes on vacation for $42…. Oh, and this here is Divorce Barbie, for $480.”
“Wait a minute,” the father stops the seller, “could you please explain to me…why is Divorce Barbie so much more expensive than all the others??”
Well, explains the seller, “you see, Divorce Barbie comes with Ken’s car, Ken’s house, Ken’s furniture…”
Rabbi is taking a stroll in the park…on Pesach. He notices a blind man sitting on a bench, taking out a sandwich to eat for lunch. Well, blind as he is, the sandwich slips out of his hand and scatters all over the floor.
Feeling terrible for the poor blind man, the rabbi checks his pockets for anything worthy of eating that he might offer him. Since it was Pesach, all he could find was some matzah, but it was better than nothing.
Handing the matzah over to the hapless man, the latter grabs it and begins to feel it all over, examining it in all directions. After a few moments of this, he exclaims, “who wrote this nonsense?!”
Name just 3, plese! Just three! (Miyut ribui = 2, and many = at least 1 more…so 3 =])
A famous vort by the Lubavitcher Rebbe tz”l:
The response to the ben Rasha is, if you were there, you wouldn’t have been redeemed with everyone who left Egypt…
The diyuk is IF YOU WERE THERE, but since Bnei Yisroel have received the Torah, we became a holy nation, and sons to Hashem, and therefore in the future Geula, even the ben Rasha will be redeemed!
Upon request I’ll mention some more vortlach, there are tons…
The name of the Chossid I mentioned was Reb Mordechai Liepler
I won’t bother reading the entire thread until now, so sorry if my answer is repetitive…
In the time of the Alter Rebbe there was a group of Jews called “misnagdim” (mitnagdim in sphardic Hebrew), who called themselves thus on account of their opposition to the ways of Chassidus, since at the time it was still new and they had some shaalos on it. These mitnagdim were the ones who, for example, made a libel against the Alter Rebbe in order to send him to prison in the first place.
When the Alter Rebbe was released, he was supposed to be sent to the house of his chossid (the name of the chossid escapes me at the moment), who lived on the top floor. The authorities who escorted him, however, accidentally brought him to the same address, but the bottom floor, where there lived one of the more serious misnagdim. Well hachnasos orchim is hachnasos orchim, so he served them both tea, but commenced to berate the Alter Rebbe’s rabbi and teacher, the Maggid, and the whole tnua of Chassidus in general. The Alter Rebbe listened and did not respond with his head buried in his hands.
The chassidim who were waiting upstairs eventually realized what must have happened, and went downstairs to rescue the Rebbe…The Alter Rebbe said something about showing kavod to baal haachsanyia (if any of these details are important to you I can look up the sources…), made a brocho and drank the tea, then left.
Since it was already after shkiya by that point, and the Alter Rebbe technically wasn’t “freed” from his imprisonment until leaving the house of the misnaged, where he had to suffer hearing so much against his teacher etc., then it is considered as if the “finalization” of the geula was on chof kislev.
Today B”H no misnagdim exist, since all the shaalos and kushyos they had were answered on several occasions (the debate in Minsk, in Shklov, and others, with the Alter Rebbe himself), and Chassidim and Litvaks have had numerous opportunities over the years to work in full cooperation with each other. Any hisnagdus on anyone’s part today is simply a matter of ignorance and nothing more.
Yes! We did this too for our pidyon not long ago; apparently it is a minhag that many Lubavitchers keep as well.July 4, 2019 8:52 am at 8:52 am in reply to: When did Chabad become a Kiruv oriented Chassidus? #1752534
Defend Chabad and the like sound like either a. A teenager (at least mentally), or b. A Baal teshuva who began being part of the Chabad community sometime in the past few years, in which case he should have no say in such huge matters as the ones being discussed, or c. a combination of the two.
There are so many things wrong with the points being spewed around here…
In all my years of going to gatherings, hearing rabbonim in the Chabad community (you know, the ones who are actually knowledgeable in Shas, Shulchan Aruch, Chassidus, etc), and hearing Chassidim whose opinions are heard and respected within the Chabad community —and, more than anything, from my modest knowledge of Chassidic works—after all of that I have never seen such views as expressed by many individuals here speaking in the name of Chabad.
I wouldn’t care to so much as respond, but considering the many readers who might be exposed to this nonsense I find it right to say something anyways, just in case.
At any rate I’d absolutely love to have a conversation with some of these individuals in order to try and set some things straight… Pains me to see it.
What do you mean by “holiness”?May 15, 2019 6:55 am at 6:55 am in reply to: How did Chabad change from being Anti Zionist to Pro #1727187
I’m just going to answer the OP without going through the other posters (I mention this in case my response reflects a message I wouldn’t want to make, in light of previous responses), as a Lubavitcher:
It’s sort of the difference between “Lekatchila” and “Bedieved”. To begin with, the entire tnua was anti-Torah (……), but once there is already a state, it hardly helps to fight against it, and so the stance is preserve and nurture that which accommodates true Torah values.
To emphasize: even today, Chabad’s stance is NOT to embrace the said tnua of Zionism. Rather, as it stated, the stance is to embrace that which adheres to Torah, notwithstanding Zionism in its anti-Torah image.
This is similar to Chabad’s stance towards Reform Jews/Judaism. Towards the tnua, no recognition whatsoever. Towards the Jews– we treat them as any Jew.
Hold on, please clarify what you mean that he wanted to sacrifice a korban Pesach? And how is it relevant to the Pesach Sheini?
And isn’t it true that the Jews were never *mechuyav* to offer it? It was only a chance for those who were tamei during regular Pesach, no?April 28, 2019 9:44 am at 9:44 am in reply to: “Acharon shel Pessach” – No other Yom Tov is called so, why is it called that? #1719774
It is explained in Chassidus (and if it is, like, REALLY, extremely important to you then I’ll gladly dig up the sources, including the sources in Nigleh — i.e. Gemara, Rishonim, other classic works) , based, of course, off of various sources, that an entire inyan is included in its opening, and subsequently in its end. For instance, the beginning of the Gemara will as a rule include within it concepts that pertain to the Maseches as a whole, and its ending can be traced back to it as well, as a sort of “stamp and closure”.
Well, Acharon Shel Pesach isn’t just its own holiday. You see, this is in contrast to, for example, Shemini Atzeres, about which the commentaries (Rashi…) explain, that it is like a King whose son must go away after being with his father for a week. So the King asks him to remain for just one more day; Shemini Atzeres has its own inyan, its own vorts, and so forth. Acharon Shel Pesach signifies the culmination of the entire Chag; that is why in many sources it is related to as a holiday of Geula, of our future redemption. Since the first part of the Chag, Leil Haseder was mostly focused on our redemption from the Land of Egypt, and the continual redemption even today (bekol dor vador chayav adam lehar’ot et atzmo…; hashata avdin…), now this last part is more focused on the future redemption BB”A.
That is why it is called specifically Acharon Shel Pesach, to signifiy that it is the ENDING and SUMMATION of the entire point and Chag of Pesach, that of redemption and freedom from our chains, whether physical or spiritual.
I’ll be happy to provide sources/elaboration upon request.April 28, 2019 8:51 am at 8:51 am in reply to: Does anyone know where to obtain yeshivish clothing on the West Coast? #1719780
If you want a store that’s customized for the Orthodox Jewish community, look up places in Fairfax, Pico-Robinson, and just LA in general. Ask a random Orthodox Jew in the street if you will!
If you’re just interested in black pants/white shirt/suit…try Macy’s…Kohls…JC Penny…many good deals and nice clothes. I think the majority of my white/black clothes are from Macy’s. They have 2 shirts (short shirts too! for the summer months coming up…LA gets pretty hot!) for 50$. Good shirts, too!
Certainly I disagree with the OP’s statements when understood in a literal, shallow sense…I wonder, too, at his intentions but I decided to take his question at face value…
Regarding all statements mentioning “Misnagdim” (and “Misnagdim vs. Chassidim”), it is important to understand that these days, when the real, hard-core Misnaged of two hundred years ago is not at ALL what exists today. The terms refer to the concepts behind them. For example, there are many “chassidim” who are really not so much chassidim! (Many of whom you can easily find hanging around the CR…) don’t wanna get too much into here though…
Now, when you really, REALLY dig down deep into the kishkes of the concepts, Gan Eden vs. Olam Hazeh really are opposing emphases between the two parties, VERY ROUGHLY speaking. That is, if you speak to your average Litvisher Yeshiva bochur (and I have spoken to no small amount of them, from various backgrounds, and have heard many, many others spoken to as well), it is not uncommon to find that the end-goal, the ultimate purpose, is to, say, be a Talmid Chochom. Or, perhaps, to gain schar mitzvah and so on and so forth.
Now, Gan Eden is representative of a concept of receiving reward for your actions; of GETTING to some kind of compensation for your actions etc. And this, in effect, is ultimately the same as being a Talmid Chochom, or schar mitzvah mitzvah in the traditional understanding of the verse.
Contrary to that, Chassidus Chabad very much emphasizes the avoda that we do here in this world as an end-goal in and of itself. So, obviously, everyone will agree that that is our purpose, and other groups will hold that to be an ikkar. The question is in the concept behind it, what is the significance of this avoda. So in a sense, yes, Chassidus Chabad will often circle around this world as an ikkar more-so than other groups might, but I still don’t think that THAT is what is the one thing unique about Chabad that sets it different than other groups.
Regarding Polish Chassidim, of course you are correct, and I attempted at some point in my previous comment to so much as hint at that, but as you say this isn’t the place for such an arichus…
I wrote the above in a bit of a hurry and without editing so I realize some of it may be a tiny bit difficult to understand what I’m getting at…I’ll be happy to clarify upon request.
This is a very deep question that has several aspects to it, and can branch out to very many sub-topics if taken in the right direction.
Taken in the wrong direction–and you can bet that it will on these forums, since there are both people who are bent on provocatively stating outright that Chabad is the best etc. etc. better than all the others etc. etc., and people who are imbued with hatred towards Chabad, as I say you can bet that on these forums it may very well be taken in the wrong direction–it will very quickly (probably about a third down of page one all the way to page 24) spiral into an endless bickering about how Chabad is kofrim, changing minhagim, egotistical, but all the same do good things for the benefit of klal Yisroel…etc….etc…etc…
It really pains me that literally thousands of volumes of very deep knowledge have been boiled down to whether Chabadniks sleep in the Sukkah (a minhag they have kept for hundreds of years, alongside prominent Litvisher figures who had nothing to say of the matter) and whether they eat before davening or not (something which has a very clear heter in the Alter Rebbe’s Shulchan Aruch–and you can see his sources there). Of course I’m going to be required to provide sources, be questioned on what I mentioned, but I have no intention of starting any arguments here, just for the record, so don’t anybody expect any responses on these issues.
Regarding what you ask…The Lubavitcher Rebbe himself asked the Previous Rebbe of Chabad what are the differences between Chabad Chassidus and Polish-Galician style Chassidus (so you see how complex it is, here is a question only with the differences among other Chassidim, and you’re asking about general Judaism!). The response was a very beautiful one, printed in his letters and translated and collected in English in a series titled “Branches of the Chassidic Menorah” by Sichos in English publication (two volume series).
As an introduction, the Previous Rebbe clearly states that he will not respond to the differences between them since (and I am paraphrasing from memory) we don’t have tools large enough to measure these two mountains against each other. As such, he proceeds to explain what made Chabad Chassidus unique, rather than discussing it in contrast against other groups, since we want to preserve and be proud of what we have, and there is no need to compare to others.
This, I think, is a very proper approach. What Chabad Chassidus, then, might have which others don’t (and this is really off the top of me head just so I go away actually having answered your question) is a very practical school of thought which allows one to appreciate and mamash grasp (intellectually) spiritual concepts in a way which ACTUALLY changes one’s life, whether in avodas hamiddos, in our Torah learning, and..well our entire avoda in general.
In Israel they’re anywhere between 60 shekel and 120. I recall even hearing rumors of 150 for a kilo but not likely…
I was considering starting a thread sharing chidushim that Chassidus Chabad has to offer…but that would only work if there was a way to seriously manage it, and since I have no control over who can post etc. I don’t think it’ll happen. Because anyone can easily start mentioning moshiach nonsense and there we go again…
I use Head & Shoulders, as it’s the only thing that keeps the dandruff away for me…and believe me I’ve tried plenty! So in my case there’s a pretty serious nafka mina between shampoo and body wash.
To chossid and others trying to be “chassidim” here:
Have you seen the (handwritten) letter of the Rebbe (ZATZAL) stating that it is irrelevant what the name of Mashiach is? (And others similar?). And those times he refused to go out to the Lag Baomer parade because the “flaggers” of the day were there?
And do you realize that no one of the Chassidim of the Rebbe EVER got into such nonsensical, utterly pointless bickering to prove that “my Rebbe is better than your Rebbe!”. The fact is that the only thing that comes of it is that, thanks to fires like the one you fuel here, the world at large can’t appreciate the depth behind the Rebbe’s chidushei Torah–which is the only thing the Rebbe ever really cared about in the first place, is that people should learn Torah and “toil” in it–because it’s fogged up as a result of said extremists who have nothing bettrr to do than make Lubavitch sound like a bunch of children.
You won’t see the serious Chassidim ever getting into such childish nonsense, I promise you that. So for the general population of YWN reading these Chabad-related threads, just realize that no one on here speaks for Chabad, no one here represents Chabad’s views, and certainly no one here has the authority to do make the statements that were made (whether from one’s mashpia, I am certain, or from an actual Chabad authority, i.e. Hagaon Hachassid R’ Yoel Kahn shlit”a, Harav Krinsky shlit”a; R’ Kotlarsky, etc. etc. etc…
And just for the record, back at page 2 of this thread I had a post ready to send, but thanks to Netspark didn’t go through (unfortunately). I copied it (since I wrote it on my phone) just in case, so here it is:
“Great. Another Chabad thread. Let me go through exactly what’s going to happen now: someone is going to mention another issue they have with Chabad, then the Chabadskers on the site will gather to try and defend the said points, and al haderech bring up other points which will further be disputed and then it will explode into a full-on argument about Chabad and their issues. So since we already know what’s going to happen I suggest we stop right now….”
A nice example of the types of convos we should be having… Discussing actual sources rather than opinionated nonsense…
Since you care to deferentiate between Chabad and Chabadniks, please kindly share with me what of Chabad philosophy (not Chabadniks) you do not like?
I honestly want to know what is bad about it — as far as I’m concerned it is purely based on Torah. And especially coming from someone who is “very familiar” with it!! (I mean, I can tell you that most Chabadniks aren’t even VERY familiar with Chabad philosophy, so hearing of someone who is CRITICAL of Chabad and who is knowledgeable is news to me!)
In fact, how about this: to show you how sincere I am in my purr interest as to what you have to say, I bli neder take upon myself to not respond to your comments on the matter unless you (not anyone else) request or allow me to. How’s that??
I just remembered, another book which might be of interest to several forumers here…
This is back from the days of the old Misnagdim. One Chossid of the Tzemach Tzedek (and I think he was the chossid all the way back to the Alter Rebbe, if I’m not mistaken) who was challenged by a very serious Talmid Chochom who was a misnaged, regarding several questions on Chassidim. One of the main questions was one of the change of Minhagim.
Well, what ensued was a sort of debate which was printed in a book in recent years called “Vikucha Rabba” ויכוחה רבה, which is fairly in-depth, on the matter…
I use Netspark for Android, which is on the one hand excellent for the purposes it is built for, but on the other hand can get slightly buggy at times. It works with a VPN, which is a huge advantage, I think, over others…and I use the Chabad beis din as admins so it keeps the device fairly choked up to the minimum (with the extended plan still offering plenty to work with). I found a loophole that works on my phone, and they fixed it for a while but recently they removed the fix, which is annoying but I won’t make a fuss about it again…
I was seriously considering getting the version of Gentech for Android phones which basically erases all of your apps except for a few pre-selected ones that are essential, but they don’t include essential apps for Israel, and therefore I can’t do with it.
On my PC I have Gentech, which is excellent and had several advantages, with one weakness (in my opinion) being that it doesn’t use VPN like Netspark does (which means that it is open to loopholes…). But it does the job wonderfully, all in all.
I used K9 for a while, but found that it is ridiculously easy to bypass. I have heard in the passed of a very expensive, yet absolutely top-of-the-line filter, which works better than even Rimon (which isn’t enough to stop the absolute tech-savy obsessive from bypassing). There was this site which went through every single possible loophole for a filter, and why they, as professionals, were able to develop a filter which is indestructible.
Anyways, because of its price I quickly forgot about it…December 11, 2018 1:38 am at 1:38 am in reply to: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us! #1641252
Two hundred + years of maamarim, sichos, extraordinarily deep divrei & chidushei Torah, all in the trash by the hands of a handful of individuals who claim to be representatives of these teachings of Chabad Chassidus…
CS: If you had any sense to you, and any respect to the Rebbe, you would stop now. Rather than turning not only the responders here but also every reader on this site against the Rebbe, you should perhaps consider publicizing some of the Rebbe’s unique chidushim on Torah. Or is all this babble about mashiach and nasi hador all you know? I mean seriously, over two hundred years of deep wisdom and it comes down to “My Rebbe is better than your Rebbe!”?!?!?!?! Just stop, it’s absolutely horrible every time I see that this thread is continuing (though I do not waste my time reading this lashon hara, believe me).
It’s absolutely abhorrent, and reminds me of that quote from Tanya…taking the King’s head… (al derech mashal, of course).
The Rebbe stood for so many good things, and here people like you are hanging on to some made-up nonsense with no source whatsoever. Just stop!
I didn’t even bother reading the rest of this thread, beyond the original question. I’ll try and answer, as one who has immersed relatively deep in Chabad teachings over the course of a number of years.
I will just say one disclaimer: there have been shifts in focus over the years. Every three years in the history of Chabad Chassidus, the target/goal attained a new depth. For instance, the three generations before the last Rebbe ZY”A, the emphasis was on Kabbalas Ol. Then the last generation was about a deeper level of Mesirus Nefesh.
You ask for only a couple of sentences, but it is VERY difficult to mention in so few words concepts which heavily rely on jargon — in other words, predefined, and previously explained topics and concepts which build up to a more essential theme. But I guess I’ll have a go at it, though I am not at all an official voice in Chabad teachings today (some notable examples of official voices, so to speak, might be Manis Friedman, YY Jacobson, YY Gurevitch, Yitzchak Goldberg, and of COURSE R’ Yoel Kahn and R’ Gopin, the latter two at the top of the list). People study these Chassidim’s teachings (obviously there are many more, but these are some who I am acquainted with personally) for many years before really grasping the quintessential objective of Chabad, and on the contrary there are many who can learn for years without really grasping anything but what their own imagination compels…
So here goes! (I’ll purposely try and avoid the jargon I mentioned above)
I would succinctly summarize the main goal of Chabad Lubavitch, that through the learning and deep understanding (and connection to) the study of Chassidus, the entire Earth should have an awareness of a superior, divine aspiration and ambition originating from a Superior Being (G-d), to be a relevant and inseparable part of physical life within it. This awareness should be so manifest in our conscience that it will affect us to practical actions to enact and make practical this ambition of G-d, in such a manner that it will become more important to us than any part of our own selves. (Or, to end in another fashion: it will become so important to us, that it will reach our inner core, at such a level that the only thing that really matters is to make this happen).
I would succinctly summarize the philosophy of Chabad, that at the very basic core of all existence is a simple unity which connects us to our Creator, Who in turn desires in us an intimate relationship, and of us to reveal this unity in every single aspect of our lives. This in turn inundates every aspect of every individual’s life with deep meaning, all as a result of indulging fully in the teachings that Chabad’s Chassidus has to offer, in a manner of TRUE understanding and connectionNovember 21, 2018 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm in reply to: Lev Tahor and other frum cults- and don’t misunderstand me #1628660
It’s just too bad that all the real Lubavitchers aren’t here to defend themselves, since they don’t have smartphones (nor internet, the majority of them), and those that do certainly don’t use them to browse such nonsensical forums as this one…
The real Lubavitchers are busy discussing Tosfos and what the Maharsha is mechadesh in the sugiya etc etc…
So a few silly people who call themselves Lubavitcher are attempting to defend a movement they themselves hardly belong to, and the rest of you are using their fabricated nonsense as sort of ground for your spewing of hate against a movement you are hardly truly familiar with?!
Case in point: would the Lubavitchers here tell me the difference between Nacha yud daled and Nacha caf hei?
That one was easy… How about the vort of Pada Beshalom chaf vav?
Which is higher, David Avdi, or Yom Hasheini?
For the non Lubavitchers, I can personally meet you up with as many Lubavitchers as you have acquaintances who can teach you a thing or two on Torah learning, some of whom are baki in Gemara-Rashi-Tosfos by heart (literally you can give them a page number and they’ll explain the Tosfos in great depth as though they had just come out of a shiyur), Beis Yosef, Taz, Magen Avraham, Shulchan Aruch (again I emphasise, by heart), and THEN Shulchan Aruch HaRav.
Yes, some I know are baki in Mishna Brura as well, and I know of some who became rabbis of Sfardi shuls, so they began learning R’ Ovadya’s work as well.
And so on and so on…. Go look for those who represent Lubavitch/Chabad not by arguing childishly online, but who are so busy in either shlichus or Torah study that they have no time nor any good reason to do otherwise.
Very nice thread! Are additions from others welcome?October 21, 2018 11:53 am at 11:53 am in reply to: Looking to sell a between 100-250 used Excellent condition seforim #1607816
I’m sorry, I really wasn’t clear.
I meant that this guy has no clear identity. If anyone is interested in what he’s selling, they’ll surely contact him. Many people will have no issue exchanging personal contact info in order to make a purchase (phone number, email, etc.), and consequently may even go as far as to send him money in the hopes of receiving the promised goods.
I really don’t intend to jump to conclusions, only that it is a fairly common thing that people online will do all of the above as a sham to get naive buyers’ $$$. That’s all I’m saying…October 21, 2018 7:20 am at 7:20 am in reply to: Looking to sell a between 100-250 used Excellent condition seforim #1607665
Has no one thus far made note of the fact that a user whose username is made up of random numbers and letters (suspicious), with *no* other posts prior to this one (very suspicious), is asking if anyone wants to carry out a monetary transaction online (extremely suspicious), especially in a way which warrants the exchange of private details (i.e. in order to find out more about what he’s selling)(red flags abound!)???