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  • in reply to: Tuition: Are We Paying Enough? #1886836
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    Op written by a rebbe who never paid tuition.

    in reply to: Switching sides #1886120
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    Jackk: Islam is not a race. Islam is a religion and not a race.

    You may want to point to those statements and call trump a bigot (I don’t think he is one) but those statements are not evidence of racism.

    In fact, I never heard trump say a racist thing and accusations that he is a racist are simply not supported by any evidence.

    in reply to: The black hat. #1882396
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    Sam klein: black hats can be made of felt or wool. Within felt there is beaver felt, rabbit and for the truly discerning, mink. A good rabbit fur felt costs at least 100, probably closer to 150. A good beaver is twice that and a good mink is twice that. If you want a brand name, expect to pay for it, like everything else.

    The difference between one type and the other type is pretty visible to the naked eye and after six months the wool felt will not look anywhere near as nice as a fur felt. A beaver felt will look new for 25 years.

    the best prices and selection are at stores that cater to the jewish markets because the consumer is usually a lot more knowledgeable.

    A secret of mine: if you really know the hat market, buy on ebay. even second hand. huge savings.

    in reply to: systematic/institutional racism is a myth #1881132
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    stop and frisk.

    in reply to: Summer Camps in a Pandemic?! #1876915
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    Dear mklyb: this virus was never a threat to young people (and the fear mongering  (edited) you’ve been watching over the past few months which highlight exceptional cases in young people is just feeding you fiction premised on statistical nullities). An environment where young people are detached from those as risk and placed in their own protected bubble is the ideal way to move forward safely making sleepaway camps much safer than day camps.

    in reply to: Straw Borsalino hats? #1875254
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    takahmamash: not exactly. traditionally it was may 15 to sep 15. i suggest you study about the straw hat riots of 1922. fascinating stuff.

    in reply to: What Did I do?! #1872979
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    Joseph: the conflicting data would make more sense if we explain that most of the felonies the blacks are convicted of are drug offenses and not violent.

    By1212: amalek and the 70 umot are nationalities not race. I actually do not know what the word race actually means.

    in reply to: What Did I do?! #1872832
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    Joseph: I suppose if a new 600,000 are added to the figure each year that number may make sense but that seems highly unlikely. Or maybe a large number of felonies were non violent? צ”ע

    I was using milhouse figure that half of violent crimes are committed by blacks then I worked backwards and that’s what I got. 37.2 million blacks, 600,000 criminals.

    My instinct tells me that the percentage of blacks who commit violent crimes is well below 10% for the little my instinct is worth.

    in reply to: What Did I do?! #1872799
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    joseph: i just punched in the numbers. Could be they are inaccurate and its possible my math is off. Where did I go wrong?

    Another thought I had after I wrote that post, there is a concept in Halacha called Miut Hamatzui or significant minority. The most stringent opinion I have seen (like R’ Vaye’s) is that Miut Hamatzui is 10%. Anything less is halachacly insignificant.

    in reply to: What Did I do?! #1872692
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    Milhouse: There were 1.2 mm violent crimes in the US in 2018 (the last year I found stats on). Lets say 600,000 of those were committed by blacks. Lets further assume that each crime committed by a black person was committed by a different person. That means in 2018, 600,000 blacks committed violent crimes. There was a population of 37.2 million blacks in the US in 2018. So that means that 1.6% of the black population was criminally violent in 2018. Does that mean, then, that it justifiable to assume that when you run into a stam black person you have a statistical reason to suspect he MAY be a violent criminal? Or is a person who believes that 98.4% of a race should be tainted with the wrongs of 1.6% inherently a racist?

    in reply to: Say “NO” To Trump’s Peace Plan #1869379
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    The little I know: I don’t think you’re reading my posts. I know there are many reasons to be against an Arab state. I can give you a few dozen more reasons that you missed. But the right never offers any alternative. Ok, you don’t like the two state solution. Fine. So what is the plan? The right has never pushed a different idea.

    in reply to: Defunding Police #1869292
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    Eliminating local police will only make police brutality a bigger problem because the void will be filled by county or state police. Local police tend to hire police officers from the local area and tend to engage in community policing (where officers get to know their beat and become a part of that community). If you bring in officers who are foreign to the community (like state and county), you will increase the likelihood of police brutality.

    in reply to: Say “NO” To Trump’s Peace Plan #1869239
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    the little i know: my point was not that the arabs need to stay and have a vote – it is that if they stay, they get to vote – even if that means that voting will result in a state that is totally different from the one that exists now (or as you describe it, they are destroying the state).

    Let us pretend for a moment that a 95% majority of Israeli Jews woke up tomorrow and decided that they wanted to change the law in Israel and they elect leaders that pass a law that effectively razes the Kotel to the ground r”l and in its place, builds a giant mosque. Would you then say that Israeli Jews no longer have the right to vote?

    My point is that in a democracy, so long as you work through the legal channels, the law is supposed to reflect the will of the voters. The fact that the Arabs’ will is far different from yours cannot be the only reason they do not get to vote. At least not ethically.

    So you need to either give them a vote (and let them destroy your country), give them a state of their own or figure out a way for them to vote somewhere else. And that may even be true of the Israeli Arabs.

    The only solution ever seriously considered in Israel is giving them a state. That is not something I decided, that is a simple fact. So if that is your only option then best better do it on Trump’s terms before you will have to do it on Ahmad Tibi’s terms.

    in reply to: Say “NO” To Trump’s Peace Plan #1869147
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    joseph: the status quo is unfair to the Arabs. We have evolved as a society to a point where it is almost universally agreed upon that people should be able to chart their own government by way of vote. This is a basic human right. We do not believe that anyone should not have the right to vote and “Palestinians” do not have that right. That’s not fair. The Arabs should be able to vote for their government just like any other free person. If someone subscribes to the view that they must remain in the land then they must be given a vote.

    in reply to: Empirical data: Does systemic racism exist? #1869107
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    I am not familiar with the studies you mentioned but I would venture that systematic bias, assuming it exists, varies in degree from place to place. If one study finds systematic bias in a small town in Georgia, another may tell you it doesn’t exist in Queens.

    As for Chanaya, in my professional career I have found that there is most certainly a strong anti-frum, systematic bias, most often committed by the frei jews, r”l.

    in reply to: Say “NO” To Trump’s Peace Plan #1869093
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    Defend Chabad: is there an alternative plan being discussed or proposed? As far as I can tell, the only plan anyone in power ever tried to implement is the two-state solution. The only difference between the different politicians from the left and the right are the borders. The left wants to give away more and right less.

    Every time anyone on the right proposed an alternative idea – transfer (Rabbi Kahane), make them Jordanians (Avigdor Lieberman), make them Israelis (Yoram Ettinger); the idea is immediately quashed and everyone returned to the two state solution.

    So if the only game in town is the two state solution you may as well get yours while the getting is good.

    in reply to: No evidence it was racially motivated. #1867859
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    Schnitzel bigot: I’m not sure everyone protesting is doing so to promote radical socialism although many are. There are vile people everywhere looking to hijack everything popular for their own cause and the vile among the socialists have best perfected the art.

    I am basically referring to some of the things mentioned in this thread by some of the other posters – a system which unfairly and disproportionately exposes the black community to law enforcement. The system is rigged so that two individuals who lead the same exact lives, one a person of color and one not, the person of color will have to deal with law enforcement 10 times more than the other person.

    I also love your username.

    in reply to: No evidence it was racially motivated. #1867487
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    someone in monsey: are you aware of the fact that you can click on a person’s name and see all that person’s prior posts and how long they have been registered with YWN?

    in reply to: No evidence it was racially motivated. #1867461
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    This is both about race and not about race.

    The underlying problem is police brutality. The OP poo-poos its extent but it is something that happens much too often and quite frankly – we have all had enough of it. A few in the Jewish community have not been paying to this problem the same way they did not pay attention to prison/justice reform problem until it bit a few of us in the rear but the fact is, police brutality is a huge problem in America. How long are Americans going to turn a blind eye to police brutality as it gets worse and worse every year? We have become numb to the news but if you paid attention there was a story of police brutality every day. Yes, police brutality is color blind and (a small minority but still) too many cops are brutal towards everyone, equally and so we should all be protesting against it.

    But this is also about race. Even though there is no reason to believe that this violent police officer was motivated by racial hatred (or that police brutality, in general is motivated by racial hatred) the facts are clear that the black community bears the overwhelming brunt of police brutality. Most of the victims of police brutality are people of color because those communities have greater exposure to police interaction. The more often a community is exposed to the police, the greater the likelihood someone in that community will fall into the hands of the minority of police officers who are not necessarily racist but violent and become a victim of police brutality.

    So why does the black community have a much greater exposure to the police? There are a myriad of reasons (many of which are the fault of black communities and individuals in those communities and many which are not) BUT systematic racism, in my view, certainly plays a big, big role in many parts of this country. And so that needs to change, too.

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    The only logical explanation I can think of for why Arizona, Florida and Israel ended up with such a different result even though thousands upon thousands of NYers traveled to those three locations on a regular basis in February and March of this year (when the virus was in full gear and spreading like wildfire in NY) is the sun.

    in reply to: Barclays – Siyum HaShas #1818542
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    they had their own program which included its own tefilla, tehillim, siyumim (kids and shas) dancing and some speakers. a good chunk of the speeches from metlife was simulcast into barclays.

    in reply to: Barclays – Siyum HaShas #1817010
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    joseph: it was better because Barclays had the rosh yeshiva of mir say the kaddish (even though he isnt wealthy). Also the dancing was much better than MetLife because it included the whole crowd on the floor of the arena. Downside: the air conditioning was pumping (maybe they wanted Barclays to feel like its MetLife) and it was too cold. another downside: the rebbe who read tehillim made a complete mockery of it.

    in reply to: Is it better to be Chassidish or Litvish? #1803352
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    sorry for the hijack post.

    Joseph: the gemoro in perek chelek sanhedrin teach that when mashiach come all disabilities/illnesses – even the minor ones – will be removed from those who arise. It is a safe assumption that the maladies that befall all of us as we get older will also be removed. So is it really emes what you say?

    in reply to: If There Would be a Jewish Music Hall of Fame.. #1795594
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    Mine. By genre, three per category:

    Folk: Dveikus, Rabbi’s Sons, Carlebach
    EuroPop: MBD, Shweky, Avrohom Fried
    Alternative: Karduner, Eitan Katz, Chaim Dovid
    Choir: Miami Boys, YBC, Kinderlach
    RockPop: Lipa, Yitzchak Fuchs, Yehuda!
    Music Writers: Debbie Friedman, Moshe Mona Rosenblum, Yishai Lapidot
    Akapella: AKA Pella, Maccabeats, 613
    Mizrahi: Moshe Habusha, Yechiel Nahari, Moshe Eliyahu
    Reggaeton: Gad Elbaz, Mordechai Shapiro, Zusha

    in reply to: Following Halacha #1794567
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    to the OP, a simple piece of advice: look into your heart and be honest with yourself. If you can then state with certainty that (1) you have no ill will – at all – towards the person you are talking to and (2) the reason you are talking to that person is only to help HIM and for no other reason, at all – then you can go ahead and Hochayach Tochiyach.

    in reply to: What are any issues with serving a role in Conservative Shule? #1764578
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    I will try to address the OP: the reason is rooted in the dogfight between the Orthodox and Conservative which took place mostly in the 1940s and 1950s. In that decade, there was a real fight for the soul of the American Jew. Already then, there was a recognition that Reform Judaism was too far removed to be called Jewish and it was a real fight between Orthodox and Conservative for title as leaders of American Judaism. The fight on the Orthodox side was waged mostly by the modern Orthodoxy (as more right winged branches of Orthodoxy was neither threatened by Conservative nor large enough to matter) and YU versus JTS was fought in weekly sermons by the likes of Rabbi Norman Lamm and other Modern Orthodox pulpit Rabbis. JTS and YU fought over Rabbis and students alike and YU/Orthodoxy was losing. Unfortunately, the Conservative movement was slaughtering and shul after shul switched from Orthodox to Conservative. Most American Jews believed then that switching from Orthodox to Conservative still allowed you to remain within the umbrella of the Jewish people while many orthodox Jewish Rabbis prophetically envisioned that Conservative Judaism was going to turn out to be a giant farce that was going to lead to an abandonment of Halacha, intermarriage and soon thereafter the total destruction of the Jewish people in America. A line had to be drawn. As part of this war, YU decreed that any Rabbi receiving ordination in its Yeshiva who takes a job at a Conservative shul (where all the jobs were) is automatically stripped of his ordination. Recognizing that need to essentially place Conservative in complete cherem and niddui in order to save American Judaism, the Orthodox world agreed to take the harshest action against even the most innocent of Rabbis like Rabbis Shaul Lieberman, Louis Finkelstein and Jose Fauer – who were Orthodox but took jobs at JTS. They let it be known that you can be Jewish or Conservative but not both. They declared that just like Reformed was considered by all – not really Jewish – so too was Conservative. If not for those actions, who know how many other countless Jewish lives would have been lost to the fraud that Conservative Judaism turned out to be? It may have been harsh – especially to those like Rabbis Liberman, Finklestein and Fauer but, in my view, it was the only way to preserve what was not already lost.

    in reply to: Are sfardim from the 10 shvatim #1745098
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    joseph: you are confusing yazidi people with the city in iran called yazd. two different things.

    in reply to: Are sfardim from the 10 shvatim #1744108
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    These Yabia Omer v Joseph/Ashkenazim threads are very entertaining but probably a terrible chillul hashem and gross violation of sinas chinum. For all of the differences, it still amazes me how much we are the same despite having been separated from one another for so long.

    in reply to: Are you makpid on ע ? #1742565
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    Neville: I agree with your statement as a whole but is there really a “sfaradi” havara? Iraqis and Syrians are close to one another but not the same; Moroccans and Tunisians are very different from Iraqis and Syrians, Iranian, Bukharian and Afghani pronunciations are similar to one another but are very different from the rest, etc.

    Having studied the subject for a bit, it seems to me (for the little that its worth) that Iraqi/Baghdadi is the most authentic and almost everyone else stands equal-distanced, in one form or another, from the Iraqi pronunciation (except the chassishe pronunciation which stands very distant from Iraqi).

    in reply to: Are you makpid on ע ? #1741599
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    Akuperman: spoken Hebrew is one thing and davening is another thing. I am sure you’re familiar with this from

    אין מורידין לפני התיבה לא אנשי בית שאן ולא אנשי בית חיפה ולא אנשי טבעונין מפני שקורין לאלפין עיינין ולעיינין אלפין

    in reply to: How did Chabad change from being Anti Zionist to Pro #1728592
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    charliehall: they were decorations and that is not denigrating to them at all. It denigrates the fools who had sages at their disposal and instead of using them for their wisdom and leadership, used them as decorations.

    in reply to: How did Chabad change from being Anti Zionist to Pro #1728577
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    As to Rav Chaim’s quote, I am sure the Zionists are greatly disappointed that the state did not take on the values of the movement. This is largely due to the makeup of the people of the state and the values they embraced (and which ones they rejected).

    in reply to: How did Chabad change from being Anti Zionist to Pro #1728576
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    Neville/Hakatan: My definition of zionism is an organization formed in 1897 by Europeans and for Europeans that accepted dues and had meetings and held conferences and had a charter and a structural hierarchy and for which there are recorded minutes and whose only stated goal was to create a state. That Zionism does not actually exist any more. Once the state was created, that organization no longer served any purpose. It was replaced by the State which is made of citizens and democratically elected leaders, an overwhelming majority of which were either not invited to be zionists (because they were not european) or were invited but rejected the invitation.

    in reply to: How did Chabad change from being Anti Zionist to Pro #1728521
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    Hakatan:

    Zionism was a 1800s European movement whose dedicated mission was to create a state for its followers. Once the state of Israel was created, the Zionist mission, by definition ended. What the Zionists created was a Jewish, democratic state called Israel which the Zionists tried to control (and still try to control) but whose fate ultimately lies in the citizens.

    When certain citizens of the state, i.e., non-European Jews and other non-Zionist Jews – use both the democratic process and extra-governmental public programs (Yeshivas, Kiruv) to move the state and its citizens towards a Torah life they lessen the influence of Zionists and their unstated goal to create a new, non-religious Judaism. There is no reason (other than this concept that we are not permitted to anger non-Jews – a laughably silly concept, in my view) why anti-Zionists cannot emulate the non-Zionists in this regard and Chabad so chooses.

    charliehall: it is very naive to deny that the movement, as a whole, was rooted in anti-religion sentiment. They may have had religious people as decorations but the Zionists believed that the religious voice will be quashed and eliminated – something that never happened. If you need further evidence of this I suggest you read Shimon Peres’ autobiography. He makes it pretty clear.

    in reply to: How did Chabad change from being Anti Zionist to Pro #1728278
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    The answer to op is quite simple: unlike everyone else who remains beholden to politics, Chabad (in this arena) strove for emes. They recognized that the zionists were wicked people and so they were anti. they also realized that after the creation of the state, zionism ended and was replaced by a sovereign, democratic, Jewish state that will be what WE make it and decided to work hard to make it a place of Torah and Emes. BH, they were widely successful while the pro and anti Zionist remained stuck in the past.

    in reply to: Simcha: Boy or girl’s name? #1714869
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    joseph: no they cant because ein me’arvin simcha besimcha!

    in reply to: Question for Working Men #1676012
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    Why can’t you have a full time job and also finish shas?

    in reply to: Photos & Shidduchim – Appropriate Or Not?🖼️🤵👰 #1676000
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    וחי השם יתברך כי הכת הזה מאבדים הדרת התורה ומאפילים זהרה, ומשימים תורת ה’ בהיפך המכוון בה. לפי שהשם יתברך אמר בתורה התמימה “אשר ישמעון את כל החוקים האלה ואמרו רק עם חכם ונבון הגוי הגדול הזה”, והכת הזאת מספרים משפטי דברי החכמים ז”ל מה שכששומעים אותו שאר האומות, אומרים “רק עם סכל ונבל הגוי הקטן הזה”

    in reply to: Photos & Shidduchim – Appropriate Or Not?🖼️🤵👰 #1675442
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    How on Earth are you supposed to know whether or not you will be willing to marry someone without knowing what that person looks like? Seems to me that receiving a picture prevents an unnecessary waste of resources.

    in reply to: Is it healthy for yehiva bochurim to learn from a artscroll? #1674057
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    Z-dad: I think you’re missing the point. Obviously, ArtScroll has an important role to play in the learning of Gemara in general. The question posed was whether a student developing his skills should ever use an ArtScroll. The obvious danger that this boy will never develop those skills is obvious. More than that, like akuperma stated, learning from ArtScroll even occasionally, by someone who has not yet developed the skills can impart misunderstandings about Gemara that will be very hard to reverse.

    in reply to: Is there a word in davening that you always mispronounced? #1622154
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    Here are the most egregious ones I find most often (other than the first pasuk of k”sh as stated above):

    Asher Baranu Lichvodo (see midwesterner above) (changes meaning from who created us to who we created)
    Lishnei Ufur (as opposed to Lisheinei Ufur) in the second bruchu (changes from sleepers in the dust to two pieces of dust)
    Hodoo al Eretz Veshumayim as opposed to Hoddo al eretz veshumayim (in psukei dezimra) (changes from his glory is over the heaven and earth to praise for heaven and earth)
    Ki Lo CHAlu rachamecha instead of Ki Lo chaLU rachamecha (in modim) (changes meaning from because your mercy never ends to because your mercy never takes effect)

    in reply to: who is "The Gadol Haddar" of America #1615749
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    Zs dad: are you sure that all of the rabbis in great neck are part of the vaad of queens? the website for the vaad appears to list all its member shuls and lists none in great neck (although i did find something that showed that the rabbi of young israel in great neck was once a president of the vaad). aren’t most jewish institutions in great neck persian?

    the vaad website also only lists one bukharian shul in queens. is there only one bukharian shul in queens? are there no other sefaradic shuls in queens? i thought that queens had a very large bukharian jewish community.

    considering the fact that queens has such a large bukharian community and that great neck’s persian community far out numbers the non-persian community i am not sure why the vaad of queens is at all relevant to this discussion.

    in reply to: Reformed Are Jews? #1553625
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    I love all people Jews and not Jews. I also love the reformed but let’s stop pretending that they are Jewish. They are Jewish only in their own minds. I suggest everyone read the article by the reformed rabbi Clifford Librach in response to the speech by Michael chabon.

    in reply to: Anti Semitic topic in foxnews.com #1537870
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    The “community” needs to find a new spokesman as the person they sent for the Fox News story was a foolish embarrassment. I am sure that the editing made him look worse but a good spokesperson understands that editing can be harmful and takes measures to account for it.

    in reply to: Is recreational cannabis muttar? #1447558
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    to address the OP:

    Cannabis is mentioned throughout the gemara, rishonim and achronim. The gemara menachos 15b, for example:
    דתנן
    היתה שדהו זרועה קנבוס ולוף לא יהא זורע על גביהם שהן עושות לשלש שנים

    The Shulchan Aruch says to beautify the shabbos candles use a wick made of cannabis (although he probably meant hemp).

    There is also discussion in the rishonim about using cannabis for skhakh.

    All of the above most probably point to hemp being used but was cannabis used the way it is today?

    There are some suggestions that yes.

    The late achronim debate whether it is kitniyos. The Radbaz, when describing uses of cannabis in relation to kilyaim laws says its used for hemp and also gives a person simcha.

    The Rambam talks about cannabis as it relates to kilayim but in his medical writings writes extensively above using it for medicinal purposes.

    Rav Moshe, of course, assured it in Yoreh Deah 3:35 for dina demalchusa and also all the reasons given in the comments above.

    in reply to: Rav Avigdor Miller on Satmerers and Lubavitchers Holding Hands #1416054
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    “The only question is, what nussach will they daven? Nussach S’fard, or Nussach Ashkenaz?”

    That’s rich! Why aren’t Nussach Ari (which is what chabad uses), Nussach Teiman, Nussach Morocco, etc. options?

    And why can we not retain different styles of prayer anyway? I.e., instead of looking at them as all bad, why can’t we view the, as all good?

    Also not sure why the Rav zt”l thinks that the default will be the Anshe Knesses original. One can argue that the Yemois Hamoshiach will be an Oilam where the Nistar becomes Nigleh and so that Ari revisions will be more appropriate for such a world.

    In any case, some portions, i.e. Lamalshinim, will no longer be applicable. So we may switch to the original and redact that prayer, but not because anyone did anything wrong all this time.

    in reply to: COLLECTION AGENCY NIGHTMARE PLEASE HELP!! #1408995
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    Yaakov: one thing i can tell, if you are dealing with a NY purchase, under NY General Construction Law § 20, the day of the purchase is not included in the computation:

    “The proper method when computing time periods is to exclude the day of the event and to include the last day up to midnight of that day.” Bacalokonstantis v. Nichols, 141 A.D.2d 482, 484, 529 N.Y.S.2d 111, 113 (2d Dept. 1988) (citing New York General Construction Law § 20); accord, e.g., Austrian Lance & Stewart, P.C. v. Rockefeller Ctr., Inc., 163 A.D.2d 125, 130, 558 N.Y.S.2d 521, 525 (1st Dep’t 1990) (where period for tenant to cure default was “denoted in days rather than hours,” period ran until midnight on the last day designated for the cure) (citing New York General Construction Law § 20); Antine v. City of New York, 14 Misc. 3d 161, 172-73, 830 N.Y.S.2d 430, 439 (Sup. Ct. N.Y. Co. 2006); Alvarez v. Warden, 178 Misc. 2d 254, 255, 680 N.Y.S.2d 153, 154 (Sup. Ct. Bronx Co. 1998) Union Mutual Life Ins. Co. v. Kevie, 17 A.D.2d 109, 110, 232 N.Y.S.2d 678, 679 (1st Dep’t 1962), aff’d, 13 N.Y.2d 971, 194 N.E.2d 686, 244 N.Y.S.2d 777 (1963).

    So if you had, lets say, 10 days to return, you get 10 days starting the day after the purchase. Other states have similar laws.

    in reply to: Is A Jew Permitted To Celebrate Halloween? #1398912
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    Gaon,

    I am afraid you may be confusing two different issues. The first, which is what the S”A you cite is discussing, is giving gifts to a Nochri around Yom Eidum.

    A totally different issue is participating in an act of A”Z when that act is part of the way of the worship. With the issue at hand here, the problem is that giving the sweets is part of the act of the A”Z and so the section of the S”A you cite is not relevant. Even if there are many nochrim who no longer understand why they do the specific act of A”Z that they do, it is still prohibited.

    Imagine, if you will, that people still performed Peor to Baal but most of them did it today because it was a fun thing to do and not because they believed Baal was a deity. That is the issue – not stam gifting within three days of Yom Eidam.

    in reply to: Is A Jew Permitted To Celebrate Halloween? #1397699
    besalel
    Participant

    ubiq: you missed my point. Whether it is Muttar is almost irrelevant. There are two dozen “stretching your imagination” reasons it is muttar. What concerns me more is that we are living the curse.

    in reply to: Is A Jew Permitted To Celebrate Halloween? #1397673
    besalel
    Participant

    Joseph,

    Giving candies on Halloween is much worse than giving gifts on Christmas as giving Christmas gifts is prohibited only derabanan because of the oved avoda zara may thank his maker (see, Moed Kuttun 9b) while giving candies on Halloween is actually participating in the ritual of avoda zara which is tantamount r”l to Avoduso Darko Bekakh. See Sanhedrin 63a

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