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The reason that isn’t done is because it doesn’t usually work.
Wishful thinking.
I think they’re competing with donors for money a lot more than they’re competing with each other, unfortunately.
BTW, earlier, someone posted (http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/ou-kashrus-is-not-reliable/page/5#post-603103) that the OU is makpid on frum ownership plus a mashiach temidi. This is not true, they are only makpid on mashgiach temidi. I looked up Le Marais, and the owner is not Jewish.
Who said anything about blaming the OU?
You.
I think the grievance brought up here about products advertised as non-dairy is totally legitimate.
You’re correct that we don’t pasken like that
V’su lo midi, except perhaps to add that they would probably agree here.
I’m not claiming the OU should stop hechshering in these situations. I think you understood my point.
So what are you saying? I apparently did misunderstand your point.
If Oreos went from dairy equipment to dairy, and thousands of people erred because NOTHING changed about the hechsher, would that still be their fault?
Yes, because every time you ask the OU or they post info about Oreos they say it’s subject to change and keep checking back. The OU’s obligation in that scenario, IMO, would be to make sure to announce the forthcoming change a few months in advance.
Bump
Perhaps.
But it is not mandated by any external power, rather a voluntary cooperative effort by a social group of interested parties.
…which individuals have a hard time opting out of.
Look, I’m for this kind of genetic testing (which ultimately does affect the children born), I just don’t think we can decry something because it falls under the category of eugenics without discrimination.
Isn’t Dor Yeshorim a form of eugenics?
Well, then, I’m not voting for you.
Please note: Since I am not a rasha like achashveirosh, I will not be supplying any jewelry.
For some reason, I find it unlikely that you don’t buy jewelry for your wife.
Health, you didn’t answer his question.
All that said, I think the grievance brought up here about products advertised as non-dairy is totally legitimate. Hechshers aren’t provided for non-pareve sandwich bread lest it be eaten with meat. If there’s a concern that people will assume bread to be pareve without regard for the hechsher, how much more so for products that explicitly claim to be non-dairy?
We pasken that that din is only relevant to bread. Don’t make up new gezeiros.
I explained why it’s not a legitmate chashash; you need to check for a hechsher.
Also, most of these products are dairy, and I’m not a fan (see my previous posts) of turning your brain off and blaming the OU.
If you want to cross out the worse NON DAIRY with a Sharpie as soon as you get home, go right ahead.
The words NON DAIRY are government mandated, so the OU can’t tell them to take it off, so I don’t blame them for certifying it.
Popa’s started over 500.
(or quietly check your cell phone)
Don’t.
Your expression is a regret often voiced by women coming to me seeking a divorce.
Which is precisely why it is pretty meaningless.
I’m not sure what my point is either.
Yet, you made it so well.
I thought we were talking about children of divorced people.
It all comes down to pizza at the end.
AFAIK, putting the word Pareve on a product is at the discretion of the packager, not the OU (obviously, only if the product is actually pareve).
You don’t need to see the word pareve to assume a product is pareve.
ZD, you keep on coming up with new chumras. 🙂
How about the ™ (Temidi Mashgichim)?
I’m not as creative.
Lol
I was thinking
Also good for statistical analysis.
perhaps poor folks get divorced and die young. Or getting divorced is a risk factor for growing up poor.
Do you mean and?
Because then getting divorced does cause a shorter life span, albeit with an intermediate step.
The Gemara discusses it (Chagiga 12a).
http://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=13&daf=12&format=pdf
See also Klei Yakar Bereishis 1, 3.
Do all non-dairy pareve items state pareve on them?
Because perhaps children dying at 65 instead of 70 is what caused the parents to get divorced when the kids were 3.
Not sure where you’re going with that.
Hopefully, not too far.
If the underlying issue was a non-crooked nose it could have helped a lot.
That’s not usually the underlying issue.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/looks-in-shidduchim-1#post-603282
ZD, OU policy is that if there is no D or MEAT next to the OU, it’s pareve.
Speed dating wouldn’t help, as it doesn’t address the underlying issues.
NDG, when you exaggerate like that, your point gets lost.
ZD, if the label was misleading, people who are makpid on CY would buy it thinking it was pareve.
Is the ® a good hechsher?
Allowing Milchig (dairy) products that they certify to be labeled NON-DAIRY in big bold letters is a serious offense: “Lifnei Iver Lo Sitain Michshol” (It is forbidden to cause another Jew to sin)!
Someone may consume these during a Fleishig (meat) meal!
The fact that in smaller print they say OU-D or dairy is not a reliable solution.
It should be. NON-DAIRY, no matter how big and bold the letters, does not mean kosher. So the consumer needs to check for a hechsher, and when he finds one, it’s got a D next to it.
Not a valid complaint.
When is this due?
Chumras in bein adam l’chaveiro I’ve noticed (very partial list, in no particular order):
Giving tzedakah when not required al pi din.
Even when required al pi din to give, giving more than the minimum.
Filling up the washing cup for the next person in line.
Inviting needy Shabbos guests.
Giving chizuk to those in need.
Giving (requested/desired) advice to those in need.
Hatzolah.
Bikur Cholim (private, and organizations).
Free tutoring/help learning.
Store owners giving refunds when neither required nor good business policy.
Contractors doing a few small extras for no extra charge (not to gain more business).
Aveilim being mevater on the amud when not required.
Except for the things that you don’t.
Every hechsher has things you won’t and things you will hold of, but the overall reliability of the ones you disparaged is every bit as good as that of the OU.
I do not have my head in the sand no person or organization is perfect
That was precisely my point.
I have plenty of lashon horah to share about the OU on bugs, if you’d like.
To answer your question, I try to stay away from fresh produce which is subject to infestation, including those checked by some of the organizations which you said are good.
I also happen to know that the Vaad of Queens does shmattah checking.
Is there an eiruv where you live?
Why is picking up a hat hotzoah if you don’t carry it four amos?
Do you wear it during davening?
..but against Kof-K and Vaad of Queens is fine.
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10. Jerks who block your driveway
11. Jerks who vandalize your car because you blocked their driveway
12. Jerks who don’t invite coworkers to their simchas
13. Jerks who send shaliach mitzvah gelt without asking first
14. Jerks who turn down (or worse, ignore) friends’ Shabbos invitations
15. Jerks who think everyone else is a jerk.
I would not tell my spouse that I was dating.
That is ridiculous. I know people who work for those hechsherim, and from what I know, they are both excellent.
If you’re so makpid on frum ownership (which is a good idea), call the hechsher and ask.
I didn’t know the OU was makpid on frum ownership.
??? ????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ??????
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/tursa.aspx?a=yd_x6957
I will translate (he previously stated that an avel does not serve as shalich tzibbur on Shabbos and Yom Tov; parentheses are my own):
However, on weekdays, one who knows how to daven (as shaliach tzibbur) should daven, and it is more beneficial (for the deceased parent) than Kaddish Yasom, which was only instituted for minors (to say, since they cannot serve as shaliach tzibbur).
Anyhow, your Kaddish was certainly a benefit for your mother a”h.
Wolf, that’s not what it means. It means that the reason they originally were m’saken (instituted) Kaddish Yasom was for children (and others who for whatever reason cannot daven as shaliach tzibbur).
It actually is a quote from the Rema. My previous quote of and link to the Rema were actually out of context, so I’ll requote and link bl”n when I get a chance. Sorry.
It says non-dairy. So people who look for an OU and then turn their brains off might see the OU and not the d.
I’m not understanding you.
The Rama, or the Nitei Gavriel?
Which words?
What was the purpose for which you said Kaddish?
Which one, what part?
What I see says ???? is ????? ????, so ???? is still ????? (is beneficial).
Chas v’shalom! Saying Kaddish is not a waste!
It’s just that the Kaddeishim in the middle of davening accomplish even more.
??”? ??”? ??”? ?’: ?? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ?????
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/tursa.aspx?a=yd_x6956
See here also: http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=46540&st=&pgnum=387&hilite=
I mean when one is a chiyuv, and one is not, which is what it seemed you were referring to.
Unless there are extenuating circumstances, an avel should daven for the amud where there is no equal or bigger chiyuv.
I would like to see Rubio or Cruz. If it’s Trump vs. Clinton I would probably hold my nose and vote Clinton.